GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
HowBoutThemCowboys! said:
What?? Those are mainly news stories about T.O. Maybe we shouldn't have a National Football Team section.
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What?? Those are mainly news stories about T.O. Maybe we shouldn't have a National Football Team section.
run-david-run
All Pro
Its not that we are obssesed, more just frustrated with the crap we took from evey media source for months for not taking Reggie. We now finnally have something palpable to credit our decison to pass on Reggie and by God we arnt gonna let it go, much like ESPN wont stop blowing Reggie after evey 4+ yard run.Titan "Tack" Fan said:
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
BroussardSaint said:
Yep...
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
BroussardSaint said:That's what I thought also.. but then i remembered you took Mario.. but I forgot about him.. Where has he been?
Making tackles and making our whole D-Line better. What has Reggie been doing? Fumbling you say!! Atleast he did it with class.
clandestin
Waterboy
tulexan said:
I'll take an espn-esque crack at it:
ESPN NEWS: REGGIE'S MOVES ARE SO SICK THE BALL CAN'T EVEN HANG
The NFL league office has asked Nike to evaluate new revolutionary materials for constructing footballs. This move has come after a football was apparently not able to "hang" with the sick juking moves of Reggie Bush. Referees at the time mistakenly refered to this as a "fumble", though we here at ESPN clearly saw an 'equipment failure' occur.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
Who knows at this point who the better player will be. The fact is the Texans are getting bashed for not taking Reggie Bush because he was (according to the so called experts) the BPA in the draft. Frankly, drafting BPA in the first round went out the window when the salary cap was introduced. Teams simply cannot tie all of their money up on one side of the ball ala the Indianapolis Colts. People forget about the financial side. Look at all the money we have tied up on the offense right now with Carr, Johnson(whos contract will need to be extended shortly), Davis, not to mention some of the outrageous contracts of certain O-linemen. What teams like the Colts have taught us is that the cap must be spread out evenly over both sides of the ball in order to win. We simply could not neglect the defensive side of the ball. How much of our salary cap would have been tied up on the offensive side of the ball had we drafted Bush?
The Texans made significant changes on the offensive side of the ball this offseason with new players and an offensive minded coaching staff. That in of itself will boost the offensive production. What people seem to forget is that the Texans were worse on defense and that was WITH a defensive minded coach.
The Texans made significant changes on the offensive side of the ball this offseason with new players and an offensive minded coaching staff. That in of itself will boost the offensive production. What people seem to forget is that the Texans were worse on defense and that was WITH a defensive minded coach.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
To me it all comes down to opportunity cost. Even if Bush lives up to his hype, is it worth paying 60+ M. compared to the production of a Wali Lundy or a Vernand Morency and their respective salaries? I cna't honestly say that it is. Example: Say Bush rushes for 1600 yards and Lundy rushes for 1100, is that extra 500 yards worth paying the money Bush would have recieved compared to what Lundy will make?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
clandestin said:
Excellent post. I can see the NFL now being forced to re-allow stickum in order to prevent more of these equipment failures in games that involve Reggie Bush and his mind boggling moves. Ordinary stickum won't work though. They'll have to come up with a new "Reggie-Proof" forumla based on Liquid Nails.
Receivers still can't use it but starting with the 2007 season running backs who posses a "Reggie-Class Juke-Coefficient" can apply to the league for a stickum waiver.
The NFL doesn't expect to issue more than one waiver (to Reggie of course) but they have to allow anyone who moves like that to also get a waiver to be fair.
Yeah right, as if anyone could move like Reggie!
run-david-run said:
BroussardSaint said:
No........ the something palpable, is that Reggie so far, has not looked like God..... as a matter of fact, people have said, that Reggie won't be able to do in the NFL what he did against FresnoState...... and to date...... he hasn't.
I know...... & you know, Reggie's going to break one off every now & again. maybe more often than that. & these guys won't be able to say this or that......
it's their board you know..... just let them have their fun.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Hervoyel said:
BONUS...it will also keep him from attempting another lateral.
HowBoutThemCowboys!
Rookie
Lundi has been treated like the next great Hall-of-Fame running back, better than the likes of Reggie Bush. Hate to break it to you gentlemen-- Bush > Lundi.
swisher
Old School
It's crap like this that makes me want to see Reggie Bush fail, not because of the person but because of everyone who assumes his greatness and thinks Mario is going to be a bust:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9632173
Top rookies
1. Reggie Bush, RB, New Orleans: C'mon, now, how can he not head this list? He has more talent than New Orleans has beignets and is the closest thing we've seen to Gale Sayers since ... well, Gale Sayers. The Saints defense could be dreadful, which means they'll play a lot of catch-up here. Bush is perfect for the part. He can return kicks. He can return punts. He can catch. He can run. In short, he makes things happen. And he scores from anywhere and everywhere on the field. Good. The Saints will need it.
2. Mario Williams, DE, Houston: The heat is officially on. The Texans thought he was a better fit than Bush, so it's up to Williams to prove they were right. He has had his moments in preseason, and, Lord knows, there's a crying need for pass rushers in Houston. Because people compare him to Julius Peppers, we at least have our measuring stick. In his rookie season, Peppers produced 12 sacks and won the league's Defensive Rookie of the Year Award. Your move, Mario.
Since the writer wants to compare Reggie Bush to Gale Sayers, then it would only be fair to say we have a measuring stick for him too, right?
In Sayers' rookie year he had a total of 2,272 yards (rushing, receiving, and returns) won ROY and scored 22 touchdowns. In a 14 game season. Your move, Reggie.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9632173
Top rookies
1. Reggie Bush, RB, New Orleans: C'mon, now, how can he not head this list? He has more talent than New Orleans has beignets and is the closest thing we've seen to Gale Sayers since ... well, Gale Sayers. The Saints defense could be dreadful, which means they'll play a lot of catch-up here. Bush is perfect for the part. He can return kicks. He can return punts. He can catch. He can run. In short, he makes things happen. And he scores from anywhere and everywhere on the field. Good. The Saints will need it.
2. Mario Williams, DE, Houston: The heat is officially on. The Texans thought he was a better fit than Bush, so it's up to Williams to prove they were right. He has had his moments in preseason, and, Lord knows, there's a crying need for pass rushers in Houston. Because people compare him to Julius Peppers, we at least have our measuring stick. In his rookie season, Peppers produced 12 sacks and won the league's Defensive Rookie of the Year Award. Your move, Mario.
Since the writer wants to compare Reggie Bush to Gale Sayers, then it would only be fair to say we have a measuring stick for him too, right?
In Sayers' rookie year he had a total of 2,272 yards (rushing, receiving, and returns) won ROY and scored 22 touchdowns. In a 14 game season. Your move, Reggie.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
All I'm saying is that money needs to be spread evenly throughout. With so much money already tied up on the offensive side of the ball and a new offensive minded coach implementing a runningback friendly system, the need for another high paid offensive player doesn't make sense. Therefore, we drafted the best defensive player in the draft.
The risk in drafting a runningback #1 is just too great. They take more punishment than any other position, so if we can spend less money and still get comparable numbers then that sounds like a smart business move.
The risk in drafting a runningback #1 is just too great. They take more punishment than any other position, so if we can spend less money and still get comparable numbers then that sounds like a smart business move.
BroussardSaint said:looks like you're starting to know REGGIE will be better than LUNDY..?? Will paying Mario 60+ M be worth paying a 5th round pick A LOT LESS MONEY then one player that only has 3 less sacks than Mario?
No but paying Mario the money to make our entire defense better is worth the money. If you followed the Texans at all you would see the difference in the defensive play. That unit has made a complete 180 turn and Mario has a lot to do with that.
It's funny how the Texans have been bashed by the media for this draft. It is probably their best draft in their short history. We landed 3 definite and possibly 4 immediate starters in this draft.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
HowBoutThemCowboys! said:
You're not breaking anything to anybody. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Wali Lundy is a better talent than Reggie Bush. Everyone here is impressed with what he's accomplished but even if he ends up with more yards and a better average than Reggie once the regular season is over I don't think it will have as much to do with talent as it will with opportunity and situation.
Most people are just making fun of the over-the-top hype. The rest fall into one of two camps. The few who really are bitter about the pick (and they exist, I'm not denying it) and trolls from other teams that don't have a board and who enjoy getting those bitter posters riled up.
Trolls from other teams.... now where would we find one of those?
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
HowBoutThemCowboys! said:
I certainly hope Bush > Lundi, he was drafted in the 1st round. All I'm saying is that for a position that takes such a pounding game in and game out, it makes more sense to pay less money later in the draft if you are confident that you can still manage comparable numbers. Here is a great example: runninback Dominick Davis signs a contrat extension LAST year and is unable to play now. He may not ever be able to play at least at the level that he was playing.
mefool3030
Practice Squad
no u ******** douchebag
BroussardSaint said:
RB's make immediate impacts and play 4-5yrs, DE's take longer but last longer. Kubiak has proven he doesnt need a big money RB in his system. Barry Sanders was one of the all time greats but couldnt take the Lions anywhere by himself. Earl Campbell almost put a team on his shoulders and went all the way but the Steelers decided not to let Earl beat em and left it to Pastorini/Renfro to make the plays. Didnt happen. Now Lundy has a 5.5 ypc ave. not because he has more talent than Bush but because he has more talent AROUND him and a better system than N.O. Man, if Earl or Barry had Denvers system in 79-80 he would have rushed for 3000 yards a season. Truly great backs can win the rushing title/Rookie of the Year/League MVP in their 1st year. Earl did it. Bush won't cause he can be arm tackled by 1 man. The Oilers went from the #2 pick in the draft (traded up for the #1 from N.O.)
To the AFC Championship in 2yrs. So no, Im not going to give reggie time. He shouldnt need it if he is "best back ever" to come out of college. If Barry/Earl/OJ/Dickerson didnt need time why should Bush? Can you imagine Earl holding out for money or petitioning to get the jersey number he wanted? The Oiler who had #20 offered to sell it to Earl for 20k and he said no way!
Bush will have character issues when the Aints start losing as usual. Anybody remember Archie Manning? The more things change the more they stay the same.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
The fact of the matter is the Texans were not a horrible rushing team last year and with Kubiak at the helm it should only improve. We were, however, atrocious on defense last year in just about every category. Like I said, drafting BPA worked great pre-salary cap because you could always go out and buy whatever else you needed. It just doesn't work that way. Now you have to draft BPA in need positions. The Texans needed DEFENSE and got it in the first two rounds.
Vambo, the Marble Eye
Waterboy
BigTimeTexanFan said:
yes and no.
Yes... because the NFL and ESPN will help make every move by Bush to build market share and sell tickets with their respective "hype machines". The NFL will benefit and the team owner (Benson in N.O.) will sell more cars...
No... if the value is only calculated "$ per yard" ... and no again if you want to build a "team" instead of focusing on the hope of superstardom and individual accomplishment
Vambo, the Marble Eye
Waterboy
BroussardSaint said:
What??? Offense is proactive... (Run Forest, Run!) Besides with the BS hype surrounding Reggie he doesn't even need blockers... he can fly!
Defense is a team effort and reactive. They are playing Mario at multiple positions requiring complex reads... and the Houston Defense is better for it.
"REAL SEASON"?... vous etes foi, mon homme... You have a better back in Deuce than in Reggie... and it is tough to accept that Benson has blown his cash on a non-performer.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
We have Mario and the 6th rd pick who probably doubled Reggie's #s in the pre-season . Theres not a 6th rd DE who can get upfield from any position on the DL . He athletic enough as a DE and strong enough as a DT ... oh yeah all this while being double teamed .BroussardSaint said:looks like you're starting to know REGGIE will be better than LUNDY..?? Will paying Mario 60+ M be worth paying a 5th round pick A LOT LESS MONEY then one player that only has 3 less sacks than Mario?
Demarcus Ware showed me all the Reggie I need to see . Reggie jukes ... Ware grabs him , picks him up , slams him down . Reggie only weighed 202 for his workouts . It looks like he plays at about 190 . WR here we come .
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
You been 180 degree turn. 360 would lead them to what they were last year.Hookem Horns said:
HowBoutThemCowboys! said:
& Stephen Jackson is better than Julius Jones...... for that matter, Marion Barber>Julius Jones........
But JJ has had the better career to date.
swisher said:
could you make that your sig so we don't forget??
I'd do it, but I like mine........
Jwwillis said:
Actually 5 are starters so I underestimated our draft. So far it looks like Owens, Winston, Lundy, Williams, and Ryans will start on Sunday.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
At this point, with the Stallworth trade, NO might get its value out of RB by switching him to WR, that way he is already outside of the tackles when he gets the ball and he'll only have to worry about DB's and every once in a while a linebacker... and the occasional blindside hit... but other then that (As stated in someones sig during the draft) he'll be a great kick returner.
Vambo, the Marble Eye
Waterboy
Brandon420tx said:
Agreed he probably will be more effective outside the tackles and returning kickoffs, but then wouldn't he be clearly overvalued at 2nd Pick $$$ for an wide out/ Billy "Whiteshoes" Johnson type, right?
Wolf
100% Texan
HowBoutThemCowboys! said:
congrats, I think you are the first to put the words "Hall of Fame" and Lundi in the same sentence. I don't recall Texan fans doing that.
however If it were up to the media, Reggie Bush would have kicked either Harry Carson,Raymond Wright or possibly even the great Troy aikman out of the 2006 Hall of Fame Induction. (White/Madden were locks).
Let me bring you down to earth on this one.
Only reason Texan fans make a stink about Lundi and Reggie is because we have been force fed Bush since the Fresno game and with each loss we endured, media (who doesn't like to be proved wrong) ,kept pounding the fack that Bush is Number 1 overall... and after we couldn't get a suitor to trade down (and rumors are N.O. couldn't either, Jets wouldn't bite on giving up their 2 #1's). , we picked Mario and all we have heard is Bush, Bush, Bush.. an frankly I don't dislike Bush as a person, but media is making me hope he fails in the NFL.
Me personally, I think Lundi and Ryans and Williams will have more of an impact than Lundi,Ryans and Bush if we picked that way (yes I know if we picked Bush we probably wouldn't have Lundi in the later rounds, but too many variables)
Mario was the "need" pick, he made the most sense based on undeniable needs and he's a heck of a talent too... and I thought and still think Bush is/was greatly overrated.*
This sounds crazy... but I pretty much guarantee some guy nobody has ever heard of will run for 1500+ yards in steel blue sometime between 2006-2008. Maybe Bush could have run for 2000+ yards in this offense, maybe he can't handle more than 20 touches per game. I don't really care because I'm happy with the draft and have no concerns for the running game.
I think the Sycuan stuff helped the Texans dodge a bullet and not have to commit even more money to a RB. Overpay top notch QBs, WRs, and DEs all you want, but be wary of long term deals with RBs... ehem.
*I wanted VY and thought Carr stunk.
This sounds crazy... but I pretty much guarantee some guy nobody has ever heard of will run for 1500+ yards in steel blue sometime between 2006-2008. Maybe Bush could have run for 2000+ yards in this offense, maybe he can't handle more than 20 touches per game. I don't really care because I'm happy with the draft and have no concerns for the running game.
I think the Sycuan stuff helped the Texans dodge a bullet and not have to commit even more money to a RB. Overpay top notch QBs, WRs, and DEs all you want, but be wary of long term deals with RBs... ehem.
*I wanted VY and thought Carr stunk.
bigtex77
Waterboy
Bottom line - Mario may have struggled at times, but so has Reggie. My favorite part of this arguement is that Mario was on a team that was 3-1 in the preseason, oh wait that doesn't mean anything (but if the Saints went 3-1, it would). OK then, Mario is on a team that will finish with at least two, maybe three more wins than Reggie's Saints during the regular season, to me thats what really matters.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
not the saints...LikeABoss said:
I know reggies good. i look forward to seeing his highlights on espn. when he broke that 44 yard run against the titans, i felt a little jealous. but who cares. move on.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Abdul Hodge, AJ Hawk, Nick Barnett, Andra Davis, Willie McGinnest, and Kamerion Wimbley.Wolf said:
I must agree.