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Players I could live with in the first round

kiwitexansfan

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These are the people I would like to see called for us in the first round. I've listed them in order of my preference. (subject to change at a moments notice)

Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh, Eric Berry - surely not going to be there at 20 but I would be stoked to have any of them.

Earl Thomas - He'd be the best safety we've ever had the moment he stepped on the field.... kind of sad really.

CJ Spiller - I love his explosive potential, a game changer.

Joe Haden - A good cover cornerback.... haven't seen one of those since Aaron Glenn....

Kyle Wilson - Another good cover corner with ball skills, yes please.

Taylor Mays - POTENTIAL plus... Cushing believes in him... I think his down year reflected lack of talent around him and him trying to fill the hole and getting sloppy because of it...

Ryan Matthews - Good vision, power, ball security. Lacks a bit of long speed but should be productive.

Brian Price - I really like a DT who can disrupt up the middle. If you can get your front four generating pressure it gives you more coverage options.

Sergio Kindle - What can I say, I love pass rushers. I don't know if he can play on the other side of Demeco and Cushing, but I would love to see him given a chance, if not he can join Williams and Barwin in a QB terrorising rotation.
 
for me, it'd be these guys.

Earl Thomas
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Kyle Wilson

maybe, maybe taylor mays. and i dont really like drafting rbs in the first round, when we still need more work on defesne. im a longhorn fan btw, but do we really need sergio kindle?
 
SteveSlaton20 said:
for me, it'd be these guys.

Earl Thomas
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Kyle Wilson

maybe, maybe taylor mays. and i dont really like drafting rbs in the first round, when we still need more work on defesne. im a longhorn fan btw, but do we really need sergio kindle?
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Need, no. I think that an extra pass rusher and versatile defensive piece can't hurt though.....

And he'd be perfect for when we go back to the 3-4!! (dreams are free)
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I'm surprised the Texans are so keen when Matthews is not a proven pass catcher or pass blocker.

I thought that was a high priority for this offense?
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Being able to do those things as well is part of why he is often called a complete back.

Blocking: Can be a devastating blocker in pass protection, especially against a blitzing safety or linebacker. Keeps shoulders square, rolls hips and uncoils body into pass rushers. Shows sufficient skills to play immediately on third downs. Grade: 8.5

Hands/routes: Shows soft hands and ability to adjust to off-target passes. Is most effective on screens and checkdowns. Is more likely to break a tackle than evade anyone on wheel, swing or angle routes. Grade: 8.0
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Link
 
infantrycak said:
Being able to do those things as well is part of why he is often called a complete back.



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Hmmm I read this...

Pass Catching: Only 19 career receptions. Was often taken off the field on passing downs. Does not have a lot of experience running routes. Rare to see the ball thrown his way.

Pass Blocking: Does not have as much experience as a pass blocker as you would like. However he is capable. Shows aggression and strength when stepping to defend the blitz. Willing to stick his hat in there. Does not hold a block well, basically a one pop blocker.

19 catches is a pretty small sample size
 
I Like Matthews a lot. Does anyone think Spiller is going to be a Reggie Bust instead of Walter Payton? The guy's kinda smallish 5-10 190something for an every down back in the NFL.
 
DocBar said:
I Like Matthews a lot. Does anyone think Spiller is going to be a Reggie Bust instead of Walter Payton? The guy's kinda smallish 5-10 190something for an every down back in the NFL.
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So was Tony Dorsett. The running style is more important than the size. Reggie was a dancer which I think is one of the main reasons the Texans didn't take him. His instincts are wrong for this system.
 
DocBar said:
I Like Matthews a lot. Does anyone think Spiller is going to be a Reggie Bust instead of Walter Payton? The guy's kinda smallish 5-10 190something for an every down back in the NFL.
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I don't envision him as an every down back, he is a strike weapon in the run, pass and return game.

I think between he, Slaton and Foster we can carry the load.
 
infantrycak said:
So was Tony Dorsett. The running style is more important than the size. Reggie was a dancer which I think is one of the main reasons the Texans didn't take him. His instincts are wrong for this system.
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That's true enough, also, no one really uses a 1 back system anymore. They had him on Sirius NFL radio yesterday and he sounds like a great kid. I really don't know much about him at all, though, which is why I asked.
 
Cushing had immediate impact, could not practice yet was everydown LB. Mathews in Kubiak/Dennison system is a three down back, only spell him to rest/keep fresh. enter Slaton, Foster.

From everything I've seen Ryan catches the ball naturally, very fluid. Texans want to really improve running game (helps play action & keeps Schaub upright) he's the quickest solution.

I'm very sensitive to comments comparing Spiller with Bush. They are not at all alike (what, just because they both have speed & play RB?) Reggie is a slasher, avoids contact, uses vision to find space & out run pursuit to angles. Spiller is more stout/compact, patient cut-back inside-out runner with large hands (helps receiving & ball control) considered by some a better prospect comng ot of College than Chris Johnson which is who he should be compared to. I could live with either in first rd.

BL
 
The problem with Spiller is, he wont be available. Matthews is really the only feasible option for first round running back.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
These are the people I would like to see called for us in the first round. I've listed them in order of my preference. (subject to change at a moments notice)

Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh, Eric Berry - surely not going to be there at 20 but I would be stoked to have any of them.

Earl Thomas - He'd be the best safety we've ever had the moment he stepped on the field.... kind of sad really.

CJ Spiller - I love his explosive potential, a game changer.

Joe Haden - A good cover cornerback.... haven't seen one of those since Aaron Glenn....

Kyle Wilson - Another good cover corner with ball skills, yes please.

Taylor Mays - POTENTIAL plus... Cushing believes in him... I think his down year reflected lack of talent around him and him trying to fill the hole and getting sloppy because of it...

Ryan Matthews - Good vision, power, ball security. Lacks a bit of long speed but should be productive.

Brian Price - I really like a DT who can disrupt up the middle. If you can get your front four generating pressure it gives you more coverage options.

Sergio Kindle - What can I say, I love pass rushers. I don't know if he can play on the other side of Demeco and Cushing, but I would love to see him given a chance, if not he can join Williams and Barwin in a QB terrorising rotation.
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I agree with you Kiwi. I could live with one of mentioned players.

Go Texans!!!
 
I'd be nervous/excited about Taylor Mays. So much potential...but just as much of a potential bust.
 
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kiwitexansfan said:
Yeah, he is a potential home run, or a potential strike out..... but if he worked out...
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it wouldnt hurt my feelings if we drafted mays, though i'd prefer thomas as a natural centerfielder ... mays would show quite a bit of cahones from management. mays has very big bust potential when we're looking for more of a coverage safety, but i dont think his floor is quite as low as some are predicting, while his ceiling is obviously sky high - even approaching polomalu. most intriguing with mays is pollard and wilson. pollard's a young buck, knocks the piss out of anyone dumb enough to get too close, and can intercept manning ... wilson's a great offseason example of how to play space and read situations. along with the coaching staff, that's a good combination for an athlete like mays to draw humility, insight, and inspiration (and you know cushing and ryans would wear his ass out for every mistake).

i liked what mays did at the senior bowl, accepting criticism about his tendancy for going after the player and lack of ball instincts - and then grabbing an interception out of cover 3. if he's coachable, it's hard to argue against a guy so similar to last year's grand slam (brian cushing), especially when another example of extreme potential worked out so well in mario williams.
 
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Scooter said:
it wouldnt hurt my feelings if we drafted mays, though i'd prefer thomas as a natural centerfielder ... mays would show quite a bit of cahones from management. mays has very big bust potential when we're looking for more of a coverage safety, but i dont think his floor is quite as low as some are predicting, while his ceiling is obviously sky high - even approaching polomalu. most intriguing with mays is pollard and wilson. pollard's a young buck, knocks the piss out of anyone dumb enough to get too close, and can intercept manning ... wilson's a great offseason example of how to play space and read situations. along with the coaching staff, that's a good combination for an athlete like mays to draw humility, insight, and inspiration (and you know cushing and ryans would wear his ass out for every mistake).

i liked what mays did at the senior bowl, accepting criticism about his tendancy for going after the player and lack of ball instincts - and then grabbing an interception out of cover 3. if he's coachable, it's hard to argue against a guy so similar to last year's grand slam (brian cushing), especially when another example of extreme potential worked out so well in mario williams.
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Good post, I starting to talk myself into Mays.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Mays. He was a top 10 talent last year, who made a mistake staying and got nitpicked to death. He will be a dominant safety, just not the ballhawk that everyone is after.
 
One of our biggest problems is converting in goal-line situations. Thus, finding a RB with some strength that can pound it in inside the 5-yard line is crucial. Whats tough is that its rare to find big strong backs that can do that and also be a weapon in the passing game. I feel like Ryan Mathews is one of those rare guys who can do it all, and do it all well. I really liked what I saw of him pass-catching-wise at the combine and his one-cut style seems like it would fit our blocking scheme very nicely.

C.J. Spiller, while a a dangerous runner, can't be the type of goal-line hammer we need, plus he has such a similar skill set to Steve Slaton.

These are the players I could live with in the 1st (in no particular order) with my favorites in bold:

C - Maurkice Pouncey
S/CB - Earl Thomas
RB - Ryan Mathews
DT - Jared Odrick
OG - Mike Iupati
CB -Joe Haden
CB - Kyle Wilson
OT - Trent Williams
S - Taylor Mays (though I would be nervous, also)
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Good post, I starting to talk myself into Mays.
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Ya me too. For the longest time I didn't want to touch him in the first round, but it sure would be exciting to have someone with that speed back there. He might not come up with a ton of interceptions but he will have the QBs thinking about his whereabouts on the field.
 
Players I could live with in the First Round.

No particular order.

Taylor Mays
Ryan Mathews
Mike Iupati
Earl Thomas
Maurkice Pouncey
Dan Williams
Patrick Robinson
Kyle Wilson
 
Super Mario said:
Players I could live with in the First Round.

No particular order.

Taylor Mays
Ryan Mathews
Mike Iupati
Earl Thomas
Maurkice Pouncey
Dan Williams
Patrick Robinson
Kyle Wilson
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I agree with this list for the players we have a shot at. However Robinson concerns me and I think maybe Kareem Jackson would be a better fit.

Robinson has great talent, but a lot of questions about his work ethic.
 
JB said:
I agree with this list for the players we have a shot at. However Robinson concerns me and I think maybe Kareem Jackson would be a better fit.

Robinson has great talent, but a lot of questions about his work ethic.
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Hey I just dont wanna have to get rid of my #23 Robinson jersey. :spin:
 
Taylor Mays scares the hell out of me. I thought he was overrated when he was thinking of comming out as a Jr. Still same problem. He has very poor instincts. He is a WLB who runs a 4.3.
 
BigBull17 said:
Taylor Mays scares the hell out of me. I thought he was overrated when he was thinking of comming out as a Jr. Still same problem. He has very poor instincts. He is a WLB who runs a 4.3.
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agreed. just from watching the vid below, you can see he doesnt play fast, gets fooled easily in coverage & constantly makes the wrong reads against college qbs nvm him facing peyton twice a year (yikes). and when he does get there, hes always playing the man. in run d, he goes for the big shoulder charge tackle too often, hardly any proper form tackling. any decent nfl back would juke him easily when he does that. i wouldnt take him in the 2nd rd tbh. imo he has bust written all over him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi2kBxeXOsc&feature=related
 
Really the more I sit and think about it there are just a ton of players that I could not only live with but I would be legitimately thrilled to get in round one. Rick is going to have to throw a major curveball for me not to be doing my best :splits: impression. In no particular order:

Earl Thomas: The thought of having someone that could become eerily similar to Ed Reed...

Ryan Mathews: I love his running style and his build seems like the new prototype for the NFL (Jones-Drew, DeAngelo Williams, Ray Rice etc.).

Taylor Mays: I think he is being nit-picked to death. Probably the most physically gifted safety to ever enter the NFL and I think he is a football player.

C.J. Spiller: Could take our offense and special teams to the next level.

Kyle Wilson: I honestly believe he would be an immediate upgrade over Dunta and a fantastic long-term option.

Brian Price: I think he could play nose or 3-tech for us and I just love the way that he lives in the opponents backfield. Great attitude and work ethic to boot.

Sean Weatherspoon: Not an ideal match in regards to need but this guy is a stud and adding him could make our LBs an all-time unit.

Joe Haden: One of the best pure football players in the draft, without a shaky combine we wouldn't have a shot at him.

After this I guess I can toss in a couple guys I could simply "live with."

Dan Williams: I believe our run D has made a legit turnaround but there is always room for improvement.

Mike Iupati: Big fan of his but I think he is a bit raw and we have bigger fish to fry.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Really the more I sit and think about it there are just a ton of players that I could not only live with but I would be legitimately thrilled to get in round one. Rick is going to have to throw a major curveball for me not to be doing my best :splits: impression. In no particular order:

Earl Thomas: The thought of having someone that could become eerily similar to Ed Reed...

Ryan Mathews: I love his running style and his build seems like the new prototype for the NFL (Jones-Drew, DeAngelo Williams, Ray Rice etc.).

Taylor Mays: I think he is being nit-picked to death. Probably the most physically gifted safety to ever enter the NFL and I think he is a football player.

C.J. Spiller: Could take our offense and special teams to the next level.

Kyle Wilson: I honestly believe he would be an immediate upgrade over Dunta and a fantastic long-term option.

Brian Price: I think he could play nose or 3-tech for us and I just love the way that he lives in the opponents backfield. Great attitude and work ethic to boot.

Sean Weatherspoon: Not an ideal match in regards to need but this guy is a stud and adding him could make our LBs an all-time unit.

Joe Haden: One of the best pure football players in the draft, without a shaky combine we wouldn't have a shot at him.

After this I guess I can toss in a couple guys I could simply "live with."

Dan Williams: I believe our run D has made a legit turnaround but there is always room for improvement.

Mike Iupati: Big fan of his but I think he is a bit raw and we have bigger fish to fry.
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JC I'm pretty much 100% in agreement with you..except Mays. I think he's a reach and not worth drafting when we already have a hard hitting Pollard.

BUT...call me crazy, if we drafted a surprising pick like Weatherspoon I'd be elated! Everything I've read indicates a natural born leader who has a true passion for the game. Dude's got some serious game.

I'd crap my pants out of shock if we selected any DE, TE or WR in the 1st 3 rounds. I might drive to Reliant and burn the mother down.
 
Spled said:
Any thoughts on us taking Terrence Cody at 20? 350 pounds will plug some running lanes.
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Hell to the freaking no.

Cody is one of the most overrated players in this draft. He is a ball of fat, thats not as strong as he should be, for his size. He does not push the pocket at all, he just holds his ground. He is lazy (not working to get his weight down), and seems like one of those players who will sign the contract and be done.

You want a fat ass to clog the lines? Take Maryland's Travis Ivey in the 6th. He actually carries his 340+ pounds ok. I actually think he is the better player, but that is just me. Or Kean's Darryl Jackson as an UDFA.

Or draft a legitimate DT (can rush the passer and play the run) in the middle round, someone like Linval Joseph or Jeff Owens.

Sorry if this post comes off harsh, it is not meant to be. Its just that Cody, out of such an incredible DT class, is not one of the better ones, despite the media's attempt to portray him as one.
 
rmartin65 said:
Ha, yeah.

I am almost positive that Cody will be a bust in this league. Kind of like the JaMarcus Russell of DTs.
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Maybe more like the Travis Johnson of Dt. Afterall, he was the highest rated 3 technique coming out...
 
rmartin65 said:
I dont know the exact stats, but I would not doubt it. It seems like it though, eh?
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According to this, about 33% of 1st round DT turn out to be busts.

Worst defensive position for defensive players. But safer than QB, RB and WR.

Interestingly though, also the 2nd highest pro bowl percentage after S.
 
Picture comparison:

Terrence Cody (349 lbs)- 1st/2nd round
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Travis Ivey (341 lbs)- 6th round
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Both are 6'4"

Or even Darryl Jackson (348 lbs) and 6'1"- UDFA
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kiwitexansfan said:
According to this, about 33% of 1st round DT turn out to be busts.

Worst defensive position for defensive players. But safer than QB, RB and WR.

Interestingly though, also the 2nd highest pro bowl percentage after S.
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Hmm, that is pretty cool. I guess it means if you dont draft a bust, then odds are you have a damn good player.
 
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