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Quessenberry Breaks foot

Rey said:
I had this argument last year and I don't get saving the irdtr tag for an "important" player.

2 things, what does the importance of the player have to do with anything? It's the saving of a roster spot for a few weeks that is what is needed.

Also, if that other injury never comes then you excluded a guy that could have been useful.

Worse case is if you have another injury to a guy you want to bring back and not put on IR, then you lose a 53 man roster spot. You still get the same amount of game day spots, except that player is now inactive.

Now, I get it if you have two or more injuries at the same time later on...then it becomes a case of either IR a guy to save a roster spot or keep them both on the 53 while they recover.

But if quess can return then this is exactly what the IRdtr was meant for. To basically hold an extra spot for a guy until healthy.

If Watt gets an injury that's going to keep him out 2 months in week 3, you aren't going to IR him for the year. You'll keep him on the active roster and you'll just activate one of those guys that's not normally active on game days and you'll sit Watt. Same number of game day players. 1 less healthy body on the 53.
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And the bolded is the point. Q is a backup lineman at this point. I like the guy. And we can put him on the IR with the designation for return. No problem with that.

But more people are going to get injured. Several of those guys could be important guys. And we might be up against the wall if we try to carry them all for the entirety of the season on the regular roster. If one of those guys gets into that situation, then they make a lot more sense to stash and bring back.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And the bolded is the point. Q is a backup lineman at this point. I like the guy. And we can put him on the IR with the designation for return. No problem with that.

But more people are going to get injured. Several of those guys could be important guys. And we might be up against the wall if we try to carry them all for the entirety of the season on the regular roster. If one of those guys gets into that situation, then they make a lot more sense to stash and bring back.
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The importance of the player is not relevant.

And if you have several top players injured at once, being able to gain one extra roster spot isn't t going to help.

If quess can come back later he's a good candidate for the tag.

Importance of player doesn't matter though. Lets say Schaub and keo got hurt. Keo was going to be out two month...Schaub a month and a half.

You'd use the tag on keo to get that extra roster spot since Schaub would be back more quickly.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
And the bolded is the point. Q is a backup lineman at this point. I like the guy. And we can put him on the IR with the designation for return. No problem with that.
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Broken foot sounds bad to me. Thinking about putting him on IR sounds bad to me.

Back up lineman doesn't sound good enough to me. Rookie out of San Jose St. doesn't sound good enough to me.

I like the kid & I'm looking forward to his development on this team, but I've seen Wade Smith play on a bum ankle, Myers & Brisiel too. We're watching Newton play on a gimpy knee.

I don't see how Q can come back & help this team with a bum foot. IR him, get him ready for 2014, sign Menkins to the 53, tell him it's time to sht or get off the pot. & just like Newton, we're going to be hoping the Texans don't count on him being the player he was, but draft an OLman to shore their bets.

I wonder if Ryan Harris can play tackle?

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Rey said:
The importance of the player is not relevant.
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Did you just learn "relevant" because you have been running around throwing it down?

Anyway the importance of the player most certainly makes a difference, i.e. is relevant. If this was Arian Foster you slap it on him no questions asked. With Pleasant or some other easily replaceable off the street player you aren't going to risk that you need it later on someone more important to have back.
 
infantrycak said:
Did you just learn "relevant" because you have been running around throwing it down?

Anyway the importance of the player most certainly makes a difference, i.e. is relevant. If this was Arian Foster you slap it on him no questions asked. With Pleasant or some other easily replaceable off the street player you aren't going to risk that you need it later on someone more important to have back.
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Disagree.

If they think pleasant can help them this year they'd use it on him.

If they think a player is easily replaceable, then they shouldn't be on the 53. So if they have throw away players that they really don't think can help them anyways and they can just grab a guy and replace them, then shame on them.

Importance of the player is not relevant. If they have throw away players on the roster (shouldn't be the case) then yeah...they ditch them.
 
Rey said:
Disagree.

If they think pleasant can help them this year they'd use it on him.

If they think a player is easily replaceable, then they shouldn't be on the 53. So if they have throw away players that they really don't think can help them anyways and they can just grab a guy and replace them, then shame on them.

Importance of the player is not relevant. If they have throw away players on the roster (shouldn't be the case) then yeah...they ditch them.
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Then coming up with some examples of back end of the roster guys having it used on them should be easy. Knock yourself out.
 
infantrycak said:
Then coming up with some examples of back end of the roster guys having it used on them should be easy. Knock yourself out.
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Do you just say stuff?

Danny Gorrer. CB for the bucks. He's been on like six teams in 4 years.


Now How about you show me some situations where it made sense for a team to do so, but didn't because the player wasn't important enough.
 
Rey said:
Danny Gorrer. CB for the bucks. He's been on like six teams in 4 years.
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Doesn't matter what he was on other teams. Gorrer was expected to play a much bigger role in Tampa this season.

Now How about you show me some situations where it made sense for a team to do so, but didn't because the player wasn't important enough.
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Well the Texans have already chosen not to use it 3 times so far this season - Bonner, Lemon, Trevardo and may do so again with Q who is the one most likely to contribute this season and they still may not use it on him. Look around the league at who is getting the designation, it is mainline players - Vilma, Spaeth, Pitta.
 
Rey said:
Now How about you show me some situations where it made sense for a team to do so, but didn't because the player wasn't important enough.
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In 2011 they should have used it on Mario Williams. They didn't know when he was going to come back & I think they "hurriedly" made the decision to put him on IR.

Mario said he was ready to play in the play offs. I think he'd have made a difference.
 
infantrycak said:
Doesn't matter what he was on other teams. Gorrer was expected to play a much bigger role in Tampa this season.
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He's a fringe roster guy that's shown some flashes. Dude has been with Tampa for about a year. Dude was an udfa that has been on 6 teams in 4 years. Not exactly sure what you're looking for. Teams don't generally keep many players they find worthless.

Well the Texans have already chosen not to use it 3 times so far this season - Bonner, Lemon, Trevardo and may do so again with Q who is the one most likely to contribute this season and they still may not use it on him.
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Do you know what an IR stash is? You use guys that were not likely to make the team?


Look around the league at who is getting the designation, it is mainline players - Vilma, Spaeth, Pitta
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LOL, except I just provided an example of a guy who is not mainstream. The lions also used the tag on their special teams ace. That'd be like us using it on Braman.

Again, show me a team where it made sense to use it on a guy, but didn't because they felt the player wasn't important enough.

This is not a tag reserved for mainline players. It's more about timing and what the players' injury statuses are.

That doesn't mean that random roster filler guy that's just been brought up for a week because of injuries would get the tag. Don't be ridiculous. But for the purposes of this thread they aren't going to not use it on quess because hes not a mainstream player.

There is a reason they are waiting to see what the return time looks like.
 
thunderkyss said:
In 2011 they should have used it on Mario Williams. They didn't know when he was going to come back & I think they "hurriedly" made the decision to put him on IR.

Mario said he was ready to play in the play offs. I think he'd have made a difference.
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They may have used it on him, but I don't think it was in effect until last season.
 
thunderkyss said:
In 2011 they should have used it on Mario Williams. They didn't know when he was going to come back & I think they "hurriedly" made the decision to put him on IR.

Mario said he was ready to play in the play offs. I think he'd have made a difference.
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I'm sure they would've if the IR designated to return existed then, the option to do that didn't start until last season.
 
I hadn't seen this thread in so long and knowing the Texans luck this year all I could think when I saw it was "AGAIN?"
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
How is this if he on IR??????????
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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
Obviously IR players can't practice with the team but can work out with other IR players and can practice on other fields not used by team
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Marcus said:
So, where on the OL is he projected for?
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He's projected to hit the weights hard over the offseason, then we'll see. ;) But early looks were he can play.
 
badboy said:
I prefer as OG but just curious as to why you think not at RT?
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Because I don't think he has the lateral mobility and quickness to play RT. They need to draft Jake Matthews and stick him at RT.
 
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