Ross Verba news

[Vinny]

But don't you remember the big hoopla exactly one year ago where the Texans announced we were changing our blocking schemes to resemble those of the Dolphins? They even said that would fit like a glove for Wade who came over from Miami.

I don't remember that at all. I can't remember where we ever said we wanted the Dolphin blocking scheme.

So with all the hoopla over changed blocking schemes last year, it didn't do squat for us. Why should we believe that yet another change in blocking schemes will work this year if it didn't work last year?

Well, we had 4 new faces in the 6 line spots last year. This will be the first year EVER to come back with the same cast for the most part. Also, We aren't changing our scheme, we are just changing our protection calls....which is different. The Texans graded the film and saw mental mistakes more than physical mistakes. How tough is that for most of you guys to understand?

 

[infantrycak]

But don't you remember the big hoopla exactly one year ago where the Texans announced we were changing our blocking schemes to resemble those of the Dolphins?

Close--as pointed out above they changed the run blocking to a zone blocking scheme which was typically associated with Denver.

 

[BornOrange]

Curious who you think the 5 (or more) franchise tackles were in the past draft - considering this was the first draft in years where a tackle wasn't taken in the top ten. I guess a lot of GMs must have screwed up this year, huh?

Look at "sure things" Gallery and Gross from the last two drafts and that's all you need to know about the uncertainty of it all.

aj, you didn't have your sarcasm detector on when you read Ghetto D's post.

Turn it on and re-read.

 

[Ghetto D]

Curious who you think the 5 (or more) franchise tackles were in the past draft - considering this was the first draft in years where a tackle wasn't taken in the top ten. I guess a lot of GMs must have screwed up this year, huh?

Hey, AJ - it's called sarcasm. Look it up.

I think they made a good choice by passing on an LT rather than reaching. My comment was directed at people who argued for picking an LT.

 

[Ghetto D]

aj, you didn't have your sarcasm detector on when you read Ghetto D's post.

Glad someone else caught it.

 

[aj.]

That's what I get for reading only the last post in a thread too fast too early in the morning I guess. Unfortunately, from some of the crapola I've read on this board recently, it struck me as real and I temporarily lost it. 40 lashes.

 

[Ghetto D]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. WAY to many people thinking GMs just crap LTs.

Sorry if I was too harsh. Bad morning.

 

[geofb]

Close--as pointed out above they changed the run blocking to a zone blocking scheme which was typically associated with Denver.

The report I watched on one of the local news channels a year ago definitely said Miami because they went on to say that it would be a great fit for the recently signed Wade since he just came over from Miami. They didn't say it would be exactly the Dolphins' blocking scheme, they said it was "similar". But definitely the team mentioned was the Dolphins.

My point was that we changed "schemes" one year ago. Now we are changing "schemes" again. Maybe there is a method in this apparent madness that I have clumsily overlooked. First, in year one, you change to a better run blocking scheme allowing you to run better but giving up too many sacks/hurries. The following year, year 2, you adjust by putting in a better pass blocking scheme giving your QB time to throw but causing you to only gain 2 yards per rush. Obviously in year 3 your need to...of course, implement a better run blocking scheme...the same one perhaps you tried in year 1. In year 4 after your QB was nearly disabled permanently in year 3 you will naturally need to...

Doh, I think I've got the hang of this now.

 

[wags]

The following year, year 2, you adjust by putting in a better pass blocking scheme giving your QB time to throw but causing you to only gain 2 yards per rush.

I'm not sure it was a better pass blocking scheme as much as it was telling Carr "throw it before these guys get you killed." It's going to be a similar theme this year. Not better pass blocking, more of Carr just getting rid of it quicker.

 

[Vinny]

My point was that we changed "schemes" one year ago. Now we are changing "schemes" again. Maybe there is a method in this apparent madness that I have clumsily overlooked. First, in year one, you change to a better run blocking scheme allowing you to run better but giving up too many sacks/hurries. The following year, year 2, you adjust by putting in a better pass blocking scheme giving your QB time to throw but causing you to only gain 2 yards per rush.

We have the same scheme. We are making different protection calls. The blocking scheme is unchanged. The way we call the protections are the only thing changing. There is a protection call on every play and Palmer makes those calls.

 

[infantrycak]

The report I watched on one of the local news channels a year ago definitely said Miami because they went on to say that it would be a great fit for the recently signed Wade since he just came over from Miami. They didn't say it would be exactly the Dolphins' blocking scheme, they said it was "similar". But definitely the team mentioned was the Dolphins.

If you did, you heard a confused commentator trying to translate Casserly saying "we are moving to zone blocking like Denver and we think Todd Wade from Miami will fit real well into it" because Miami doesn't as an ordinary course run zone blocking (all teams do to a degree) and there was even an article on the Texans web-site interviewing Wade about switching to a zone blocking scheme.

 

[Scottyboy]

ANyone know if Ross Verba signed with anyone?
I still think he would be a good pick up, with a solid TE.
if we address these two issues we got a real good shot

 

[F-minus67]

AP reports when the phone did ring for OT Ross Verba, it was Houston. The Texans had an offer -- a one-year deal in the $1 million range. Not exactly what Verba had in mind when he stormed out of the Browns' facility, even paying back his $450,000 roster bonus to be a free agent.

I found this at :
Verba link

 

[TEXANS84]

He'd be stupid not to take that money.

Its almost the start of training camp, and if only one team is offering you money...well then get there and start learning the system. Otherwise, he'll be sitting his butt at home paying back the Browns.

 

[TommyS]

his best bet now is to wait until someone gets injured, or plays badly, in training camp. then he might make a few mil from someone desperate.

but he'll be getting $35M when

 

[Vinny]

 

[mexican_texan]

Any news about this guy?

 

[Ibar_Harry]

Actually if Wiegert is out for the season, we might have to consider him again for Wiegert's position or move others around accordingly.

 

[Lucky]

Actually if Wiegert is out for the season...

Out for the season with a high ankle sprain? I'm not a Dr., but that seems excessive don't you think?

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

There goes Ibar overreacting again.

 

[Porky]

Actually if Wiegert is out for the season, we might have to consider him again for Wiegert's position or move others around accordingly.

I heard Carr got a hangnail. What will we do if the Hangnail won't heal. He might need to go on IR or something. The horror of it all.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

Out for the season with a high ankle sprain? I'm not a Dr., but that seems excessive don't you think?

There was some concern that surgery might be required. If so, then he would be out. Sorry, but just reporting what some others in the know have been saying. Quite, frankly I hope Wiegert is not out for the season. However, the point was made that Wade was never the same the rest of the season last year when he had the same kind of injury. The high ankle sprain generally takes a long long time to heal.........................

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

A severe high ankle sprain does take a long time to heal, about 6-8 weeks. Weigert will not miss the entire season.

 

[THEFUTURE]

ok guys i have been off in europe for 3 weeks, what the hell is going on with this guy, whats the news that i need to know?

 

[nunusguy]

A severe high ankle sprain does take a long time to heal, about 6-8 weeks. Weigert will not miss the entire season.

I'm thinking Tod Wade had that injury last year and he was hobbled and
handicapped with it all season.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm thinking Tod Wade had that injury last year and he was hobbled and
handicapped with it all season.

There has been a report that Wiegert has a normal ankle sprain, not a high ankle sprain. Wade did have the high ankle sprain and kept playing through it. If he had stayed out more than a week he might have come back healthier and recovered fully. Sometimes it is probably bad for the teams to let players be too gung ho.

 

[Lucky]

However, the point was made that Wade was never the same the rest of the season last year when he had the same kind of injury. ...

Never the same? How great had he been prior to the injury? It's not like he was a Pro Bowler before. Maybe Wade came back too soon, but he was as good as Todd Wade is the last 6-7 games of the season. Todd "only" gave up 2 sacks the last 7 games of the season. All in all, Wade missed 2.5 games, & probably should have missed 3.5 games.

And where did you see anything about surgery? Just after halftime, the Texans issued an injury status on Zach's that the x-rays were negative. Sunday, the prognosis was Wiegert missing 2-3 weeks. I'm not going to do a survey on the missed games due to ankle sprains (high, low, or mid), but if the Texans are saying 2-3 weeks on Wiegert, why shouldn't you & I believe them?

 

[infantrycak]

Never the same? How great had he been prior to the injury? It's not like he was a Pro Bowler before. Maybe Wade came back too soon, but he was as good as Todd Wade is the last 6-7 games of the season. Todd "only" gave up 2 sacks the last 7 games of the season. All in all, Wade missed 2.5 games, & probably should have missed 3.5 games.

I don't have any proof for it, but my impression was Wade was not as dominating in run blocking for several weeks after coming back. That was something he does normally excel at.

 

[Lucky]

I don't remember the Texans running attack to be that great prior to Wade's injury late in the Viking game. The Texans put up their biggest rushing numbers in the last half of the season. I've seen the numbers that suggest the Texans were a better running team up the middle & to the left side. And that seems to go with my recollection, as most of Davis' big runs went to the left side.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that whether it was before or after the ankle injury, Wade wasn't having a banner season for run blocking. With another offseason to iron out the wrinkles of Pendry's zone blocking scheme, I expect Wade to have a better year. But I'll also say that aside from the 3-4 weeks Wade was struggling with the ankle, he was a solid pass blocker. Certainly the best on this team.

 

[infantrycak]

Well to be more specific in my recollection, Wade looked one on one more physically dominant in camp, pre-season and early in the season. The unit as a whole did not look good IMO because (this may not be the actual explanation but the best I can describe it) the OL was firing off too parallel to the line of scrimmage and falling into a giant scrum pile without creating holes or sealing the cutback off. This IMO is part of what made DD and the other RB's look hesitant at times early in the season. Later in the season the line as a whole was firing off less parallel to the line, holes were opening and the RB's looked more comfortable. Wade individually and Wiegert next to him who was also being nagged by injuries, looked less physically dominant individually than before even though the result was better. But hey, that was just my impression.

 

[Jwwillis]

We don't want him, if we did we'd already signed him cuz noone else wants him. Remember I said in a similar thread that C. Palmer was his HC in Clev and knows plenty about him. Not to mention he's been in trouble with the law.
If you're drafting guys with some history (T.J., Morency) you may chalk it up to youth and something that might be corrected.
But you never want to bring in a 31-32 year old that has recently sparked up some more trouble, especially when they want 35 million dollars.

All Houston pro sports teams do not tolerate bad apples. Any player that gets in trouble with the law or has a bad team attitude gets dumped. Some get hired out of College but only after talking with key people associated with the player. Rockets traded 6 draft picks for a forward ( cant remember his name ) that had a bad rep out of college. And they got burned. It is revealing that they chose to take the loss rather than stick it out. Only player I can think of that we have kept through troubleing times is Pastorini.

 

[Jwwillis]

We don't want him, if we did we'd already signed him cuz noone else wants him. Remember I said in a similar thread that C. Palmer was his HC in Clev and knows plenty about him. Not to mention he's been in trouble with the law.
If you're drafting guys with some history (T.J., Morency) you may chalk it up to youth and something that might be corrected.
But you never want to bring in a 31-32 year old that has recently sparked up some more trouble, especially when they want 35 million dollars.

All Houston pro sports teams do not tolerate bad apples. Any player that gets in trouble with the law or has a bad team attitude gets dumped. Some get hired out of College but only after talking with key people associated with the player. Rockets traded 6 draft picks for a forward ( cant remember his name ) that had a bad rep out of college. And they got burned. It is revealing that they chose to take the loss rather than stick it out. Only player I can think of that we have kept through troubling times is Pastorini.

 

[Runner]

Well to be more specific in my recollection, Wade looked one on one more physically dominant in camp, pre-season and early in the season. The unit as a whole did not look good IMO because (this may not be the actual explanation but the best I can describe it) the OL was firing off too parallel to the line of scrimmage and falling into a giant scrum pile without creating holes or sealing the cutback off. This IMO is part of what made DD and the other RB's look hesitant at times early in the season. Later in the season the line as a whole was firing off less parallel to the line, holes were opening and the RB's looked more comfortable. Wade individually and Wiegert next to him who was also being nagged by injuries, looked less physically dominant individually than before even though the result was better. But hey, that was just my impression.

Right side health was a problem last year with the nagging injuries that slowed the starters even when they were in there. I hope this isn't a continuing trend for Weigert, we'll see if he comes back 100% whatever the timetable. They need to get him healthy before throwing him in though or the ankle may slow him all season.

 

[Reddevil63]

Rockets traded 6 draft picks for a forward ( cant remember his name ) that had a bad rep out of college. And they got burned. It is revealing that they chose to take the loss rather than stick it out.

Eddie Griffin??

 

[Jwwillis]

Eddie Griffin??

Thats it.