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Questionable approach to Decrease Concussive Events.........Removing Tackling from All Practices

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Will this actually have any effect on the big picture of concussion in football...........or will it only have deleterious effects on the game as we know it?..............These are legitimate questions that become stronger at the NFL level, as we have no good evidence that this type of approach will translate positively to the NFL level as reflected by the increase numbers of concussive events occurring last season.

College Football
Ivy League Moves to Eliminate Tackling at Football Practices
By KEN BELSONMARCH 1, 2016



Ivy League football coaches have decided to take the extraordinary step of eliminating all full-contact hitting from practices during the regular season, the most aggressive measure yet to combat growing concerns about brain trauma and other injuries in the sport.

The move could influence how other football programs, from the youth level to the professionals, try to mitigate the physical toll of football, which has been played on Ivy League campuses since the 19th century.

The eight Ivy League coaches unanimously approved the measure last week. Their decision is expected to be adopted formally once it is affirmed by the league’s athletic directors, policy committee and university presidents. The new rule would be in addition to the Ivy League’s existing limits on the amount of full contact in practice during the spring and preseason, which are among the most stringent in collegiate football.

Research has shown that limiting the amount of full-contact practices can reduce the number of concussions. In the N.F.L., for instance, concussions during practices in the preseason and regular season have declined since 2012, the year after limits on the number of full-contact practices were put in place. (Concussions over all rose last year, however.)

The research on limiting full contact in practice “all shows that you not only have fewer subconcussive hits, but also concussions,” said Dr. Robert Cantu, the co-director of the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy at the Boston University School of Medicine and the medical director of the Concussion Legacy Foundation. “It’s not rocket science.”

The Ivy League’s new rule was inspired by one of its members, Dartmouth, where full-contact practices throughout the year were eliminated by Coach Buddy Teevens starting in 2010 to reduce injuries, including concussions, that kept players out of games and wore them down over the course of a season.

At first, some players and coaches worried that they would lose their competitive fire, Mr. Teevens said. Instead of hitting other players in practice, Dartmouth players hit pads and tackling dummies, including a specially designed “mobile virtual player” that moves across the field the way a player would.

“At this stage in their careers, these guys know how to hit and take a hit,” Mr. Teevens said in a phone interview. “People look at it and say we’re nuts. But it’s kept my guys healthy.”

The Ivy League — which consists of Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Pennsylvania, Princeton and Yale — has been one of the most aggressive college conferences in addressing the risks associated with the collisions that are endemic to the game. In 2011, the league sharply reduced the number of full-contact practices teams could hold, going beyond the rules set by the N.C.A.A. at the time.

“We’re not trying to change the nature of the game, we’re just trying to make it safer,” said Robin Harris, the executive director of the Ivy League.

The league also reviewed the rules governing men’s and women’s hockey, lacrosse and soccer to determine if there were ways to reduce hits to the head and concussions in those sports. The league is also looking at rugby and wrestling.

Leagues from Pop Warner to the N.F.L., sometimes reluctantly, have also restricted the amount of contact in practices, when many concussions and other injuries occur. Coaches across the country have eliminated the Oklahoma Drill and other techniques that require that players butt heads.

Dozens of states, which govern public school athletic programs, reduced practice-field contact, something advocated by Practice Like Pros, a group that promotes less contact in practices.

Terry O’Neil, who runs the group, said that only 3 percent of concussions sustained in the N.F.L. occurred on the practice field; in high school, the rate is 60 to 75 percent.

Groups like the Ivy League, which have limited full contact in practices, “have been forced to improvise and innovate without full contact to the point where they are so comfortable with it, they vote to eliminate full contact completely,” Mr. O’Neil said.

Some youth leagues have gone even further to reduce the risk of head trauma. The Boys & Girls Club in Marshall, Tex., for instance, shuttered its tackle football program and focuses more on flag football.

The N.F.L. now allows 14 full-contact practices during the 18-week regular season, though some teams never reach that limit.

The N.C.A.A. guidelines are more permissive. Teams that hold two-a-day practices can have full contact in one of them. Full-contact practices are allowed up to four times in a week, and a maximum of 12 times during the preseason. During the season, teams can hold full-contact practices no more than twice a week.

Mr. Teevens said that his restrictions on full contact in practice helped reduce the number of concussions his team sustained to just a handful each season from about 20 a year before full-contact practices were eliminated. The number of neck, back and shoulder injuries also declined noticeably, he said.

“You’d have more stuff occur because we were banging each other,” he said.

Mr. Teevens said that contrary to some fears, his players have become better tacklers. Players still tackle from 500 to 800 times a year, but instead of launching themselves at other players in practice, they focus on how they tackle to avoid head collisions. The number of missed tackles in games has fallen by more than half, he said.

“It hasn’t hurt our level of play,” he said. “It’s actually made us a better team.”

In the past three seasons, Dartmouth has finished third, second and tied for first in the conference. Other teams paid attention to Mr. Teevens’s methods. “Winning the championship this year legitimized it,” said Mr. Teevens, who coached at Dartmouth from 1987 to 1991 and again since 2005. He coached at Tulane, Illinois, Florida and Stanford in between.

Getting other college conferences and leagues to follow the Ivy League’s lead may take time. When the N.F.L. limited the amount of contact in practice, some players complained that it would undermine their competitive drive, even though they recognized the benefits of the measure.

“Sometimes I do miss the old live contact practices because they simulated game conditions and helped you prepare for the real thing,” Cullen Jenkins, a Giants defensive tackle who has played 12 years in the N.F.L., said last season. “Then again, some of those practices could be pretty tough and exhausting, so I don’t miss that at all.”

From a medical perspective, the benefits have been unequivocal. One study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin found that a statewide rule that prohibited full contact during the first week of the season, and limited full contact to 75 minutes during the second week and to 60 minutes per week in the third week and beyond, had an immediate impact.

The rate of concussions sustained in high school football practices in the state, based on a sampling of high schools, fell by about half after a rule change in 2014.

“It’s verification that this approach is a way to make the game safer,” said Alison Brooks, an assistant professor in the department of orthopedics and rehabilitation at Wisconsin and a co-author of the study. “It is a real effect of the rule change.”
 
I've been watching Friday Night Tykes from the beginning. Interesting show in so many aspects, especially the grueling workouts they are subjecting 10 and 11 year old kids to endure.

This season a new team joined TYFA (the league being documented by the series). They are the Yoakum Outlawz, from the small Texas town of Yoakum (the place is literally in BFE, Texas).

Currently on the show, the Yoakum Outlawz are undefeated. The interesting aspect of this team is that they only practice once a week and they do not tackle at practices. The coaches explained that this saves the players for the game and they come in fresh instead of worn out from too much practicing, and without tackling at practice, they do not have the wear and tear and come in ready to get physical (and they do!).

It makes me wonder how this would translate to the pro level. Do pros really need to practice tackling? I mean, these are professional football players. By the time they reach the NFL, the fundamentals of tackling have been ground into them for a decade or longer.

Just food for thought.
 
They talked about this on the Dan Patrick show this morning, had the Dartmouth HC on. Dartmouth hasn't tackled in practice in-season for years. They won the conference this year with one of the best defenses. He stated that while they don't tackle teammates, they do tackle a lot on the dummies and a MTB (mobile tackling dummy). They get in more tackling than most teams do, they just don't hit their teammates. Said concussions and injuries are down overall. They made some very good points on the show, as did Colin Cowherd on his show later.
 
It seems to me that for the long term prosperity of football in general, it makes sense to limit the amount of potential non-game situations that could result in serious injuries, as well as change the fundamental tackling techniques like the Seattle Seahawks have done for a few years in turning to rugby for better tackling techniques.
 
They talked about this on the Dan Patrick show this morning, had the Dartmouth HC on. Dartmouth hasn't tackled in practice in-season for years. They won the conference this year with one of the best defenses. He stated that while they don't tackle teammates, they do tackle a lot on the dummies and a MTB (mobile tackling dummy). They get in more tackling than most teams do, they just don't hit their teammates. Said concussions and injuries are down overall. They made some very good points on the show, as did Colin Cowherd on his show later.

Sorry, but there is no reason to believe that tackling dummies vs tackling players will lead to less concussions to the tackler. Furthermore, a large segment of concussions occur during blocking contacts. Head to head contact, of course is the worse offender. It's beginning to be recognized that lineman especially are being concussed much more than thought due to blocking activities.

And I'd have to say that the statement that "by the time a player reaches the NFL, they already know how to tackle," is blatantly false. They certainly should, but they don't. All you have to do is watch enough games to realize that on defenses and STs, there are usually just a handful of players on teams that you could pick out as "sure tacklers" or with consistently good technique. (I don't even want to use the Texans as a premiere example of this).
 
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Sorry, but there is no reason to believe that tackling dummies vs tackling players will lead to less concussions to the tackler. Furthermore, a large segment of concussions occur during blocking contacts. Head to head contact, of course is the worse offender. It's beginning to be recognized that lineman especially are being concussed much more than thought due to blocking activities.

I wouldn't know either way, just reporting on what the HC said. Even if it doesn't lessen concussions but reduces the amount of "lost time" injuries, it's a positive thing.
 
It seems to me that for the long term prosperity of football in general, it makes sense to limit the amount of potential non-game situations that could result in serious injuries, as well as change the fundamental tackling techniques like the Seattle Seahawks have done for a few years in turning to rugby for better tackling techniques.

Not only does Seattle tackle safer than the rest of the league but they also seem to tackle better. Maybe they just have better players but from what I've read the players all think that the rugby-style tackling has made them more efficient tacklers.
 
And I'd have to say that the statement that "by the time a player reaches the NFL, they already know how to tackle," is blatantly false. They certainly should, but they don't. All you have to do is watch enough games to realize that on defenses and STs, there are usually just a handful of players on teams that you could pick out as "sure tacklers" or with consistently good technique. (I don't even want to use the Texans as a premiere example of this).

I think they know how to tackle, but unfortunately, our ESPN highlight culture created an atmosphere where big hits, not tackles, were celebrated and routinely shown over and over. The ESPN segment "Jacked Up!" was on for years, as well as many NFL Films presentations, celebrating crushing hits. All of this conditioned a mentality among players that they could get bigger contracts if they were perceived as more high profile in the media. That trend is now reversing, but years and years of mental conditioning does not change overnight.

When you see a team like the Seahawks stress a safer rugby technique and make it policy, these same players fall in line and no longer head hunt but instead do their jobs and make the tackles. The Seahawks do not have a special scouting department that only finds players capable of tackling, but instead, as an organization, they enforce the concepts of safe tackling and eliminating mercenary hits.
 
I think they know how to tackle, but unfortunately, our ESPN highlight culture created an atmosphere where big hits, not tackles, were celebrated and routinely shown over and over. The ESPN segment "Jacked Up!" was on for years, as well as many NFL Films presentations, celebrating crushing hits. All of this conditioned a mentality among players that they could get bigger contracts if they were perceived as more high profile in the media. That trend is now reversing, but years and years of mental conditioning does not change overnight.

When you see a team like the Seahawks stress a safer rugby technique and make it policy, these same players fall in line and no longer head hunt but instead do their jobs and make the tackles. The Seahawks do not have a special scouting department that only finds players capable of tackling, but instead, as an organization, they enforce the concepts of safe tackling and eliminating mercenary hits.

Good post. If the Texans STs players and much of their run D can be called trained in the art of tackling, they should have preferentially chosen plumbing as a profession.
 
Good post. If the Texans STs players and much of their run D can be called trained in the art of tackling, they should have preferentially chosen plumbing as a profession.

You are talking about the Texans ST's... no one can call them trained in any art
 
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