kastofsna
Hall of Fame
especially since the MAIN reason mcneill fell to the 2nd round was because of a spinal cord issue. teams aren't sure how long he'll last in the NFL. everyone thought he'd be good, no question about it.
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Rise and Fall of Combine
- Thread starter dbspi
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Crowder really helped himself today with a 4.69 at 6'4" 272 with 32 reps. That's beastly. Crowder's helped by the way Texas DL like Rogers, Hampton, and Redding have outperformed expectations, too. 19 TFL, 10.5 sacks in 2006. Impressed at Senior Bowl. Perfect fit opposite Mario, real speed rusher who can go inside too. Windfall if available in round 2.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
He got crowned because he didn't give up a sack at AUB, and he earned a spot in the Pro-Bolw last season as a rookie. I'm not saying he's a HoF guy or anything, but he deserves whatever crown he's wearing with his play up to this point.
R
real
Guest
That still doesn't answer my question.
Again....
Why do some rookies get crowned after a good rookie year, but others don't ?
Personal agenda?
R
real
Guest
HuttoKarl
Veteran
Put Lynch in for Peterson then. I'd be fine with that too.
R
real
Guest
People in general.
I won't name any particular players.
But why is it that some players are crowned after early success, but others are viewed wearily? You even hear phrases like, "they'll figure him out"
I guess what I'm asking is, when is a year enough eveidence to label a player ? When can one year's worth of play be used as evidence that said player will be great ?
Is it a positional thing ? Is it a "how well did they perform thing" ? Or.....Is it just personal agenda ?
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
in the case of vince young, his early success mirrors michael vick's early success. pretty much the same player at this point. considering his inability to pick up an offense at texas, as well as his low intelligence, it's safe to assume for me that he's not getting better.
dbspi
Waterboy
Complete listing of every player combine results who have participated so far. To check combine results just select the group and it has complete listing.
http://fflivewire.com/players/Playe...&PlayerName=&pTeamID=99999999&PosNum=1&GO=GO!
http://fflivewire.com/players/Playe...&PlayerName=&pTeamID=99999999&PosNum=1&GO=GO!
R
real
Guest
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I didn't think it was possible but did Calvin Johnson's stock rise over the weekend?
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
True, but the real question is did h ebecome a better prospect then Reggie Bush, who was teh greatest prospect of all time?
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Yup.
Exithios
Waterboy
He simply proved all of the hype and made the nay sayers eat humble pie.
He ran a 4.35 40 at 239 lbs. All I have to say is "wow".
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
lol, reggie bush the greatest ever? hope that's a somewhat sardonic comment.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Indeed it was.
BTW anybody got a measurment on CJ's vertical? I know he out jumps the measuring stick, which goesa to 45".
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
If R. Taylor or L Booker are there for the taking in the fourth I hope our GM sprints to the forum. Either one would be fine with me there.
I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.
Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).
I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University.
And they say A&M is the ag school.
But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.
I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.
Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).
I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University.
And they say A&M is the ag school.
But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.
If R. Taylor or L Booker are there for the taking in the fourth I hope our GM sprints to the forum. Either one would be fine with me there.
I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.
Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).
I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University.
And they say A&M is the ag school.
But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.
Exactly, it could be worse. We all remember how college used to be. Who didn't do something stupid? Bro just got caught and it hurt his status. Fact is he can play, and on sundays that's all that matters.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Bit of a difference between a dime bag and a 5 lb brick of weed. Combined the Texans concern of character issues it's pretty safe to say that Taylor will not be a Texan.
Please_Evolve
Waterboy
If R. Taylor or L Booker are there for the taking in the fourth I hope our GM sprints to the forum. Either one would be fine with me there.
I agree that the Texans might want to take another look at their "boy scouts only" stance.
Taylor got caught with weed. (a little more than the average bear though).
I think he found the garden on the back forty at Texas University.
And they say A&M is the ag school.
But it isn't like he is being questioned in a hit and run death, a triple shooting or beating up his girl friend.
agreed. Beat your wife, use roids, maybe some petty theft, a few DUI's, get involved in a murder case, maybe a suspension and a few frowns.
But jeeze smoke some pot in the NFL and you are done.
R
real
Guest
I don't think it's as clear cut as that, otherwise I don't think they'd have even wasted brain cells interviewing him.
Why interview a player you know you aren't going to take when you could have used that interview on someone who could possibly make your team ?
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Yeah I oversimplified it but Pot+slow 40 time = Taylor NOT being a Texan.
He really needed to shine at the combine to improve his stock.
dbspi
Waterboy
Patrick Willis ran an 4.49 forty at the NFL Combine Monday, according to the NFL Network.
Patrick Willis - 4.49
Timmons - 4.59
Jon Beason - 4.64
Paul Posluszny - 4.68
Antwan Barnes - 4.40 with 31 reps
Quincy Black - 4.42
Zak Deossie - 4.53
David Harris - 4.53
Posluzny stock has taken a nose dive at the combine and there is good chance he will be available to us in 2nd. He was out performed by his own team mate.
Willis has solidify being selected in early teens. His stock has gone up considerably.
Alan Branch has also taken a nose dive and now they think he has slipped all the way down to lower 1/3 of the first round.
Adam Carriker - 6'6" 292lbs., did 33 reps on bench, had a 33 1/2" vertical, 4.9 forty, and a 4.14 shuttle (average LB time was 4.25). His stock has gone way up and some are saying that SF might draft him as their 34 LB.
Patrick Willis - 4.49
Timmons - 4.59
Jon Beason - 4.64
Paul Posluszny - 4.68
Antwan Barnes - 4.40 with 31 reps
Quincy Black - 4.42
Zak Deossie - 4.53
David Harris - 4.53
Posluzny stock has taken a nose dive at the combine and there is good chance he will be available to us in 2nd. He was out performed by his own team mate.
Willis has solidify being selected in early teens. His stock has gone up considerably.
Alan Branch has also taken a nose dive and now they think he has slipped all the way down to lower 1/3 of the first round.
Adam Carriker - 6'6" 292lbs., did 33 reps on bench, had a 33 1/2" vertical, 4.9 forty, and a 4.14 shuttle (average LB time was 4.25). His stock has gone way up and some are saying that SF might draft him as their 34 LB.
dbspi
Waterboy
Posluszny was expected to go in the first round but his performance at the combine has left many wondering for now. Think what you may but he has lost some ground.
run-david-run
All Pro
He did almost everything possible for a rookie his first year. Was on the best team in the NFL, helped set the TD record for his running back, got his QB into the ProBowl, made it in the Pro Bowl himself. He was one of few high pick rookies who experianced individual and team success, sounds like a good recipe for getting "crowned".
dbspi
Waterboy
Nice article from Yahoo on Combine winners and losers -
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jm-combinewrapup022807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jm-combinewrapup022807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Interesting Chriss with all of your talk of mediocre tallent, you sellect the one who showed the worst at the Senrior bowl and helped him self the least at the combine. So your starting Line up now consists of Salaam, Pitts, Flannery/Hodgen, Weary and Erick Winston. Just who on this line does Harris replace ?