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Rams trade #2 pick to Redskins

Dutchrudder said:
Sweet. I'm happy, as it means the Browns will not waste 3 1sts on that guy. I like RG3 a lot, but sending that many picks for him isn't worth it for the Browns. Justin Blackmon will be a Cleveland Brown :D
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What if the Browns can grab Trent Richardson with their first first, then manage to land DeCastro their second-first, & Randle/Hill/Streeter with their first-second round pick.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I don't buy into the theory that situations is what makes or breaks a QB. Either you can play and have talent and succeed or you don't. For instance, I don't care if we put lock down protectors in front of David Carr, he was going to be a bust either way. If Robert Griffin is the real deal, he's going to find a way to be successful either way.

And as far as the naked boots go... If defenses can't key in on a immobile Matt Schaub when he runs his naked boots, I highly doubt they'll be able to key in on Robert Griffin when he runs his and his mobility is only going to help mask his sub par Oline play while they figure things out upfront.
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Cam....... Newton.

Who thought the Panthers had the talent to finish as a top 10 offense in 2011?


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This is a really bad trade for the Redskins imho. They gave up way too much for RG3 and the pressure on him will be tremendous now. I'm glad I'm not a skins fan. The Rams just got a king's ransom. Its too bad that both times the Texans had the number 1 pick that they didn't have a situation like the Rams did with the number 2 this year.
 
The biggest reason I'm skeptical of this trade has nothing to do with the players on the field. But would it surprise anyone if Daniel Snyder did something crazy? Maybe RGIII doesn't play well his rookie year, so then Snyder goes out and does something dumb. Or maybe he spends a ton of money next year to try and upgrade his team, but ends up getting the wrong type of players.

Until Washington actually does something positive in the W/L column, I'm going to be skeptical of everything they do. Snyder's turned that franchise into a joke.
 
PapaL said:
So where does that leave them? In last place in their division, with a rookie QB w/o offensive weapons, an OL, or draft picks with a front office that manages to shoot themselves in the FACE all the time. On the bright side their D is decent sometimes.
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With a Nintendo like offense, which Washington can very well have with RG3, & their 2011 defense, the 'skins can very well be a contender.

They stand at least as good a chance as Dallas & Philly.
 
Mr teX said:
-Washington has no real weapons for him to work with & their O-line might get that kid killed; especially in that beast division with all those beast NFC east pass rushers.....

Then when you factor in Shanny's offense with all the naked boots...the kid's gonna be running for his life & if he gets to running too much...his career could get untracked before it even starts due to injury or shell shock from being hit so much.
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You say that, but the Redskins only gave up 8 more sacks on the year than we did...And that was with spotty QB play and in a division that has "all those beast NFC pass rushers....."


RG3 is more than mobile enough to elude a DE in the open field on the Naked boots IF the DE even plays it correctly and is in position in the first place.

I don't think it's going to be open season on RG3...Shannahan isn't THAT stupid I don't think..
 
Stemp said:
If RG3 is as awesome as everyone expects, the best part is we get to watch him beat up on the Cowgirls twice every year
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How dumb of the Rams to trade OUT of the RG3 pick. Or they could have had Luck at #2 if Colts selected RG3.

Everybody thinks the Rams pulled off a major score. I think the opposite.

Conventional wisdom says "The Redskins just screwed up again." Conventional wisdom says "The Rams really screwed the Redskins and will be awesome with all those future 1st rounders."

Jerry Jones will be a very unhappy man for the next 10 years. RG3 is like Randall Cunningham. He can run and he can throw, and he's smart and charismatic. People believe in him 100%. Vince Young could run, and that's it.

Redskins got their franchise guy. Doug Williams with major wheels.
 
I like the trade.

Hell I would have liked to see the Texans make this trade if they were in position to do so...

When you can get a game changer at the QB position and especially one as highly touted as RG3 that seems to have his head on straight, you do it.....

Look how Peyton carried his franchise...Look at how Tom Brady has his team in the hunt every year...Look at what Rodgers is doing in GB...

I don't know if Cam has staying power, but look at how he almost single handedly breathed life into the Panthers organization...They have hope now...They are young again...revitalized...

Guys like that can completely turn around a franchise almost single handedly and then they can make up for bad draft picks and not having the most talented cast around them. They make life a hell of a lot easier on a GM, coach, owner...

Yeah, the skins gave up a lot, but I think it's well worth the risk for the potential pay out.
 
Looks like RG3, or Luck will be a foreskin. I say good for them, as long as the teams in the NFC East keep getting stronger, that means the Cowgirls will have an even harder time succeeding. :yes:
 
PapaL said:
What has Shanny done that makes you think he can suddenly pull this off? Has he yet to do this? Last I saw he hasn't done anything since Elway left, his prized running game failed in Denver, his OC came here, and oh yeah he got fired.

You're correct, good teams hit on talent in lots of different ways. Washington is not one. They've been successful on their 1st rounds picks and that's it. Don't believe me? Look for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_draft_history#2005_Draft

FA has been a disaster and that's putting it lightly.

So where does that leave them? In last place in their division, with a rookie QB w/o offensive weapons, an OL, or draft picks with a front office that manages to shoot themselves in the FACE all the time. On the bright side their D is decent sometimes.
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Why did you totally dodge my question?... How many first or second round picks do we have on offense? You made it seem like the Redskins are doomed and have no shot at acquiring talent now and that assertion is TOTALLY FALSE.

As far as Shanny getting fired... that's a weak point. Name me a coach who hasn't been fired. If you stay in the game long enough... you're going to get fired and as far as what he's done since Elway. He was able to go to the playoffs with Jake Plummer and was building a up and coming team with Cutler, before his owner pulled the plug and hired McDumbass.

Let's see what he does with Griffin now and lets see what Griffin is able to do in Washington before we prematurely write both off.
 
Mr teX said:
Apples & Oranges CB. Aikman got weapons in previous drafts & subsequent drafts afterwards. The redskins just effectively mortgaged their future to get him. Papal detailed how suck they've been in FA since snyder took over.

we've also got a beast rb in the backfield that teams have come to respect....they don't. You remember how the giants locked us down a few years back? Gonna be alot of that going on with him.
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That doesn't change the point I was making... Which was Aikman joined a team with crappy talent and got his brains beat in early on...and didn't break.

The Redskins also didn't mortgage their future... if Griffin turns out to be the real deal. Franchise QBs are worth their weight in gold. If Griffin turns out to be the real deal then they didn't mortgage the future, they unlocked a much brighter future.

And Snyder forfeited FO control a few years back BTW.
 
PapaL said:
Oh yeah you mean the Dallas team that netted them 3 first round picks and single handedly built their dynasty of the 90s in The Great Train Robbery trade? How'd that work out for the team that gave up all those picks?

Minnesota Vikings received
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)


Dallas Cowboys received
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)
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Read above.. That doesn't change the root point that I was making.

That trade made them a dynasty... however if they don't make that trade I highly doubt that would've made Aikman a bust.
 
It's always been kind of amazing to me there's always one player each year that people grab onto and think instant Hall of Famer before they play a down of football.

I can't wait to pull up this thread after the season and see how much the perspectives have changed.
 
Brisco_County said:
Wow! They sold the farm on that one.
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And threw in a daughter. Wow that was a steep price to pay. I like rg3 but anything less than being great will not justify the price. Its not his fault that the skins paid this much though. Effing rams were made an offer they couldn't refuse.
 
Marcus said:
It's always been kind of amazing to me there's always one player each year that people grab onto and think instant Hall of Famer before they play a down of football.

I can't wait to pull up this thread after the season and see how much the perspectives have changed.
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Please tell us who in this thread claimed Griffin was going to the HOF or even acted like he is? LOL, all I see is people typing is "if" Griffin becomes this... or "if" Griffin becomes that.

Oh and I also plan on bumping this thread... Already have it bookmarked. If you have a chance to get a good QB, you take your shot... first round picks be damned and if (there's that word again) Griffin becomes that, then it'll be a good trade for the Redskins.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Why did you totally dodge my question?... How many first or second round picks do we have on offense? You made it seem like the Redskins are doomed and have no shot at acquiring talent now and that assertion is TOTALLY FALSE.

As far as Shanny getting fired... that's a weak point. Name me a coach who hasn't been fired. If you stay in the game long enough... you're going to get fired and as far as what he's done since Elway. He was able to go to the playoffs with Jake Plummer and was building a up and coming team with Cutler, before his owner pulled the plug and hired McDumbass.

Let's see what he does with Griffin now and lets see what Griffin is able to do in Washington before we prematurely write both off.
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I'm not dodging your question, it's irrelevant. Our picks have nothing to do w their draft history and franchise failures.

I'm saying their history and ability to acquire young talent outside of the early picks under Snyder has been nil. I'm not making this up. Look it, check out the data, it doesn't lie.
 
Both teams get what they need. Rams get picks to ramp up their rebuilding...Redskins aren't used to having picks and they get a franchise QB. That's what starting SexyRexy does for you.
 
Marcus said:
It's always been kind of amazing to me there's always one player each year that people grab onto and think instant Hall of Famer before they play a down of football.

I can't wait to pull up this thread after the season and see how much the perspectives have changed.
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Teams will always over-pay for a Franchise QB when one grades high enough. This is really par for the course since there are way more teams than Franchise QB's. If this was for a lineman or a cornerback it's big news...those guys are just easier to find than a high end QB. If he becomes one of course...but its almost foolish to think that nobody would trade up for Griffin and that it would be cheap. The Rams knew what they had in that pick. They are just lucky they already had a young Franchise potential QB in the fold already.
 
Rey said:
You say that, but the Redskins only gave up 8 more sacks on the year than we did...And that was with spotty QB play and in a division that has "all those beast NFC pass rushers....."


RG3 is more than mobile enough to elude a DE in the open field on the Naked boots IF the DE even plays it correctly and is in position in the first place.

I don't think it's going to be open season on RG3...Shannahan isn't THAT stupid I don't think..
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Sexy Rexy's thing isn't to run..it's to throw ill advised balls for picks. All that being said, Grossman is also very familiar with that offense too & still managed to get lit up 8 more times than our immobile & rookie qb group so take that for what its worth.

He'll start out not wanting to run...by the end of the season he'll be doing it just to survive..It's the natural progression of all rookie qb's coming in the league. The other thing is Briles' offense does a disservice to qb b/c they operate almost exclusively out of the shotgun & there is no damn playbook. In the NFL, he'll be coming from under center a helluva lot more than he did in college so he won't be able to read the defense as fast and easily as he did; which will in turn have him holding onto the ball longer. His legs will save him from some of those hits...not too many though.

We'll see how the redskins & Shanny handle him though. Will they hit FA & the draft hard to get him some weapons?
 
So Robert Griffin, III became essentially:

Greg Robinson, Alec Ogletree, Stedman Bailey, Zac Stacy, Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Isaiah Pead and Rokevious Watkins
 
Playoffs said:
So Robert Griffin, III became essentially:

Greg Robinson, Alec Ogletree, Stedman Bailey, Zac Stacy, Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Isaiah Pead and Rokevious Watkins
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Wo, wo, wo. Griffin had one of the best rookie seasons of all time. Then he came back unhealthy and had no off season and struggled while playing hurt and couldn't finish the season due to those health issues. The book on Griffin has not been written by a long shot. I suspect he'll come back next season and have a good year. Many are writing him off already, but many 2nd year QBs struggle and end up adapting again. He has plenty of time to get back in track to where he was two years ago.
 
Texecutioner said:
...I suspect he'll come back next season and have a good year.
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Agree. I still say he was the best player in the NFL up until he was injured. Gruden needs to shut down those daily RG3 pressers and protect his QB with playcalling. The got him a T and a G in the draft.
 
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