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QB Brock Osweiler to start preseason opener for Cleveland Browns

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Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson named Brock Osweiler the team’s starting quarterback Monday for its preseason-opening game against the New Orleans Saints on Thursday.

Cody Kessler is No. 2 on the depth chart, followed by rookie DeShone Kizer and Kevin Hogan. Osweiler has seen little time with the No. 1 unit since joining the team in a March trade from the Houston Texanshttps://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ck-osweiler-start-preseason-opener/544358001/
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I dunno sounds like the Brockster is not doing that poorly in Cleveland ?
 
Well, it is the Browns after all.

...Curiously, Kizer and Kessler have split first-team reps at training camp, while Osweiler has played with the second team. Jackson acknowledged that that may have been unfair to Osweiler.

"Brock hasn’t really gotten any first team reps and this will give him that chance. We look forward to seeing what he can do with this opportunity throughout the week and against the Saints. Cody will be the second quarterback to take the field followed by DeShone and then Kevin (Hogan)."
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/osweiler-to-start-browns-preseason-opener/ar-AApBYct
 
"A lot goes into our evaluation, but it's always going to be about efficiently and effectively running the offense," Jackson said in a statement released by the team. "You want your starter to be able to do that despite any circumstance. Brock hasn't really gotten any first-team reps, and this will give him that chance. We look forward to seeing what he can do with this opportunity throughout the week and against the Saints." link

For Osweiler having the 1st preseason starter job with essentially not having taken any 1st team reps tells you how low the turds are floating in the Browns' toilet bowel.
 
I think an argument could be made that the Browns offense is a better fit for Osweiler than the offense in Houston. I'm told that, in Houston, the coaches wanted a Tom Brady clone who lived on timing routes while Osweiler is more a play action passer with a deep ball.

Also, I am told that David Lee, the Browns QB coach, has reworked Brock's fundamentals, shortening his stride and raising his delivery. It appears that Brock has been more receptive to coaching in Cleveland than he was in Houston. Perhaps part of it is because he was humbled and, also, perhaps he was just naturally more receptive to David Lee's discussion of Peyton Manning's fundamentals than the Houston coach's discussion of the Tom Brady ideal.

By the time we play you guys in October, we should know more. (Maybe much sooner.)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
"A lot goes into our evaluation, but it's always going to be about efficiently and effectively running the offense," Jackson said in a statement released by the team. "You want your starter to be able to do that despite any circumstance. Brock hasn't really gotten any first-team reps, and this will give him that chance. We look forward to seeing what he can do with this opportunity throughout the week and against the Saints." link

For Osweiler having the 1st preseason starter job with essentially not having taken any 1st team reps tells you how low the turds are floating in the Browns' toilet bowel.
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That Osweiler has been running with the twos should not be surprising. Kessler played eight games last year, did better than expected and obviously had a leg up with the system early on and Kizer is the new golden boy in Cleveland (much like Watson is your golden boy). However, in the recent scrimmage last Thursday evening, Osweiler (with the twos against the ones) was clearly better than either Kessler or Kizer (with the ones against the twos). So he will get his chance to practice with the ones and start the game against the Saints. We will see how he does.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:



That will allow him to do those special things he did with the Texans..................like drive the ball deeper into the ground and further over the head of his receivers..........:toropalm:
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That is funny and we all fully understand how he was in Houston.

However, according to David Lee, the reason for the ball sailing was Osweiler's long stride which, according to Lee, comes natural with someone as tall as Osweiler. Lee called him Daddy-long-legs. The problem with the long stride is that the stride tends to get ahead of the ball causing the ball to be released too soon (which is the reason the ball sails). With a shorter stride, the ball is released in synch with the stride and thus it is more accurate. Apparently, Lee convinced Osweiler that his stride needed to be shortened by showing him film of Peyton Manning who, according to Lee, had perfect fundamentals.

So it appears that Osweiler shortened his stride and became more accurate. The question is: when the bullets start flying, will he be able to stifle the urge to stretch it out? Maybe. Or maybe not. But if he doesn't, the chances are that Lee will be screaming at him to shorten it.

Might work. We shall see.
 
Brownsfan said:
That is funny and we all fully understand how he was in Houston.

However, according to David Lee, the reason for the ball sailing was Osweiler's long stride which, according to Lee, comes natural with someone as tall as Osweiler. Lee called him Daddy-long-legs. The problem with the long stride is that the stride tends to get ahead of the ball causing the ball to be released too soon (which is the reason the ball sails). With a shorter stride, the ball is released in synch with the stride and thus it is more accurate. Apparently, Lee convinced Osweiler that his stride needed to be shortened by showing him film of Peyton Manning who, according to Lee, had perfect fundamentals.

So it appears that Osweiler shortened his stride and became more accurate. The question is: when the bullets start flying, will he be able to stifle the urge to stretch it out? Maybe. Or maybe not. But if he doesn't, the chances are that Lee will be screaming at him to shorten it.

Might work. We shall see.
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Last year there was talk about having to work on his foot work in OTAs and preseason. It was not ignored. But evidently, instinct pulled him back into the same deep hole that got Manziel. I admire your optimism. Of course, we'll find out more within a couple games into the season..............or sooner.
 
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Last year there was talk about having to work on his foot work in OTAs and preseason. It was not ignored. But evidently, instinct pulled him back into the same deep hole that got Manziel. I admire your optimism. Of course, we'll find out more within a couple games into the season..............or sooner.
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Oh, I am sure that the Houston coaches were aware of the same thing that David Lee has mentioned in regard to Osweiler. I think it is simply a case that Osweiler has been more inclined to accept coaching this year than he was last year. Part of that may be that he was humbled by the Houston experience and the trade. But I also suspect that he may have been more inclined to accept Peyton Manning as an example to emulate than Brady. It could be that he has a greater admiration for Manning than Brady.

And BTW, the preseason start may not mean a great deal anyway. One of the reasons Hue has given for starting Brock in the game is to give Kizer more game experience.

Not sure I understand the reference to Manziel. Perhaps you could explain if you are still interested.

Cheers.
 
Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. If he ends up starting and putting together a good season that wouldn't be a good look. Only saving grace is if Watson or Savage play really well.

Otherwise giving a team a starter AND a second Rd pick would be pretty special.
 
Maybe it's my suspicious nature but I'm thinking this is the Browns' FO giving Osweiler a chance to put some 'film' out there so he's more attractive as a trade piece.

I fear it may backfire.


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maybe I should have said "I hope it backfires"
:D
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. If he ends up starting and putting together a good season that wouldn't be a good look. Only saving grace is if Watson or Savage play really well.

Otherwise giving a team a starter AND a second Rd pick would be pretty special.
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That sounds like the cue for somebody to say: Remember this is Cleveland. :)

On the other hand, we suddenly appear to have a decent OL for a change. And possibly a better than average defense...

Suppose we got a QB...
 
Brownsfan said:
Oh, I am sure that the Houston coaches were aware of the same thing that David Lee has mentioned in regard to Osweiler. I think it is simply a case that Osweiler has been more inclined to accept coaching this year than he was last year. Part of that may be that he was humbled by the Houston experience and the trade. But I also suspect that he may have been more inclined to accept Peyton Manning as an example to emulate than Brady. It could be that he has a greater admiration for Manning than Brady.

And BTW, the preseason start may not mean a great deal anyway. One of the reasons Hue has given for starting Brock in the game is to give Kizer more game experience.

Not sure I understand the reference to Manziel. Perhaps you could explain if you are still interested.

Cheers.
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The Manziel reference was that despite the coaches trying to keep him from running at the drop of a hat like in college....................he reverted and took off and ran at the drop of a hat. :)

In all seriousness, I hope the Browns find one of their young QBs can surprise them and give them a semblance of success, because I truthfully feel that Osweiler does not have the ability to be consistent in a positive way, nor take coaching well........nor do I feel that he will handle the stress of making big stage mistakes and the criticism that goes with it, without it taking a pathological direction.
 
Brownsfan said:
So it appears that Osweiler shortened his stride and became more accurate. The question is: when the bullets start flying, will he be able to stifle the urge to stretch it out? Maybe. Or maybe not. But if he doesn't, the chances are that Lee will be screaming at him to shorten it.

Might work. We shall see.
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Something like that will take hundreds of thousands of repetitions before it's proper muscle memory.

Still, I don't think this is something that needs to be fixed right away. The important thing is that he keeps his head when things go south & make sure more times than not he makes positive plays in those situations. Here in Houston, that wasn't the case.
 
ObsiWan said:
Maybe it's my suspicious nature but I'm thinking this is the Browns' FO giving Osweiler a chance to put some 'film' out there so he's more attractive as a trade piece.

I fear it may backfire.


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maybe I should have said "I hope it backfires"
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I've also posted the "marketing" aspect of what I believe is probably going on with Osweiler and the Browns.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Manziel reference was that despite the coaches trying to keep him from running at the drop of a hat like in college....................he reverted and took off and ran at the drop of a hat. :)

In all seriousness, I hope the Browns find one of their young QBs can surprise them and give them a semblance of success, because I truthfully feel that Osweiler does not have the ability to be consistent in a positive way, nor take coaching well........nor do I feel that he will handle the stress of making big stage mistakes and the criticism that goes with it, without it taking a pathological direction.
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Okay, maybe I see something of a point. However, I think you are comparing apples with ostriches. My opinion of Manziel is that if there ever was a guy that needed to have a redshirt year with instructions to learn the offense before ever seeing the field in a game, it was Manziel.

Unfortunately, Pettine was an idiot and allowed Manziel to wing it and play just enough to give the kid the idea that he could get without learning the offense. Never mind the off the field stuff: on the field, it was dysfunction meeting dysfunction. Thanks for reminding me of that disaster. I am forever in your debt.

As for Osweiler, I think he is at least an adequate bridge to Kizer--assuming Kizer can grow into the job. Kizer appears to be talented enough, but he isn't ready to start. But we have to put somebody under center. Kessler doesn't have an NFL arm--sort of like Hoyer. On the other hand, Osweiler has the arm and seems to be improving day by day. It is another new offense for Osweiler, but he seems to have picked it up pretty quick. We will see what happens.
 
JB said:
Do you realize how bizarre that sounds?
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I think it is reasonable enough. In the first preseason game, the starters generally only play a series or two. Suppose your rookie, who needs as much game time experience as possible, is the starter and you take him out with the rest of the starters, isn't that counterproductive? So Hue is starting the veteran which allows the rookie to play longer as a reserve. It also tends to ease the transition for the rookie since he will be playing against the other teams reserves in his first NFL level contest.

In the meantime, this gives Brock, who has been running with the twos the chance to play with the starters in the practices leading up to the game and also in the game against the Saint's starting defense. It appears that Hue is doing this because it is becoming increasingly clear that the competition is going to be between Osweiler and Kizer with Kessler dropping out. It was anticipated in the beginning that the competition would be between Kessler and Kizer, but with Osweiler showing up, adjustments became necessary. Thus while what Hue is doing may seem somewhat unusual, he has an unusual situation.

And I would mention that while our situation is not ideal, I am not sure it is much worse than yours with Savage and Watson. My guess is that, in your first preseason game, Savage will start and Watson will play more. You are hoping that Watson can take over at some point, of course, and we are hoping the same for Kizer. Who will turn out to be better is anybody's guess.
 
But do you realize how absurd that sounds? Disregarding the truthfulness of the reasoning behind it, just the statement itself?
 
JB said:
But do you realize how absurd that sounds? Disregarding the truthfulness of the reasoning behind it, just the statement itself?
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Well, I suppose I expected that the readers of this forum would understand what happens in the first preseason games and why, in that particular situation, the backups would typically play more than the starter and why playing the rookie later in the game (and longer) than the starter might be a reasonable objective for a head coach.

A lot of things can sound bizarre or absurd when taken out of context. The context, of course, was the intent to mention that the preseason start by Brock might not mean all that it might seem to mean otherwise. I was just trying to play it straight and was seeking not to mislead.

In the further interest of truthfulness, I will readily admit that I do not want Kizer to play in the regular season this year at all. I want him to have a redshirt year because I think he will be much better prepared to succeed next year than this year due to a better understanding of the offense.

I generally think it is counterproductive in most cases for a rookie to start. NFL offenses are complex and I think it is better for a quarterback to be in full command of the offense before starting regular season games. Therefore, I prefer that Osweiler start the entire year not because I think he is our long term solution, but because I want Kizer to have the best chance to succeed.

I think the situation with Savage and Watson is similar. If you want Watson to have the best chance of succeeding, you should want Savage to take charge and be the starter this season.
 
Brownsfan said:
Well, I suppose I expected that the readers of this forum would understand what happens in the first preseason games and why
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Sorry for the misguided attempt for a little humor. Guess Browns fans don't have much to smile about
 
With Brock top dog, I don't know if this has changed much.





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Double Barrel said:
Make no mistake, your situation is much, much worse. You've got Brock Osweiler on your roster. :fingergun:

Word out of Texans training camp last year was all peaches and cream, too.
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Actually, we are sort of hoping for the Denver version of Osweiler to serve as a bridge to Kizer who isn't ready to start just yet. Unlike you guys last year, we are not expecting Osweiler to be our long term solution.
 
JB said:
The key part of that is you got Osweiler... you'll understand eventually
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What I understand is that after the Banner/Lombardi/Pettine disaster, we have a FO and coaching staff that actually has a chance of developing a team to compete in the NFL. That second rounder plus Osweiler cost only a fourth rounder. Forget the sixth we also got in the deal. We could release Osweiler tomorrow and lose only money and keep the 2018 second round draft choice which, by itself, is worth that. In the meantime, Osweiler appears to be serving a purpose.

The only significant problem we face for the future is the fact that at some time in the future, we may have a cap problem with all the first and second round draft picks we are acquiring who will eventually want to get paid.
 
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Brownsfan said:
Actually, we are sort of hoping for the Denver version of Osweiler to serve as a bridge to Kizer who isn't ready to start just yet. Unlike you guys last year, we are not expecting Osweiler to be our long term solution.
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If watched any of Brock's play last season you'd know that having Brock at qb is indeed the long term solution. If the problem is - trying to figure out the best way to keep sucking?
 
chicagotexan2 said:
If watched any of Brock's play last season you'd know that having Brock at qb is indeed the long term solution. If the problem is - trying to figure out the best way to keep sucking?
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The Browns Really Want You To Buy This Whole Brock Osweiler Thing

Tom Ley
Today 10:14am


Please remember that the only reason Brock Osweiler is currently on the Browns’ roster is because the Texans were so desperate to be rid of him that they gave Cleveland a second-round pick for absorbing Osweiler’s $16 million salary this season. Also remember that Browns GM Sashi Brown was most excited about getting the draft pick, and all but admitted that Osweiler was nothing but a salary dump. Keep all this in mind while you watch this video:

Fans roasted the Browns' rock-themed hype video of Brock Osweiler checkdowns

Osweiler has been tabbed to start the Browns’ first preseason game next week, and the team seems to believe their fans should be freakin’ stoked about this. Browns fans: The quarterback who is currently at the top of your depth chart is a guy who the Texans willingly replaced with Tom Savage, and now your team is trying to convince you this is actually a good thing with a highlight reel of check-down passes. Sorry.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Browns Really Want You To Buy This Whole Brock Osweiler Thing

Tom Ley
Today 10:14am


Please remember that the only reason Brock Osweiler is currently on the Browns’ roster is because the Texans were so desperate to be rid of him that they gave Cleveland a second-round pick for absorbing Osweiler’s $16 million salary this season. Also remember that Browns GM Sashi Brown was most excited about getting the draft pick, and all but admitted that Osweiler was nothing but a salary dump. Keep all this in mind while you watch this video:

Fans roasted the Browns' rock-themed hype video of Brock Osweiler checkdowns

Osweiler has been tabbed to start the Browns’ first preseason game next week, and the team seems to believe their fans should be freakin’ stoked about this. Browns fans: The quarterback who is currently at the top of your depth chart is a guy who the Texans willingly replaced with Tom Savage, and now your team is trying to convince you this is actually a good thing with a highlight reel of check-down passes. Sorry.
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Yet here we criticise Brock for not being able to make the short throw & Tom Savage is the next Brady.

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chicagotexan2 said:
If watched any of Brock's play last season you'd know that having Brock at qb is indeed the long term solution. If the problem is - trying to figure out the best way to keep sucking?
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In regard to that, I would mention that there are more than one definition for suckage.

One has to do with getting sucked into crap like paying an inexperienced quarterback $78 million for four years ($37 million guaranteed) and then after one apparently disappointing year as the face of your program compound the mistake by giving up a second round draft choice in order to unload his contract and get some cap space apparently to sign a Dallas quarterback who decided to go into broadcasting instead.

If you sometimes become upset with silly moves by your front office, I feel your pain. As a Browns fan, I suffered through the dysfunction of the Banner/Lombardi/Pettine era, and I know for a fact what silly moves look like. Fortunately, those days are over for us and we now have a FO and coaching staff that portends better days.

Actually, your signing Osweiler wasn't such a bad idea aside from the fact that you paid way too much for him. I mean, after all, for an inexperienced quarterback, he did have some pretty nice games in Denver. The main problem was that you expected him to learn a complex offense on the spot and perform like Tom Brady. Look, it is no secret that O'Brian wanted Osweiler to do things that he was not comfortable doing and Osweiler objected. This led to open arguments between Osweiler and O'Brian, a situation somewhat reminiscent of the Pettine/Manziel dance I witnessed in Cleveland. (Don't get me wrong. This is not a direct comparison since nothing compares to that, but, in a way, it is kind of similar.)

The bottom line is that one or the other had to go. They could not continue to coexist. And probably it is just as well that we get the benefit of the second round draft choice in addition to what we can get from/for Osweiler in the deal. Cheers.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yet here we criticise Brock for not being able to make the short throw & Tom Savage is the next Brady..
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Regarding your mention of Osweiler not making the short throw, apparently you haven't seen him throw lately. As noted in the link supplied by Cloak, Browns fans are criticizing a hype video for being a "bunch of checkdown passes — none traveling more than 10 yards — all set to some rock music." As near as I can tell, he is making the short passes fine these days. (Probably due to his shorter stride.)

I think anyone who watched the recent Browns scrimmage would have to agree that Osweiler is the best quarterback we have right now. However, it appear that most Browns fans still want Kessler to be the bridge to Kizer.
 
Brownsfan said:
Actually, we are sort of hoping for the Denver version of Osweiler to serve as a bridge to Kizer who isn't ready to start just yet. Unlike you guys last year, we are not expecting Osweiler to be our long term solution.
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Oh don't worry, he'll be the bridge to something regardless how he plays, just like last season.


Now whether or not that bridge leads to anything is the question...for both teams.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Oh don't worry, he'll be the bridge to something regardless how he plays, just like last season.

Now whether or not if that bridge leads to anything is the question...for both teams.
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Funny!

Seriously, we have hopes for Kizer and we understand that you are high on Watson.

How we get there may be the difference between success or failure.
 
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Regarding your mention of Osweiler not making the short throw, apparently you haven't seen him throw lately. As noted in the link supplied by Cloak, Browns fans are criticizing a hype video for being a "bunch of checkdown passes — none traveling more than 10 yards — all set to some rock music." As near as I can tell, he is making the short passes fine these days. (Probably due to his shorter stride.)
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That's exactly my point
 
Brownsfan said:
Regarding your mention of Osweiler not making the short throw, apparently you haven't seen him throw lately. As noted in the link supplied by Cloak, Browns fans are criticizing a hype video for being a "bunch of checkdown passes — none traveling more than 10 yards — all set to some rock music." As near as I can tell, he is making the short passes fine these days. (Probably due to his shorter stride.)
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Yep he makes those throws just fine... in the preseason
 
JB said:
Yep he makes those throws just fine... in the preseason
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I assume by that statement that Osweiler did fine in Houston in the preseason practices and preseason game, but then apparently lost accuracy after the season started. Assuming that to be the case, to what do you ascribe the change?

Possible explanations:

1) Deterioration of his fundamentals such as an over stride that caused the ball to sail?
2) A relatively weak OL that didn't protect him as well in the regular season as the preseason?
3) Failure to learn the playbook and indecision resulting in hurried throws?
4) Bad attitude and differences with the coaches about type of plays to be run?
5) Loss of confidence due to one or more of the above?

Do any of those possible causes make sense to you?
 
Brownsfan said:
I assume by that statement that Osweiler did fine in Houston in the preseason practices and preseason game, but then apparently lost accuracy after the season started. Assuming that to be the case, to what do you ascribe the change?

Possible explanations:

1) Deterioration of his fundamentals such as an over stride that caused the ball to sail?
2) A relatively weak OL that didn't protect him as well in the regular season as the preseason?
3) Failure to learn the playbook and indecision resulting in hurried throws?
4) Bad attitude and differences with the coaches about type of plays to be run?
5) Loss of confidence due to one or more of the above?

Do any of those possible causes make sense to you?
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all of the above...

But mostly just pulling your chain
 
thunderkyss said:
Yet here we criticise Brock for not being able to make the short throw & Tom Savage is the next Brady.

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I haven't read anywhere where fans are saying Savage is the next Brady. (Maybe Marcia Brady because he got injured here and there.) He is an unknown value that fans are eager to see. There is a sense of unknown excitement surrounding him. An under dog story that people love.

However, we have seen Brock. Up close. And he sucks. This is known.
 
JB said:
all of the above...
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Actually, I think the main problem with Osweiler is that he never was all that great in the first place.

He was relatively inexperienced when Smith signed him and had never performed at a level that would have justified the big contract he was given. Accordingly, expecting him to perform at that level was never really justified. Indeed, just looking at the stats, it is difficult to see a great deal of difference between 2015 in Denver and 2016 in Houston. In 2015, his average completion percentage was 61.8 and in 2016, it was 59.0. In wins and loses, he was 5-2 in Denver and 6-3 his first nine games in Houston. He didn't help himself his last 6 games before being benched, of course, but he was never all that great. In the best of circumstances in Denver, he was perhaps slightly above average. And that is probably about the absolutely best that the Browns should expect from Osweiler.

BTW, I was a little surprised that you didn't defend your OL against my scurrilous charge.

But mostly just pulling your chain
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So you admit that you were trolling me! :D
 
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I haven't read anywhere where fans are saying Savage is the next Brady. (Maybe Marcia Brady because he got injured here and there.) He is an unknown value that fans are eager to see. There is a sense of unknown excitement surrounding him. An under dog story that people love.
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It will be interesting to see how Savage and Watson will do tonight.

I saw where you were hoping for no injuries, but do you have a prediction? What do you think will happen?
 
Don't really understand the obsession to reject players that were ran out of here. Dude is a sorry ass QB. He's gone. Why are people still so enamored with him? Nothing interesting at all about him or his career at this point.
 
Texecutioner said:
Don't really understand the obsession to reject players that were ran out of here. Dude is a sorry ass QB. He's gone. Why are people still so enamored with him? Nothing interesting at all about him or his career at this point.
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It's preseason after a long offseason and we have run out of things to talk about. It happens every year.
 
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