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Running Back

I thought the main purpose of a running back in this offense (that is looking more & more like a passing offense) was to direct attention away from receivers? If so, we should IMO look at total yards by the RB. We don't have to have a 100+yds back. We do need someone who can pick up 3to 4 yards (our avg 3.1 over all I think) on 3rd down & short. Davis & Hollings do not fit that. I am not sure if Wells does either.

All 3 seem to do same thing with Davis as the better receiver. I would not spend a 1st round pick on a back unless no quality Dline available @ our "undetermined" pick. With the need for a receiver diminishing & Marcus Coleman signing a 3 year extension, I would go for DT and address a powerback @ lower rounds. I don't agree with any free agent backs mentioned so far. If Benson or Brown were to drop to 2nd, that would make me consider a trade up. I agree that Bensen fumbles a little too much, I wonder what will occur in NFL?

My prediction: keep Hollings & Davis, let Wells go & draft a huge strong back in 3-5th rounds that can grind out 50 to 70 yds a game and convert a couple 3rd downs per game.
 
Meloy said:
If Benson or Brown were to drop to 2nd, that would make me consider a trade up.
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Benson will not drop to round 2. Brown will be a posibility at around 2. But you would have to trade up.

Take the RB in Round 1, as to make sure we get one, instead of thinking he will fall to us, and then address the other needs, with the 2nd round pick, and 2 3rd round picks.
 
i'll tell ya who is looking very good is Deangilo Williams the RB for memphis fast, very shifty, and breaks a lot of tackles !
 
We have a quick, shifty back.. if we are going to get a RB then we need a work horse. A Jerome Bettis, Jamal Lewis type of back. Someone who can take a beating and get dependable yardage, not big yardage.

Bills/Texan fan.. have you considered that maybe you are a fan of the wrong team? honestly.. I dont think ive see ANYONE make THIS MANY POSTS about a draft that happened 3 years ago. If drafting Portis was such a huge deal.. maybe you need to be a Denver fan.. or if you just think Portis is the greatest thing ever to set foot on turf.. maybe you need to be a Washington fan.. but if ya cant handle the fact that we wanted Gaffney over Portis..then you may not want to be a Texan fan.

If there is one thing ive picked up on this team since its inception.. it is that Character is just as important as ability. If the greatest player in the draft has an attitude that we arent sure about.. we will happily settle for the second best player in the draft with a great attitude.

In a league where parity is so abundant.. a good attitude can make all the difference.


NOW.. im not saying Portis had a bad attitude.. but apparently he didnt have the kind of attitude that WE like. Personally, I think picking up Wilfork would have been a great move for us.. but apparently HE didnt have an attitude we liked either. That is fine with me.. if Wilfork becomes a hall of famer, that is fine with me too.. we got our guy in Babin, and im happy to have him. What is keeping you from feeling the same way about Portis and Gaffney?
 
Meloy said:
My prediction: keep Hollings & Davis, let Wells go & draft a huge strong back in 3-5th rounds that can grind out 50 to 70 yds a game and convert a couple 3rd downs per game.
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I dont see them letting Wells go , he will make the team on special teams if nothing else . not to mention he's one of the hardest workin guy's on the team . He can do more than just run the ball . Take a look on kick-offs .... who's the first one down there breakin up the wedge .... Its Wells . He's the kind of player Capers likes . (also has the same amount of fumbles in his career as DD does this season ....that would be 4)

If any of the three backs is to go i would think Holings would be the one , he's done practically Nothing , looks doubtful he will do anything this season and he FUMBLES too much .




BTW ..... Clinton Portis is a Redskin ...... get Over It :cool:
 
yeah i'd like to see us draft Cedric Benson, but i doubt that will happen so if we do draft a back it will problably be a later round,,,like i've already stated Deangilo Williams who plays for Memphis is a very good running back but dont play in one of the top confrences so he dont get much recognition ! Breaks a lot of tacles, has speed and can run people over ! might be a late 3rd rounder maybe 4th !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
yeah i'd like to see us draft Cedric Benson, but i doubt that will happen so if we do draft a back it will problably be a later round,,,like i've already stated Deangilo Williams who plays for Memphis is a very good running back but dont play in one of the top confrences so he dont get much recognition ! Breaks a lot of tacles, has speed and can run people over ! might be a late 3rd rounder maybe 4th !
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Than we would have a steal on our hands
 
another person to keep in mind is rudi johnson from cinci...he's an unrestricted free agent after this season...just heard that on espn
 
exactly,,,I'm trying to figure out a way to get a hold of Charlie C. so i can inform him of this but all i get is his answering machine idonno:
 
If DD can't step it up and I know he can than we need to address the RB pos in this years Draft or we can wait 2 more years DD will be a Res FA and we can try and Draft Adrian Peterson but we will need a top 3 pick for him so if anyone can figure out how to make this happen please notify the Texans front office ASAP haha
 
lol: haha been trying man been trying they always put me on hold and play that soul sothing music its quite annoying !!! But i think D.Davis could still be our running back of the future just having a rough second season start i say we give him one more year as starter cause he still has the talent he's just not utilizing it !
 
I think we can give him another year worst case we have to draft a RB next year or the next. I just hope DD isn't a one hit wonder. The the Front office we want the right of Adrain Peterson now.. We will pay him what he wants haha.
 
haha na i dont thin D.D is a one hit wonder,,,i just think he Jinx himself by saying he was gonna rush for 2,000 yards this season ! And it looks to me that he's trying to hard out there he needs to be patience and wait for his blockers to create holes in the defense !!! See why J.W has been doing better is cause he's not as fast and by the time he gets to the line the holes are already formed while D.D just rockets right up the middle and the blockers havent had time to do anything !
 
and in this article that vinny posted on here from Shanihan he even said that in order for a running back to have success in the zone blocking scheme they need to be used to it and have been there for a while !!! In my opinion Davis ran great behind our regular system last season and i dont see why we changed it !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
and in this article that vinny posted on here from Shanihan he even said that in order for a running back to have success in the zone blocking scheme they need to be used to it and have been there for a while !!! In my opinion Davis ran great behind our regular system last season and i dont see why we changed it !
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We won 5 games last year and have already won 4 and are in the playoff hunt. What's broken? We have a new Left Tackle, new Left Guard, and new Right Tackle. We only have two starters from last season in their same positions. The Offensive line is one of the hardest things to coordinate in football. The first half of this year is going to be tougher than the last half. They just need some time together.
 
Vinny said:
We won 5 games last year and have already won 4 and are in the playoff hunt. What's broken? We have a new Left Tackle, new Left Guard, and new Right Tackle. We only have two starters from last season in their same positions. The Offensive line is one of the hardest things to coordinate in football. The first half of this year is going to be tougher than the last half. They just need some time together.
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Oh no i like the new zone blocking scheme i just think it'll take a while for Davis to get used to it (and the O-Line) but once we start clicking it will be very good for us !!!
 
Grid said:
eh.. I dont see us drafting RB.. not in the first 3 rounds anyway.

Fact of the matter is that RB is one of the most risky positions to draft. a 1st round RB has as much chance of being a star as a 4th or 5th round RB.. for proof of that, look at D. Davis, Mewelde Moore, Rubin Droughns, Clinton Portis

Cedric Benson seems great.. but honestly if we are going to draft a back.. id like to see us pick up a Jerome Bettis type of back. Someone huge, who can take a beating and make good yardage every time. With the way we like to run the ball.. someone who can take a beating.. and who can power forward for 4 yards consistently would be just fine.. especially when we have such a great WR corp and QB. We dont need a star, we need a work horse.
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Ummm... Cedric Benson IS that type of running back. He isn't very fast, but he's as strong as an ox and can really break tackles and fall foward. He's definitely a power back if there is one in the upcoming draft. I'm not sure how good he would be in the NLF though, because 1) he's fumbled a lot this year and 2) he just isn't very fast.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
haha na i dont thin D.D is a one hit wonder,,,i just think he Jinx himself by saying he was gonna rush for 2,000 yards this season ! And it looks to me that he's trying to hard out there he needs to be patience and wait for his blockers to create holes in the defense !!! See why J.W has been doing better is cause he's not as fast and by the time he gets to the line the holes are already formed while D.D just rockets right up the middle and the blockers havent had time to do anything !
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AGREE 100%!
 
Andre_Johnson80 said:
If DD can't step it up and I know he can than we need to address the RB pos in this years Draft or we can wait 2 more years DD will be a Res FA and we can try and Draft Adrian Peterson but we will need a top 3 pick for him so if anyone can figure out how to make this happen please notify the Texans front office ASAP haha
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All I know is that it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult to get a back like Peterson. Plus, that's an option 3 more years down the road! Let's think more in the present shall we?
 
Bill's/TexanFan said:
As for hind site being 20/20 there were some of us who thought on draft day 2002 it was 20/20 THEN as far as the Texan's selecting Clinton Portis! At the time some fan were asking what the heck do you know....adding that Charley Casserly & Company knew what they were doing. Also, some said....let's wait and see how it turns out. And now, two years later, people like yourself are saying...."let's learn from our mistakes and focus on the future." In layman terms....let's not discuss it! That's how G.M's keep their jobs...they are seldom held accountable for their mistakes.
In Buffalo some fan's are now starting to become "uneasy" with the play of ORT Mike Williams, U. Texas. Williams was the 4th player selected in the entire draft and thusfar his play has been average at best. When the heat was turned up on GM Tom Donahoe for selecting Williams one fan rushed to Donahoes defense by asking...."How was Tom to know that Mike Williams couldn't play?" All I could do was idonno:
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nice post .....

I was one of those who wanted them to take Portis , so i do understand where you are coming from . Wasnt that pick used on Gaffney ? Well at least we got a servicable player out of it .

Would i like Portis now , sure i would , his 3.9 avg would be real nice .
But would he have done anything at all with the Texans O-line the two seasons ? I doubt it.

Its just one of those subjects that has been beaten like a dead horse . He may have a Hall of Fame type career and we'll be discussing it for the next decade......He's a Redskin , Im over it .

Portis is the type of back the Texans need , a DownHill Runner , capable of 4 yards a carry and a threat to break one off in a hurry....Is there a Portis in the upcoming draft ?
 
corrosion said:
nice post .....

. Wasnt that pick used on Gaffney ? Well at least we got a servicable player out of it.
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We picked Jabar at #33. We then picked Pitts at #50. Portis was picked #51, right after we took Pitts.
 
Just wanted to point out that neither Benson or Peterson are the workhorse type back that we are talking about. The only difference between Peterson/Benson and DD.. is 3 inches :P. They are both a little taller than him.. but the weight is the same.

What we need is a DD that is about 3 or 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

when I say a large workhorse back that can pick up reliable yardage and take a beating.. im talking about 5'11' - 6'1" and 230-250lbs

That is where Jamal Lewis, Stephen Davis, and Jerome Bettis all fall. Perhaps we should be looking for a fullback that size? that way we can put him in the backfield with Davis and run either one of em.. *shrug* i dunno.. but I know that, as much as we like to run.. that is the kind of RB we need.
 
corrosion said:
Would i like Portis now , sure i would , his 3.9 avg would be real nice .
But would he have done anything at all with the Texans O-line the two seasons ? I doubt it.
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Also, Pitts was one of our best linemen in our fist season. If we didn't take him no telling how much more of a beating Carr would have taken.
 
btw.. looking at a couple draft rankings.. the RBs that seem to fit the physical bill.. are Eric Shelton (JR) out of Louisville.. and Kay Jay Harris (SR) out of West Virginia.

Shelton - 6'3" - 245lbs - 4.6 40

Harris - 6'2" - 245lbs - 4.5 40

The heights kinda worry me. I dont know many NFL RBs that are that tall.

Good news is Harris may be available as late as the 3rd round(probably 2nd)... if we want him.
 
Keep an eye on Tim Blackwell from Southerm Miss. He's 6'0" 203lbs., runs a consistent 4.37/4.41 40, & has allegedly been clocked at 4.31 in the 40.

He hasn't played any this year, because he's apparently in the coaches doghouse. However, with that kind of size & speed, he might be worth taking a look at. He could be a CC late round sleeper special.

Tim Blackwell Profile
 
Grid said:
Just wanted to point out that neither Benson or Peterson are the workhorse type back that we are talking about. The only difference between Peterson/Benson and DD.. is 3 inches :P. They are both a little taller than him.. but the weight is the same.

What we need is a DD that is about 3 or 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

when I say a large workhorse back that can pick up reliable yardage and take a beating.. im talking about 5'11' - 6'1" and 230-250lbs
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Taking the pounding/knowing how lessen the impact is more important that the pure size...E.smith, Curtis Martin, Priest Holmes are no bigger than DomDavis have careers carrying the ball 20-25 times a game. The last injury, if I am correct was a sprained ankle which has nothing to do with size. Sure Benson has had lots of carries, but he has not missed many snaps for sprains, bruises, etc.
 
Grid said:
and Kay Jay Harris (SR) out of West Virginia.
Harris - 6'2" - 245lbs - 4.5 40

Good news is Harris may be available as late as the 3rd round(probably 2nd)... if we want him.
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Kay-Jay Harris will be 26 years old come draft time. That's freaking old for a rookie.
 
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