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Police looking for Sean Taylor
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
From the article so you can get the gist without the link:
downtownsb
Practice Squad
sorry i diddnt know the rules on quotes and i was lazy. 
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not a rule, just you get more replies and some people are link averse so a tid-bit helps out. Welcome to the MB.
Okay, where are all those people who wanted to trade (more picks than for Babin) up for this guy...If he was in Washington concerning himself with playing he probably would not be in this bit of trouble.
i remember we held a fake live mock draft on this site, and i had control of the Redskins and traded away Sean Taylor. If i remember some people started throwing some cr*p my way and i just said that Taylor wouldnt work out in Washington. More proof i should be gm/coach or something.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
WWJD said:
He is a very young player, and he's played only one year under his rookie contract. Basically he's had a change of heart, and wants more money after the fact. He's definately a "rollercoaster" type of player, and I hope he'll start to settle down soon. I doubt it will happen though.
texasguy346 said:
Thanks for the info. Your post made me recollect an article I read recently..I didn't remember who it was about but now I realize it was about Sean. He's young and hopefully he's going to get his life straightened out and go play football the way he's capable. If not what a waste.
.... I'll admit that I wanted the texans to trade up for him, but how could anyone know he was like this? If he gets convicted or stays on this track, next time ESPN makes one of those 25 biggest NFL draft busts he'll be in the top 10. So much talent, so little smarts.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
This guy was giving off the creepy trouble vibe before he was drafted. Obviously there was something to that. It doesn't matter how much "talent" he has because he's nothing but trouble. By the end of his rookie contract nobody is going to care about Sean Taylor except Sean Taylor.
TexansCanes
Rookie
i will hold judgment until the whole story comes out because normally with athletes they report the worst case scenario. as of right know he is just a person of interest and it has yet to be seen if he did actually fire the shots, we only have second hand information about that. whether he is the victim, suspect, or witness will be found out soon enough, it doesn't help that it happened Wednesday and they haven't found him yet. i will continue to support the guy, but like with k2, it is getting harder. as for trading up for him, performance wise i still have no problem with it, but wouldn't trade d rob for st. as for the contract situation, the reason he wants a new deal is because he is upset with how his deal compares to the other players the drafted before and after him. he was the first to sign and his deal was the worst of the top 7 picks.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
ArlingtonTexan said:
Well, before everyone gets on the "I never wanted ST anyway" high horse, remember there was an extremely different perception about him as a person/player prior to the draft. I think you can ask anyone now that they'd rather have the draft fall like it did but that's easy to say over a year later.
I will admit I was suckered into the hype at the time but fortunately I think (hopefully) I'm one of those that learns his lesson the first time around.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
i was dang near president of the sean taylor fan club, and i still maintain that he could have been a beast here...obviously, things worked out for the best, and there is a reason ive never been given control of a non madden franchise, but maybe if he wasnt around a bunch of thugs he wouldnt...oh nevermind, screw it, i was wrong and i apologize
TexansNeedRBin05
Waterboy
swtbound07 said:
LOL!
Notice how all the Miami Guys in that draft didnt work out (Winslow Taylor etc.) Maybe there was something in the water or something?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
DRIFTAWAY said:
Our GM is doing just fine, however, the Astros probably could use some help....
Lucky said:
You mean Taylor wasn't just, "keepin it real"
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
done88 said:
Yes, I saw this late last night and it doesn't sound real great. There have been a number of problems with High Profile players this preseason. Money and perceived Power has a lot to do with it. Unfortunately what makes the headlines are the few malcontents and the vast majority of players who are really good citizens doing what good people do never make the headlines. You see it in every community across the land and world.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
How many of those complaining about the off-season moves this year were also screaming about trading up to get Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow. Perhaps there is a lesson in that somewhere?
i'll be the first to admitt sean taylor was the number one guy that year i wanted the texans to draft...and i'll admitt that this young man has some serious issues...i'm glad now that we did not get him and that we drafted D-ROB instead...i really feel for taylor the kid has all the talent in the world he just needs to get his head on straight
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
I was one that wanted to trade up for Taylor. However I think we have to take into account here the ORGANIZATIONS for which these players come into. I mean let's face it.....washington is a run away circus.
Houston's organization if nothing else is structured and having AJ here would have helped him a lot IMO.
It saddens me to see someone judging this kid instead of wanting to make sure he gets the proper help.
And you know what I can't say that if someone else came and robbed most of us we wouldn't have the desire to do the same thing he did. Of course that's us that actually don't believe the police are here for much more than to harrass us on a daily basis.
Houston's organization if nothing else is structured and having AJ here would have helped him a lot IMO.
It saddens me to see someone judging this kid instead of wanting to make sure he gets the proper help.
And you know what I can't say that if someone else came and robbed most of us we wouldn't have the desire to do the same thing he did. Of course that's us that actually don't believe the police are here for much more than to harrass us on a daily basis.
You can't control what people do away from the field, away from the office...he would have done the same thing here. If you don't have the maturity or the smarts to not get involved in these things you are bound to make the same mistakes over and over irregardless of geography. It has nothing to do with him being a Redskin. It has everything to do with him being a troubled person.
thats just pathetic. you would think that with this guy making a boat load of money playing the best game on earth would find a way to stay out of trouble. oh, and Vinny, whats up havent seen you post lately. I might have just missed ur posts though cause i usually just check new posts.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
So many people wanted the team to mortgage everything they had to trade up to get Sean Taylor. With the exceptional year Dunta had, I know everyone sees that Casserly and Co. knew what they were doing. With the latest off the field problems that Taylor has had I just want to say, thank you for avoiding that headache.
yep.
I was a sean taylor supporter.. but I didnt want us to sell the farm to get him.
Somewhat off topic.. but this is the first year since our inception that I have not felt that our Rookies needed to come in and make a big impact in order for us to move forward.. thats a good sign of how far we have come, and how close we are to being competitive.
I was a sean taylor supporter.. but I didnt want us to sell the farm to get him.
Somewhat off topic.. but this is the first year since our inception that I have not felt that our Rookies needed to come in and make a big impact in order for us to move forward.. thats a good sign of how far we have come, and how close we are to being competitive.
grandslam1
Waterboy
skins fans are very angry at hailredskins. I'm also a skins fan and it sucks that you're future star first sits out at camp and then does something like this...
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
It is amazing to me that ST can ask for a new contract one year into the contract.
There were reliable reports (Lance of 610 AM) that Casserly did attempt to trade up for Taylor on draft day. Had the Giants not made the deal with the Chargers for Manning, they may have moved back to #10 and taken Roethlisberger & the Texans would have taken Taylor at #4. So really, enough with the "for those that wanted Taylor posts". The Pats & about 20+ other teams wanted Taylor, as well. The Skins got him. And unless you're Miss Cleo, you didn't know the guy was going postal once he turned pro. Let's just say the Texans were one of the 31 fortunate teams that didn't select Taylor.TexanBacker93 said:
wags
Veteran
FOX NEWS ALERT
Redskins | Police and Courts: S. Taylor - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:04:43 -0700
Updating an ongoing storyline, the Associated Press reports Miami-Dade County police said Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor pointed a gun at someone Wednesday, June 1 during a dispute over two all terrain vehicles he claims the victims had stolen. Taylor, who was with others, left the scene but returned about 10 minutes later and assaulted one victim with his fists. Another man, Charles Elwood Caughman, threatened and chased another victim with a baseball bat, police said. Caughman was arrested later that day and charged with aggravated assault, police said. Police said the Redskins organization cooperated with them during the investigation. As previously noted, Taylor has been charged with aggravated assault with a firearm and simple battery. He was accompanied by his attorney, Fred Moldovan, when he turned himself in Saturday, June 4.
Redskins | Police and Courts: S. Taylor - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:04:43 -0700
Updating an ongoing storyline, the Associated Press reports Miami-Dade County police said Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor pointed a gun at someone Wednesday, June 1 during a dispute over two all terrain vehicles he claims the victims had stolen. Taylor, who was with others, left the scene but returned about 10 minutes later and assaulted one victim with his fists. Another man, Charles Elwood Caughman, threatened and chased another victim with a baseball bat, police said. Caughman was arrested later that day and charged with aggravated assault, police said. Police said the Redskins organization cooperated with them during the investigation. As previously noted, Taylor has been charged with aggravated assault with a firearm and simple battery. He was accompanied by his attorney, Fred Moldovan, when he turned himself in Saturday, June 4.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Lucky said:
Lucky, if the Texans wanted Taylor bad enough they would have made a move to get him regardless of the other trades. I don't see anywhere in my post that I claim to have known he was going to be this type of guy. I'm happy the Texans didn't get him. If he fell I would have wanted them to take him, but he didn't and it worked out for the best for the Texans.
It takes 2 sides to make a deal. It's not like Casserly can impose his will on all other GMs. Just because the deal didn't happen doesn't mean the Texans didn't want Taylor "bad". And my use of the phrase "unless you're Miss Cleo" meant anyone pro/con drafting Taylor, Casserly included. Not "you" specifically. But if you, TexanBacker93, actually are Miss Cleo, I apologize.TexanBacker93 said:
Hey, I give the Texans all the kudos for selecting Dunta, but praising them for being 1 of 31 teams that didn't take Taylor is a little much. But like the great philosopher & poet Mick Jagger once said, "You can't always get what you want...but if try sometimes, you get what you need."
If I remember correctly, the "character issues" associated with Taylor before the draft revovled around him not being coachable. The issues with DUI and now violence were not discussed.
caddy said:When your collage teamates, say your not a team player.
You Mods don't see a RED flag pop up.
No I don't...
My point more exactly, TO is not a "team" player, but he is not off shooting up houses, driving drunk and holding out on contracts he signed a year ago (oops, well 2 or 3 not bad).
Plenty of guys in all sports who are not ideal teammates, but stay their rear end out trouble and show up on game day and play that same tail off.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
They say TO is actually one of the hardest working guys in the NFL and has gained a reputation as that. Taylor only has a reputation of a high draft pick that commits felonies so far so there's nothing good to balance out the bad yet (character wise anyway)
Not that I could suggest anything that compensates for recklessly shooting at houses.
Not that I could suggest anything that compensates for recklessly shooting at houses.
caddy said:Football, is a team sport to the Max.. If you don't get with
the team... life can be total hell. Skills are great, but if you
think you all that with out the team.. life can suddenly get
very tough. I would say that, is the 1st thing learned by every kid who ever suited up for football.
If the coach doesn't get rid of him... the players will. But you
show me that a Mod spot here, has got you name on it.
In reviewing players for the draft, i read profiles of 500-600 players. Of those, 150-200 every year have some mention of "character concerns" or "not good teammates," etc...Those things range from kids who missed class twice or had one argument with a coach to those pulling a 105lb women down stairs by the hair. If there is a criticism, it is not of me or anyone who is getting this information filtered through 5 or 6 people, but the organizations who spend countless hours and tons of money investigating the backgrounds of these players.
A couple of things, I know some former players personally who spent a long time in the league and if you asked them which would they rather...a guy whose is a pain in the tail and maybe not even a "nice" guy but shows and does his job on the field or the "great guy" limited skilled teammate, with out question it is the first. For these players, your primary job as a teammate is to take care of your responsibility on the field. Until your personality interferes with the job being done on the field, players don't care if you are an arrogant self centered jerk or the world's greatest humanitarian.
caddy said:
Bad teammate does not equate with a guy shooting in a house, etc. or even translate he does not belong on the team. Different sport, but see Barry Bonds.
You have a "pie in the sky" notion of people saying someone is bad teammate and of the idea of "team". My point is that there are plenty of bad teammates and at least a couple on every team (no matter what is said publically). Again, players only care about a dude showing up on gameday doing his part, even the ones saying Taylor( or whoever) is a not a good teammate.
Redskins | Police & Courts: Taylor Could Face Prison Time - from www.KFFL.comF-minus67 said:
Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:10:55 -0700
Updating ongoing reports, Jody Foldesy, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor could face a mandatory minimum sentence of at least three years in prison if convicted of a felony charge of aggravated assault with a firearm. Taylor has been charged with aggravated assault with a firearm, which is a third-degree felony, and simple assault, which is a first-degree misdemeanor.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
edo783
Hall of Fame
TEXANS84 said:
This is the correct jail time item. If he had discharged the weapon (turns out he didn't) then 20 years would have been the number. However, keep in mind these are the charges BEFORE any plea bargining. By the time that is done with, he may only be charged with jay walking.
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
I disagree with the fact that you think an organization has nothing to do with it. These organizations are here to teach and install discipline for not only what u do on the field but to provide help with what you do OFF it. Yes in the end its up to you to make the decisions but let's not kid ourselves like the organization isn't there to help prep you on what is out there.
These kids have no idea of the things that face them. Who cares what game you play or how much money you make! It doesnt change the life you've had to live for the past 20 years before all the money. Most of them are coming from environments of poverty, crime, and where sports are more important than academics or mentral prep.
The only thing MONEY does is provide you the opportunity to do something dumber on a grander scale. Though I'm sure most of you never had to face the odds these kids faced coming up. I'm not condoning what he did but I also understand that Taylor has probably been able to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted and gotten away with it b/c that's just how we treat gifted athletes from the moment we NOTICE they have athletic talent.
These kids have no idea of the things that face them. Who cares what game you play or how much money you make! It doesnt change the life you've had to live for the past 20 years before all the money. Most of them are coming from environments of poverty, crime, and where sports are more important than academics or mentral prep.
The only thing MONEY does is provide you the opportunity to do something dumber on a grander scale. Though I'm sure most of you never had to face the odds these kids faced coming up. I'm not condoning what he did but I also understand that Taylor has probably been able to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted and gotten away with it b/c that's just how we treat gifted athletes from the moment we NOTICE they have athletic talent.