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Ross Verba news

TexanPride#1 said:
If we don't get a good left tackle david carr will be :goodnight
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good thing we havent wasted $35 million on verba then. he's an average LT at best, and i fancy pitts and wand both have more upside at LT than verba
 
We don't want him, if we did we'd already signed him cuz noone else wants him. Remember I said in a similar thread that C. Palmer was his HC in Clev and knows plenty about him. Not to mention he's been in trouble with the law.
If you're drafting guys with some history (T.J., Morency) you may chalk it up to youth and something that might be corrected.
But you never want to bring in a 31-32 year old that has recently sparked up some more trouble, especially when they want 35 million dollars.
 
I think we would sign him if we could get the money right. Who knows if that will happen though.
 
Reasonably low bounus money. He is a better Guard than Tackle so I'd want him to get on board with a deal that had most of the money in earned incentives because he would likely be replaced soon at LT if he won that job in 2005. I don't care if they had a contract to pay him 70 million in 2007 as long as it is not in the form of a bonus.
 
Vinny said:
Reasonably low bounus money. He is a better Guard than Tackle so I'd want him to get on board with a deal that had most of the money in earned incentives because he would likely be replaced soon at LT if he won that job in 2005. I don't care if they had a contract to pay him 70 million in 2007 as long as it is not in the form of a bonus.
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Has he played G in the NFL and for how long?
The low bonus $$ makes sense cuz we'll probably cut him B-4 his contract expires anyway.
 
He's just like Pitts in the fact that he doesn't have the body type of a prototype LT. He is the same height as Pitts but 25-30 pounds smaller. His game is more of a nasty, mauling game than one that uses long arms and great feet to finnesse speed rushers. If he was a solid, viable LT the Browns would not be so quick to launch him instead of paying him big time LT money.
 
Every time I check this thread with the title "Ross Verba News" I think one thing.

"Hope there isn't any".

I don't think we need him, I don't think he's going to be a positive addition. I'd rather see the Texans pass on him but I will say that I trust them to make the right decision here and if they sign him then they need him. Their needs I'm sure they know much better than I ever will.

I just have a bad feeling about this guy.
 
I don't trust them.

They signed Riley and he's a cancer off the field, and he's a chump for penalties on the field........Verba is better on the field, but, are either of them worth the negative attitude in the locker room.

NO.......but, they have screwed themselves by not addressing the line properly at the start of the off-season.........so, who knows.
 
I really have a problem with the line and how we are seemingly failing to address the central issues on an annual basis. Now, they have tried to deal with it in the past: with the expansion draft and trying to sign Pace, but they have really failed in this area for the most part. It is the 4th year and we still are having major issues figuring out the line personnel. I really cannot believe we are still juggling our offensive line and trying to figure out how to protect Carr, find more running room and more time...

The next draft will have to be a premiere lineman. Now, there have not been many chances to land one in the draft, because there have not been many...but we really have to fix this as a number one priority before anything esle imho.
 
Take this with a grain of salt because the source is Profootballtalk.com, but they posted the following:

VERBA'S $35 MILLION PAY DAY COMING?

Speaking of Ross Verba, he had said that he wanted a five-year, $35 million deal, either from the Browns or another organization.

We've heard that there's at least one team willing to give him a $35 million contract.

The deal would break down as follows:

1. Minimum salary in year one;


2. Minimum salary in year two;


3. the rest of it in years three, four, and five.

Of course, Verba would be cut before year three.
 
If it is us AND the signing bonus is held VERY low (3 Mill. ?), then that is something to consider. Who cares what the salary is out past the second year. He would provide depth and possible starting material. However, I hope they check out his lockeroom issues carefully.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
What would you consider "right " money in a 3-4 year deal
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I'd give him a contract that said he would earn 10 dollars a game. For every false start, he is fined one dollar. For every sack he gives up he is fined 2 dollars. At the end of the game if he owes more money then he is paid, he must personally apologize to every Texans fan in attendence and beg their forgiveness for his hoorendous play.
 
Based on the infomation in the clayton article, we have the best shot right now of signing him if anyone is going to. That puts us at an advantage to structure a deal that is cap favorable and give us another viable option for a starting left tackle. Even if it takes a three year deal with a moderate bonus structure, I think the team still gets value for minimal risk.
 
In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?
 
edo783 said:
In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?
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That's debatable, but it has been reported by John Clayton before that "NFL personnel" thought he had a great season last year.
 
wags said:
That's debatable, but it has been reported by John Clayton before that "NFL personnel" thought he had a great season last year.
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He is credited with allowing on 4 1/2 sacks. Not to sound too critical, but how many was Wand sited for allowing?

His personality and top 10 ranking might be debatable, but they guys is a talent to be sought after, for anyway, on the left side.

DC could do worse for people to protect his blind side... I'm confident of that.
 
edo783 said:
In the artical he says that Verba is considered by most to be a top 10 LT. Since when? I haven't heard of him being thought of that high. A solid, sleightly above average NFL LT..yes, but not a top 10. Is he really a top 10?
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If he was a top-10 tackle teams would be lining up to sign him and clearing whatever cap space was needed to do it (top-10 LT's aren't cheap). He is a meaner, nastier version of Steve McKinney imo. They are about the same size but Verba probably has better feet.
 
Top 10? I'll list mine and I watched Ross "play" football all last year keep in mind

1) Walter Jones
2) Jon Ogden (dwights chew toy)
3) Orlando Pace
4) Willie Roaf
5) Willie Anderson
6) Tra Thomas
7) Chris Samuels
8) Tarik Glenn
9) Flozell Adams
10) Matt Light

Ross himself claims only Pace and Ogden are better than him. Ryan Tucker, the browns RT, is better than him.
 
Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
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It's amazing that our Texans fans troll us harder than our rival fans do. Sadly most of the trolling around here comes from within.
 
I am by no means educated enough on Pitts, and Wand, and Verba to make an executive decision on who plays LT.

But even with the excessive false starts, and holds, im going with Pitts. I know it sucks to not use Wand, since you did draft him in the 3-4th round, but I just feel that Pitts holds his own, and Wand holds us down.
 
Vinny said:
It's amazing that our Texans fans troll us harder than our rival fans do. Sadly most of the trolling around here comes from within.
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Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Others are willing to speak up when they think problems are not being addressed. People shouldn't be bashed for expressing their views, even if those views reflect negatively on the Texans. This board would become a pretty stale place if it consisted of 100% silly homers. It already has plenty.
 
I agree, I like Pitts best at LT

And as far as me supposedly trolling the Texans......well, I love the Texans. Its the Front Office that's gotten to me. Its kind of like being in love with a girl and she's with some other guy. And this other guy isn't treating her right. And now that they've been going out for a couple of years, it seems like he's beating her down behind closed doors. Texans being the girl. Casserly and Company being the guy that she's dating.

I've seen the Texans with some serious bruises this off-season......who knows, maybe with enough cover-up and blush, they'll look great by the start of the season. But, it doesn't mean that I have to love the way that she's been treated. I'm not going to pretend that everything is perfect when its not.

I know that Casserly and co. have a lot of backers' and that's cool, everyone in the whole world could say that he's put forth the best effort that he could. But, I know that's not true, so I'm going to tell it like it is.

I don't think that the sky is falling, if we get "a couple bounces" we could even come away with a winning record.

Still doesn't mean that I'm going to say that every move Casserly has done was perfect and that I think he is "one of the best".

Who knows, maybe I'm not a normal fan, but a horrible off-season sure doesn't make me all giddy.
 
geofb said:
Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty. Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make. Others are willing to speak up when they think problems are not being addressed. People shouldn't be bashed for expressing their views, even if those views reflect negatively on the Texans. This board would become a pretty stale place if it consisted of 100% silly homers. It already has plenty.
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Yup


:brickwall
 
geofb said:
Could it be because Texan fans know firsthand how the front office knowingly ignored a prime area of concern going into the offseason? Sometimes the truth hurts and is not pretty.
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I understand you know how to build a football team better than Bob McNair. I just wish we had you running the team because it's obvious that the Texans sure could use you. It's a shame we didn't win the Super Bowl last year like all 3 year exansion teams always do.
geofb said:
Some would like to just put a happy face on every move the Texans make.
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Some like to critique moves after they play out on the field. Frankly, I'm weird like that.
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
I agree, I like Pitts best at LT

And as far as me supposedly trolling the Texans......well, I love the Texans. Its the Front Office that's gotten to me.
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They haven't even had a chance to show you - the fan - that their moves were good or bad. You just assume that all their moves are poor. Either you have some kind of crystal ball or you are just trolling. If you have a crystal ball...my appoligies.
 
It seems the closer we get to the season, the more trolls we have on this MB. Im not saying that ThrowAndreTheBall is a troll, but I have seen alot more trolls in the last month than normal. :bomb:
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
Awesome, if he's as crappy as you say he is, then Casserly is sure to sign him soon.


Casserly's Offensive line FA must have checklist:

Cancer in the locker room - CHECK

Thinking they are better then they really are - CHECK

Disliked by players around the league - CHECK

Good at wearing out their welcomes - CHECK

Sign with Texans or they are on the verge of retiring - CHECK

Waiting until late June to address the horrible line - PRICELESS
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Don't forget, Verba was busted for having sleezy parties at his house with boarderline underaged women. He's an all around class act.
 
The way I see it?

The front office knows much more than we, the fans, do. Sometimes there may be a method to their madness that cannot be explained in the immediate future.

I will not say the Texans are without their problems, they certainly have them and that is to be expected for a 3-4 year old football team. It often seems to me that the cookie-cutter society fans believe all issues can be resolved at once.

What I do know is that defense seems to win championships more than offense. I know that even though we had some key names that no one wanted to lose on defense, that we still had a defense ranked closer to the bottom of the league. What I saw this offseason? I saw the Texans make changes to that side of the ball that seems to have had more problems overall.

What have they done on the offensive side? Not alot personnel wise. However, as most educated players, coaches, and fans have stated over the years, lines benefit more with time to gel. This will be the first year the Texans give that possibility to the line. What I have also seen is them sticking to their plan and not faultering because the fans are impatient. I see a front office that would rather pass for subpar lineman in this draft and subpar lineman in FA versus making the fans happy for an average player just to satisfy the fans. I see a front office that may have the forsight to see there are potentially 4-5 LT's that may be 1st round draft potential next year that provides a better long term solution than anything we could've gotten this year.

Just because the team didn't address things the way you WANTED, doesn't mean there isn't a master plan that could allow this to work out. I want to see Carr protected from the blind side as much as anybody and the past dictates this year may be similar to the past years. However, I will let the games begin before I decide that their moves, or lack of moves, did or did not work.
 
Tyr said:
The way I see it?

The front office knows much more than we, the fans, do. Sometimes there may be a method to their madness that cannot be explained in the immediate future.

I will not say the Texans are without their problems, they certainly have them and that is to be expected for a 3-4 year old football team. It often seems to me that the cookie-cutter society fans believe all issues can be resolved at once.

What I do know is that defense seems to win championships more than offense. I know that even though we had some key names that no one wanted to lose on defense, that we still had a defense ranked closer to the bottom of the league. What I saw this offseason? I saw the Texans make changes to that side of the ball that seems to have had more problems overall.

What have they done on the offensive side? Not alot personnel wise. However, as most educated players, coaches, and fans have stated over the years, lines benefit more with time to gel. This will be the first year the Texans give that possibility to the line. What I have also seen is them sticking to their plan and not faultering because the fans are impatient. I see a front office that would rather pass for subpar lineman in this draft and subpar lineman in FA versus making the fans happy for an average player just to satisfy the fans. I see a front office that may have the forsight to see there are potentially 4-5 LT's that may be 1st round draft potential next year that provides a better long term solution than anything we could've gotten this year.

Just because the team didn't address things the way you WANTED, doesn't mean there isn't a master plan that could allow this to work out. I want to see Carr protected from the blind side as much as anybody and the past dictates this year may be similar to the past years. However, I will let the games begin before I decide that their moves, or lack of moves, did or did not work.
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:bowdown: :highfive: :survivor:
that post deserves 3 smilies!
 
Well said so no more posts on this topic until week 5!! :fishing: No more bored speculation, enjoy the summer fall will be here soon enough.
 
Speculate all you guys want but to just run down the team day after day after day is trolling, not speculating.
 
Porky said:
You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't turn it into Eva Longoria. :pigfly:
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What if in a miraculous twist it were possible yet way more beautiful than Eva? That would be worth checking into.
 
NFL | Verba Receiving Minimum Salary Offers
Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:52:46 -0700

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports free agent OT Ross Verba (Browns) has suggested he wants a contract worth $6-7 million per year, but has seen only minimum-salary offers so far.

:highfive:
 
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