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Ray Lewis: We wouldn't know Tom Brady without tuck rule

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Ray Lewis: We wouldn't know Brady without tuck rule
"When we -- the first time we created something called a tuck rule, it's the only reason we know -- I'm just being honest -- the only reason we know who Tom Brady is, because of a tuck rule," Lewis said. "There's no such thing as a tuck rule! If the ball is in your hand, and I knock it out your hand, whether it's going backwards, forwards, lateral, sideways, however it's coming out, that's a freaking fumble."
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"But guess what we created? We created a freaking tuck rule!"
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"They don't go to that championship game -- they don't go to that championship game if that tuck rule, if that ball is not called a tuck! That's a fumble!" he said. "Charles Woodson made that man clearly fumble the ball and they named it the tuck rule, something that we've never heard in today's game. So now you've got to ask yourself: When did the legacy really start?"
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If I had to take a shot at Lewis' greater point here, I'd guess he's saying that if the tuck play never happened, it would have set off a butterfly effect that would have greatly minimized Tom Brady in NFL lore. No rings, no MVPs, no Gisele.
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And by "we" he must mean all alien lifeforms. Because it's clear that an extraterrestrial has invaded Lewis' body.
 
Followed up by the retract work saying he was expressing frustration towards the rule, and that he has immense respect for Tom Brady.
 
And Tom was all like
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Ray played the game like he had a meteor-size chip on his shoulder. He's just doing that now under the veil of a lil' ol' oppressed player under the mighty thumb of the league and it's agenda driven rules-on-the-fly.

And Ravens/Pats.
 
And people look at me cross eyed when I say Vinatieri is the reason that Tom Brady is Tom Brady. (Which I stand by. Give him Mike Vanderjagt and would the Patriots have won the first two S.B?)
 
TEXANRED said:
And people look at me cross eyed when I say Vinatieri is the reason that Tom Brady is Tom Brady. (Which I stand by. Give him Mike Vanderjagt and would the Patriots have won the first two S.B?)
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Vanderjagt made 78.6% of his field goals attempted in the playoffs. Odds are yes.
 
oh boy....:mariopalm:

He'll need a flame retardant suit and his twitter handle might just cause a server meltdown from all the murder jokes that'll be flying his way from brady stans...
 
More insight from Ray Lewis:

"We wouldn't know Issac Newton without that apple."

"We wouldn't know Ben Franklin without that kite."

"We wouldn't know Kim Kardashian without that...video."

I have to concur with Ray on that last one.
 
On the other side of the coin... without that call, if NE loses, does Bledsoe remain the starter the following year and Brady languishes on the bench or get traded?
 
JB said:
On the other side of the coin... without that call, if NE loses, does Bledsoe remain the starter the following year and Brady languishes on the bench or get traded?
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No. Brady remained the starter even when Bledsoe was cleared as healthy. Drew came on in relief in the AFCCG when Tom got injured, but remained the backup in the Super Bowl.

The year after, the Pats went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. Brady was still the starter going into 2003.
 
JB said:
On the other side of the coin... without that call, if NE loses, does Bledsoe remain the starter the following year and Brady languishes on the bench or get traded?
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Great question. I remember there was a big uproar over Bledsoe losing his job due to injury.
 
Evidently this Pats/Ray-Ray
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is not new, from 1/2013...

Wes Welker's wife hates Ray Lewis ... and not just because the Ravens beat the Patriots yesterday ... it's 'cause she thinks he's a terrible human being ... and she made her feelings known on Facebook.

After Sunday's AFC Championship game ... Anna Burns Welker went to her Facebook page and posted the following message:

"Proud of my husband and the Pats. By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis' Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!"
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Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/21/wes-welker-wife-ray-lewis-murder-role-model/#ixzz3OvtmBeka
 
TEXANRED said:
And people look at me cross eyed when I say Vinatieri is the reason that Tom Brady is Tom Brady. (Which I stand by. Give him Mike Vanderjagt and would the Patriots have won the first two S.B?)
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Because Brady should have thrown TD passes when all they needed was FGs?

Give me a break, man. Vinatieri did not march the offense down the field in less than two minutes to set that FG up.

He's a freakin' kicker, dude. Give the other 51 players on that team some credit.

The hate for one guy truly reveals an inability to be objective. I'm not the biggest fan of Peyton Manning, but that does not mean I'm biased about basic analysis of his career.

As far as Ray Lewis, he was one of the greatest MLB in football, but I can't stand the dude as a commentator. He makes Michael Irvin look like Al Michaels.
 
Double Barrel said:
As far as Ray Lewis, he was one of the greatest MLB in football, but I can't stand the dude as a commentator. He makes Michael Irvin look like Al Michaels.
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Off topic, but did anyone else perceive John Lynch to be a Chris Collingsworth clone during that playoff game?
 
Double Barrel said:
Because Brady should have thrown TD passes when all they needed was FGs?

Give me a break, man. Vinatieri did not march the offense down the field in less than two minutes to set that FG up.

He's a freakin' kicker, dude. Give the other 51 players on that team some credit.

The hate for one guy truly reveals an inability to be objective. I'm not the biggest fan of Peyton Manning, but that does not mean I'm biased about basic analysis of his career.

As far as Ray Lewis, he was one of the greatest MLB in football, but I can't stand the dude as a commentator. He makes Michael Irvin look like Al Michaels.
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I like Brady. However if Vinatieri misses those FG's Brady is another Jim Kelly.
 
TEXANRED said:
I like Brady. However if Vinatieri misses those FG's Brady is another Jim Kelly.
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That's so subjective it really isn't worth discussing. How do you know the Pats wouldn't have won both of those SBs on overtime TDs thrown by Brady if Vinny misses?
 
Double Barrel said:
Because Brady should have thrown TD passes when all they needed was FGs?

Give me a break, man. Vinatieri did not march the offense down the field in less than two minutes to set that FG up.

He's a freakin' kicker, dude. Give the other 51 players on that team some credit.

The hate for one guy truly reveals an inability to be objective. I'm not the biggest fan of Peyton Manning, but that does not mean I'm biased about basic analysis of his career.

As far as Ray Lewis, he was one of the greatest MLB in football, but I can't stand the dude as a commentator. He makes Michael Irvin look like Al Michaels.
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I know these networks want to get commentators that have some credability as former players but my God so many of these guys have too much stupidity to overcome. I can't listen to this clown. Great player but Ray Lewis is an idiot.
 
TEXANRED said:
I like Brady. However if Vinatieri misses those FG's Brady is another Jim Kelly.
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And if Dwight Clark hadn't made that catch we wouldn't know who Joe Montana is?

These QBs are elite talent. I have absolutely no doubt that cream rises to the top in the NFL, so if history changes, they would have found some other way to get it done in other games.

chicagotexan2 said:
I know these networks want to get commentators that have some credability as former players but my God so many of these guys have too much stupidity to overcome. I can't listen to this clown. Great player but Ray Lewis is an idiot.
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yep, I feel the same way. Immediate channel changer when his clown act pops up on stage. Many former athletes make great analysts that are fun to watch. Ray Lewis is not one of them.
 
Double Barrel said:
Many former athletes make great analysts that are fun to watch.
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Emmitt Smith wasn't "great". But he was fun. Like watching a train wreck. You knew he was going to crash and burn. But you had to watch.

Worst former athlete analyst ever? Joe Montana and it's not even close. He would give the audience nothing but cliches. It was like he was still being interviewed after a game. Joe seemed like he never really wanted to be there. I did meet him at a Super Bowl event in 2004. Great guy, very personable. Just lousy on TV.
 
That NFL Network Sunday morning crew is terrible. Sapp, Irvin, and Faulk...ugh! It's a damn clown fest. I don't know why Warner just doesn't get up and walk out.
 
austins23 said:
That NFL Network Sunday morning crew is terrible. Sapp, Irvin, and Faulk...ugh! It's a damn clown fest. I don't know why Warner just doesn't get up and walk out.
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I feel awful for Eisen, who IMO is one of the greatest at his craft today.
 
TEXANRED said:
And people look at me cross eyed when I say Vinatieri is the reason that Tom Brady is Tom Brady. (Which I stand by. Give him Mike Vanderjagt and would the Patriots have won the first two S.B?)
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Okay, let's play your little game here that Ray Lewis instigated on tv.


Let us go and take away Brady's first SB due to one play that was called correctly due to the rules, but we'll go ahead and reverse it and Brady doesn't win the SB that year.

Now let us go ahead and continue to play that game and look at the other two SB's that Brady and the patriots actually did lose and use those same rules. We'll change the outcome of the play where Samuel had his hands on a perfect INT to end the game on Eli's last drive that most DB's would have caught and one that Samuel should have easily caught. Now the Pats win that game due to the change of that play. What if Samuel catches that ball? Pats win.

Now look at the other SB, where Welker missed that catch on the Patriots last drive that would have put them ahead by two scores. Welker's catch is widely known and brought up as the reason why the Pats lost that game. They likely would have gone on to score and won. If Welker catches that ball, Pats easily win.

So, in two of the Patriots other SB's playing under your same rules of asking whether a kicker would miss a FG or a tuck rule play gets reversed, then the patriots actually win two more SB's and lose one more making their run to be 4 out of 4 SB's. Is that more impressive than 3 SB victories out of 5 appearances? That is debatable.

Regardless, this is a really silly and ridiculous conversation to have. What happened did happen in those games, and I don't see you dragging out every other outcome of every game where FG kickers put up multiple amounts of 3 point plays on the scoreboard. A 3 point play at the end of the game is no more important than one in the first quarter. It is still points at the end of the day.

I think that Double Barrell already threw out enough examples of "what if" scenarios with dozens of other players that would change the course of history as well. We might as well just scratch off the winner and loser of every game that is within 5 points of victory in the last 10 minutes over every 4th quarter then and say that to many plays could have gone the other way and the game is different. Now how crazy would that be? The fact is you simply can't diminish Brady though. He has been to 5 and possibly 6 SB's now with dozens of different receivers more than any other QB has had to deal with as far as the all time greats. DB's best example I thought was that Joe Montana to Tim Dwight play that was pure magic by Montana. If Dwight doesn't make that catch do we argue that the 49ers dynasty never takes place? Or course not, because Montana and those Niners would have risen to the top regardless. They were amazing players.
 
TEXANRED said:
Great question. I remember there was a big uproar over Bledsoe losing his job due to injury.
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Yes, there was a huge uproar. People totally forget about when Brady was this big under dog QB that was thrown to the wolves in his 2nd season with literally no game experience as a rookie 6th round pick on a team that wasn't some top contender and one win after another led that team into the playoffs and won 3 horrifically tough games on the road before beating a Rams team that had an MVP in Warner who already had SB rings. No one expected the Pats to win that SB. They were the under dogs and Brady was a nobody that pretty much did the impossible that season. Now everyone looks for reasons to diminish the guy like you and Ray are doing in this thread all because he has led all of these all time great offenses and been to so many SB's. You have to remember the journey that it took Brady to get here though. He may have made it look easy over the years, but he was nobody that decided he wasn't going to be denied in this league.
 
Playoffs said:
6 Super Bowls and 20 playoff wins = tuck rule.


:ahhaha:
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For whatever reason, I think some people believe if Tom Brady didn't win that first Super Bowl, he'd have disappeared into anonymity. The guys who say, "If Bledsoe never got hurt..." I can understand, even though that may not be true either.

The Cowboys knew Tony Romo was going to be their starter even though Bledsoe was their starter, it was just a matter of time. I think it was the same with Brady in New England. For all we know, that was probably Bledsoe's last year in New England barring a Super Bowl victory... & we know that wasn't going to happen.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ray played the game like he had a meteor-size chip on his shoulder. He's just doing that now under the veil of a lil' ol' oppressed player under the mighty thumb of the league and it's agenda driven rules-on-the-fly.

And Ravens/Pats.
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Honestly I always thought the Tuck rule was BS. If you get hit and the ball comes lose it's a fumble. DEAL WITH IT! I do however ignore Ray most of the time ...as per the whole MURDER thing. I'm disgusted that he's on TV.
 
Ray Lewis: We wouldn't know Tom Brady without Deflate-gate
After an NFL investigation revealed that 11 of New England’s 12 game balls were under-inflated during last weekend’s AFC Championship Game, Ray Lewis announced Wednesday that he would love—absolutely love—to hear the excuses from Patriots fans this time.

“No, no, by all means, go ahead,” said Lewis, who lives outside of Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, and Connecticut before reportedly smiling and adding, “I’m all ears.”

“Wait, let me guess: The deflated footballs were also easier to catch for the Colts defense, so the Patriots didn’t have a real advantage, right? Or is it that the score was so lopsided that it didn’t matter in the end? No, seriously, I’m sure you guys have something really great cooked up for this one.”

Lewis went on to say that he also absolutely cannot wait to hear how this new scandal will have no effect on the legacy of Tom Brady, "So now you've got to ask yourself: When did the legacy really start?"
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