Players I could live with in the first round

[rmartin65]

Interesting comparison, I can see your point.

спасибо

I should come clean, Jackson is one of my underdog players that I am pulling for. Hard working kid with the desire to play. If he gets into a camp, he will stick on someone's squad.

Also, how cut does Ivey look!? 340 pound guys are not supposed to look like that. I have been researching him the last couple days (moving through my DT rankings, this class is stacked), and he is really impressive. He is not highly regarded because of injuries, but he is worth a flyer (if the Texans were into huge Dts, which they are not).

 

[awtysst]

This is what I always think about with Mays - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU

Yeah, he is a penalty machine. that hit where he knocks out 2 players is a helmet to helmet hit. A 15 yard penalty that we cannot afford to give up. I say no thanks.

 

[awtysst]

But he hits like Ronnie Lott in his prime.

Helmet to helmet penalties were not called in Ronnie Lott's time.

 

[awtysst]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Mays. He was a top 10 talent last year, who made a mistake staying and got nitpicked to death. He will be a dominant safety, just not the ballhawk that everyone is after.

I gotta disagree with this. Mays got exposed for what he really is. Its easy to be an awesome head hunting safety when you have 2 NFL rookie probowl linebackers playing in front of you. Then factor in that the third starting LB was taken in the 2nd round, a starting DT in the second, rotational LB in the 4th, starting DE in the 4th, starting CB in the 6th, and his partner safety was drafted in the 6th. So basically as a collegiate he was playing with 8 other players that were drafted into the NFL!

Without the help of 8 NFL players, he got exposed.

 

[rmartin65]

I gotta disagree with this. Mays got exposed for what he really is. Its easy to be an awesome head hunting safety when you have 2 NFL rookie probowl linebackers playing in front of you. Then factor in that the third starting LB was taken in the 2nd round, a starting DT in the second, rotational LB in the 4th, starting DE in the 4th, starting CB in the 6th, and his partner safety was drafted in the 6th. So basically as a collegiate he was playing with 8 other players that were drafted into the NFL!

Without the help of 8 NFL players, he got exposed.

Valid points. His physical ability is incredible though, he is one of the few players that I would gamble on like that. He has that kind of potential. And in the 20s, it is not to bad to gamble. If anything, we have a hell of a special teamer (I know, not what you look for in a number 1 pick, but the fact remains). The Texans have a solid front 7, if they can get another DT.

Still, he is not my first, second or third choice. He is just a pick I would not be complaining about too much.

 

[JB]

Picture comparison:

Terrence Cody (349 lbs)- 1st/2nd round

I have doubts that Cody will ever see 350 lbs again...

 

[rmartin65]

I have doubts that Cody will ever see 350 lbs again...

The problem is, he has to. His game is being an "immovable object" in the middle, something that worked at the college level, but wont at the pro. He has to stay big, because he is surprisingly weak, only 22 bench reps. 22, that is pathetic for someone that big.

 

[JB]

The problem is, he has to. His game is being an "immovable object" in the middle, something that worked at the college level, but wont at the pro. He has to stay big, because he is surprisingly weak, only 22 bench reps. 22, that is pathetic for someone that big.

The point I was making was that I dont think that Cody will ever be 350 or under again. I think he is going to have massive weight issues...pun intended.

 

[rmartin65]

The point I was making was that I dont think that Cody will ever be 350 or under again. I think he is going to have massive weight issues...pun intended.

Oops, my bad, I misunderstood your post.

I feel the same way though.

 

[beerlover]

weight for him seems mute, its all about his core strength, which bench doesn't measure.

maybe monster truck pull @ combine for DT's? that would be a way to measure a guys strength:weight ratio.

 

[rmartin65]

weight for him seems mute, its all about his core strength, which bench doesn't measure.

maybe monster truck pull @ combine for DT's? that would be a way to measure a guys strength:weight ratio.

I see what you are saying, and I agree; bench press is not the end all measurement for strength. And I dont think that he is going to get washed out on every play. I just dont think he is going to push the pocket at all. And I think that it is quite possible that he does not dominate double teams like he did in college.

 

[steelbtexan]

I see what you are saying, and I agree; bench press is not the end all measurement for strength. And I dont think that he is going to get washed out on every play. I just dont think he is going to push the pocket at all. And I think that it is quite possible that he does not dominate double teams like he did in college.

I agree with your premise

Saban called Cody a guy that had to be double teamed every down.

I wouldn't draft Cody in the 1st beause there's a 50/50 chance he will have eaten himself out of league by the time his contract is up.

 

[Maddict5]

Valid points. His physical ability is incredible though, he is one of the few players that I would gamble on like that. He has that kind of potential. And in the 20s, it is not to bad to gamble. If anything, we have a hell of a special teamer (I know, not what you look for in a number 1 pick, but the fact remains). The Texans have a solid front 7, if they can get another DT.

Still, he is not my first, second or third choice. He is just a pick I would not be complaining about too much.

safety is one of the positions where being an incredible athlete doesnt help that much. what makes polamalu and reed etc so special? both are decent athletes (that ran a good bit slower than mays coming out) but it their instincts that make them what they are. same with sharper- i doubt he could crack a 4.7 last year and he still had a good year.... and mays has very poor instincts from what ive seen

 

[threetoedpete]

I guess I'd like to see a player show it when it counts rather than when they are wearing shorts

The other part of it is Pat Hill tends to drive one guy, just like Gary Kubiak. If he came off the field on third and longs it could just be a function of giving the lead stud back a blow. They had quite a few backs on the roster at Fresno St.. So what was it about his combine performance that tends to lead you to believe he has brick layers hands ? I thought he looked very natural catching the ball. Not as good as Little David Anderson but a lot more natural than the hammer, Vonta Leach.

 

[threetoedpete]

safety is one of the positions where being an incredible athlete doesnt help that much. what makes polamalu and reed etc so special? both are decent athletes (that ran a good bit slower than mays coming out) but it their instincts that make them what they are. same with sharper- i doubt he could crack a 4.7 last year and he still had a good year.... and mays has very poor instincts from what ive seen

Wow. I hope your great great grand children don't find this one.

If Earls on the board, I've got him at 17 to Frisco, he's the pick. Perfect fit to go along with Pollard.

And just for the record, Polamlu ran like a corner and played liked a MLB in college. He didn't have the feet or hips for corner, but he hit a ton and made a ton of plays. Very instinctive player. Perfect player for the Steelers attacking 3-4 defense. You got a perfect guy on the board that fits what you do, you take him. What I will agree with you on is from my perspective, Gary Kubiak has his vision of what he wants his Safeties to be. Earl Thomas may not fit that vision. Also, they might just have a hard line on the position in terms of cap dollars. It might be that Smith and Kubiak have decided that they will not wreck the cap with an elite safety. If Iupati is off the board and Tomas is there, I run to the podium with the card. Just me, he looks perfect for our defense.