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Plaxico Burress

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not sure who the dude was but he said that Burress was supposed to visit Houston tommorow. Not sure how reliable this guy is, he's the same one that said Mason was going to Jacksonville...
 
Half of the league said Mason was likely going to Jacksonville (including ESPN and SI) so don't judge too harshly on that one point.
 
Its too early to speculate on contract, but Mason stole a lot of his thunder. I know Plax has said he wants a warm-weather team. I suppose the question will be how important that is to him. While some have said he's looking to be #1, he's made other comments that implied he wants the ball more (and Pitt runs an offense that makes even us look downright Martzian) and doesn't care much about #1 vs. #2. I think it's reasonable to note that Andre Johnson would pull a lot more secondary attention than Hines Ward. Not bashing on Ward, who's one of my favorite non-Texan players, but he's not a deep threat in anyone's book. Also probably important to him is there's no clear challenger for the #2 spot on the Texans, so Burress wouldn't have to worry about losing his starting spot.
 
This is the one guy out there that can have more of an effect on the furture of this team than anyone else avalible. Just look how it changes your mock draft. Great to pair with A.J., who would be #1? If you only get 1 player, this should be it.
 
Burress is awesome. Isn't he the reciever during the first Pats-Steelers game in the commercail that gave the ball to the kids in the stands?
 
I agree with everyone that Burress would be great for the Texans. I'm just not convinced Burress thinks the Texans would be great for him, so I worry about the money necessary to pull such a deal off.

If we did sign him, our people better find a way to protect Carr, because passing will need to ramp up to make proper use of the guy.
 
If this is all true and Plax signs, we will be sitten' pretty with a good idea of what we need in the draft. That takes care of our little #2 WR problem. So we could go after BPA in the draft (i.e. DJ, Pac-Man, T. Davis), D- Line, or O-Line.
and that would make life a whole lot easier.

I just dont know how his contract would affect our cap and rookie signing ability.
 
cptnbreakdance said:
So we could go after BPA in the draft (i.e. DJ, Pac-Man, T. Davis), D- Line, or O-Line and that would make life a whole lot easier.
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It doesn't matter if we get Burress or any other high name free agent, Cass has already stated we will take BPA anytime.
 
cptnbreakdance said:
If this is all true and Plax signs, we will be sitten' pretty with a good idea of what we need in the draft. That takes care of our little #2 WR problem. So we could go after BPA in the draft (i.e. DJ, Pac-Man, T. Davis), D- Line, or O-Line.
and that would make life a whole lot easier.

I just dont know how his contract would affect our cap and rookie signing ability.
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ya, but its not like we ever go after the big players anyways. but ya never know, this could be the year.
 
Plax is a great reciever and I would love to have him on the Texans. I hope he really wants warm weather, because Houston does have it. We are also a great franchise and I hope he sees that if he actually is coming to visit. I am actually really excited about the oppurtunity of maybe getting him, that would be awesome. :thumbup
 
Panther5407 said:
Burress is awesome. Isn't he the reciever during the first Pats-Steelers game in the commercail that gave the ball to the kids in the stands?
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Twas him, but that shouldnt put aside any maturity issues that may have been presented about him. Moss gave balls to disabled kids a few times last season and he clearly still has maturity issues.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Twas him, but that shouldnt put aside any maturity issues that may have been presented about him. Moss gave balls to disabled kids a few times last season and he clearly still has maturity issues.
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O ya I know, I was just checking. All in all though, he seems to be a pretty good guy but with my luck he probally has done stuff I didnt know about.
 
Texans Pride said:
It doesn't matter if we get Burress or any other high name free agent, Cass has already stated we will take BPA anytime.
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Enough about this "BPA" non-sense! It's a total cover-up! It's like when you were a kid and your parents told you, "just do the best you can" and what they really meant was, "Slaughter everybody!"
 
I guess i didnt make it that clear, what i was saying was that we dont have to worry about WR IF Plax signs, we would go after BPA anyway but that just takes the WR BLA off the list, Cross your fingers
 
Marc Vandermeer: Texans to the line, 2 receivers left and right. 3rd and 14 from the Jaguar 34...Carr back to pass, flushed to his right, throws over the middle...its caught by Burress at the 15, at the 10, the 5..HES IN!!! ROCK N ROLL! TOUCHDOWN HOUSTON!!!

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Just a lil wishful thinking. :thumbup
 
:woot If our biggest need is the DL / OL and you pass on ( fill in the blank ) to take Alex Barron . Alex is a 7.0 on a scale of 1-10 and you pass on an 8.5 and two 8.0s for him . Next year you have a chance to get a 7.5 OT with the 22 pick but wait we drafted Barron who's a 7.0 last year at 13 . :thumbdown
 
Vinny said:
It's not nonsense, its reality. It costs too much money to take lesser talent and pay them like more talented players. BPA is pretty much a given in the top half of the first round unless you are looking at two prospects with the same kind of grades. Dunta Robinson was BPA last year. That worked out fairly well.
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That was because we needed a corner. If we needed a running back we would have gotten Steven Jackson or if we needed a TE we would have gotten Winslow. They were rated #1 at their positions. If that were the case we wouldn't have picked Carr in our first draft. He wasn't the best player available, he was the best player at the position we needed to fill. That's my point. If we wanted best player then, we would have gone with Peppers, Shockey or even Mike Williams at OT wouldn't have been a bad #1.
 
Dionysus22 said:
If that were the case we wouldn't have picked Carr in our first draft. He wasn't the best player available, he was the best player at the position we needed to fill.
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IMO Carr was the BPA. 4300 yards and 42 TD's is pretty good.
 
:thumbup I remember Carr getting a good grade . The Texans also liked Carr for his demeanor . He was the top ranked QB with a wife and baby . He was a well grounded player at the most important position on the field . He was to be the face of the team . Not many could do this and stay focused .
 
all i'm gonna say about the possiblity of burress coming to houston is this...if you pair him and andre up you are gonna have one of the tallest receiver duos in the country...you're gonna be giving carr no reason not to throw the ball 40+ times a game and we'll have to get better o-lineman...our offense will have to be a pass first run second offense...deep routes will have to come into play more...and i think it'll make watching the texans play a lot more fun...now realistically do i think this is gonna happen...no...i think casserly is sticking to his guns about not signing any big time contracts which is sad cause sometimes i think we need to...especially with 16 million under the cap
 
after signing payne to possibly 4mil a year. and and faggins to 1mil.. and putting aside about 5 mil for rookies.. and maybe another few mil for any other minor signings we do (like Greenwood or whatever his name is).. we are looking more like 4-5 million under the cap.
 
Grid said:
after signing payne to possibly 4mil a year. .
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Payne's cap hit this year will almost certainly be less than 4 mil--they almost always back load contracts. His prorated signing bonus is like $1.15. His salary may be similar for a cap hit of about $2.5 mil.
 
Vinny said:
Marcus Coleman had a fine year the year before. He was one of the league leaders in interceptions and passes defensed. CB was not a great need.

How do you know that the Texans didn't have as high a grade on Carr as they had on Peppers? Also, you are assuming that the team figured he could play OLB. He isn't a 3-4 lineman.

Shockey? Come on man...weak. Nobody had him pegged for a 1st overall.

Williams projected to a possible Guard...no way you take him first overall.


psst...Winslow was not available.
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We all knew a change was coming to corner. We made that apparent when they asked us, "Who do you want?" We said from the jump we wanted a corner. I thought it might be D'angelo Hall but Dunta did better at his pro-day.

Peppers was versatile. A dominate force at DE, like he is now, or a pass rushing OLB like Julian Peterson.

Shockey was high on everybody's list. If you had to choose on who was the better player overall at the time, Shockey or Carr, who would you choose?

As far as Williams goes, Buffalo thought he could play some ball picking him #4 over-all.

I know Winslow wasn't available but you get my point.
 
well id still say its unlikely we have more than 6-7 million to blow. Which may be enough to sign Plax but I dont know that its a very good idea. you cant go and pick up some huge contract every offseason. We are already close to the cap. I dont want to see us rebuilding in a few years.
 
My whole point about the BPA is that if you're gonna say BPA, at least say BPA at their position and the position we're needing.
 
Grid said:
well id still say its unlikely we have more than 6-7 million to blow. Which may be enough to sign Plax but I dont know that its a very good idea. you cant go and pick up some huge contract every offseason. We are already close to the cap. I dont want to see us rebuilding in a few years.
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Good point, but's nice to dream isn't it?
 
What's funny about this whole discussion is that without the O-line I don't care how good the receivers are. The QB will never have time to throw to them. Improvement in the O-line is mandatory if this team is going to go anywhere. I will say it until I'm blue in the face this O-line is a disaster and I don't see why next year will be any different unless something changes. Either our players are the pits or the coaching is the pits or both. I know Vinny thinks things will be better next year, but I just don't see it. It would be a waster of money to get another top WR without the complimentary O-line to go with the receiver. So far we haven't made any kind of splash, so I don't think too much is on the horizon. If I'm wrong, so be it.
 
You have said we are okay and I'm saying we are not. I'm not critizing you and I'm not using your name in vain, I'm just saying there are different opinions out there about the status of the O-line and that's the truth. I happen to feel the number 1 need of this ball club is a far better O-line. I realize we might be looking to the draft, but most draftees would probably be a project. Particularly, if you take what Casserly and others are saying about this year's draft. They say the top picks are just not up to the excellence of previous years. What does that translate too? Does that mean the FA market might be at a premium this year? I will say this, they have indicated status quo and so far that has been the case........................
 
We might well do that Vinny. However, we have not made much of a move in that direction and we would probably say we have been 50-50 in judging talent on the O-line. Wand will probably be around for a while and might even become better than average. Looks like Brown won't be much based on some of the things you have said. Pitts has obviously done well. But I would agree with your assessment that most of our FA O-linemen haven't been what you and I would like to see. I think Wiegert has been by far and away the best and I think is one of the team leaders, but he has been injury prone. When he wants to play I think he has been the best of the litter. We will see what the next few days bring. Again quite taking things personally, I actually respect your opinions more than you think, but I still thinks it fair to disagree. In the end the proof is in the pudding as they say.
 
1st year was the Boselli bomb and we had to shuffle our line. 2nd year we added new faces to gel. 3rd year we implemented a new system and we add new faces. See a pattern here. This next year will probably the only consistant line we've had. I'm all for replacing Wand or Pitts, but lets at least give them another shot in this system and only a year together.
 
Plax would be a great addition paired up with AJ as one of the other posters mentioned - one of the tallest tandems in the league. I think we would have to shift to more 60/40 pass-run and that would help the line also as teams might be apt to blitz less often if they think were passing more. Esp if the offense and QB use more play-action, pump fakes, speed outs, quick slants and more veteran audibles and playcalling on the field.. This will help spread the field more and with 2 Tall receievers the outside fades, posts, slants, outs and flares all of a sudden look alot easier to manage when you have a pair of guys able to leap over most corners. Reminds me alot of the old Irvin/Harper combo in big D.

O-line - With only a few Quality O-line players left in FA right now the 2 big guns being signed early - its looking more and more like mgt are giving Seth the job to loose. I think they will draft an O-lineman but not in the first round for depth at Tackle and Center/Guard and to help push Seth. As ive said before most super-bowl and playoff teams O-lines dont have All-pro's at every spot - but a good group of team players who learn to work well together, are lucky enough to stay healthy for the season and get in a rhythm when they need to in helping each other out and picking up missed assignments.
 
We would be exchanging Burress for Bradford. When you think of the cap hit, just subtract Bradford and that is really how much Burress cost the texans.

Moving on. I think Plaxico and AJ will open up the middle for Gaffney and Armstrong. I think people forgot to mention that the Texans would have an excellent 3WR and 4WR set. Imagine AJ, Plax, Armstrong and Joppru. I know it takes alot with Joppru, but if he is healthy, then I think most defenses would be challenged. As it was noted previously, I think teams would have to reconsider their blitzing if there are two deep threats and their CB's are small.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
As it was noted previously, I think teams would have to reconsider their blitzing if there are two deep threats and their CB's are small.
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I don't see teams blitzing the Texans as much as they did the 1st 2 seasons. It's the 4 man rush that's been getting to Carr & causing problems.

I'm a little baffled by the Texans pursuing Burress. Would he be an upgrade over Bradford? Of course, but so would Armstrong if given the ball. Burress has never come across as a team player, and he didn't leave Pittsburgh on the best of terms. Forking over to Burress whatever cap room the Texans have doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm thinking this rumor is as valid as the Ron Dayne stuff.
 
Minn. makes a lot of sense for Plax. He could be the #1 on a throwing team. Here he would be the 1.5 on a running team. Love to have him, but I doubt he winds up here.
 
Vinny said:
One possible reason to bring him here (if true) would be to try to mold the perception that we are seriously considering a WR at the 13th pick. If teams see us talking to Burress they may think we take a WR if one slips to our slot. All this off-season WR talk could just be smoke for some trade down posturing.
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That could be the case. Then again, management may not see the makings of a #2 WR on the current roster. I wouldn't be any more surprised at us taking a WR with the 13 pick than I would a CB.
 
Vinny said:
Wand looked like he can play. I'm not too fond of one year and toss type management. Building an NFL team is more complex than building a madden team. Sometimes you have to wait a bit on your development.
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Gents - it its all bout the o-line...dc has to stay off his butt...Vinny, i could not disagree more...Wand is as project. A project that will take at least 2 more years to reach your goal of a servicable OT. They need to trade down and draft the fsu OT. if we want to be in the playoffs you gotta protect DC!!!!
 
titan hater said:
Gents - it its all bout the o-line...dc has to stay off his butt...Vinny, i could not disagree more...Wand is as project. A project that will take at least 2 more years to reach your goal of a servicable OT. They need to trade down and draft the fsu OT. if we want to be in the playoffs you gotta protect DC!!!!
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Servicable? Wand was servicable last year. If the interior line could have held their ground more often, Carr would have been able to step up into a pocket instead of running backwards and into the outside rushers who were often sealed 10 yards deep in the backfield by Seth.
 
I would like to see the Texans front office pursue Travis Taylor. He's a UFA that should not demand too much money because he failed horribly every season in Baltimore by trying to be the #1 WR.
 
Ok, We have 9 WR's. Out of that 9, only 4 have had some actual playing time. Don't ya'll think we should give some of the other youngsters a shot in the rotation and not go after a receiver who had an above-average season like 2 years ago or a guy that's gonna cost us some serious dough? I think we'll be pleasantly surprised at the talent we already have and haven't exposed it yet.
 
Dionysus22 said:
Ok, We have 9 WR's. Out of that 9, only 4 have had some actual playing time. Don't ya'll think we should give some of the other youngsters a shot in the rotation and not go after a receiver who had an above-average season like 2 years ago or a guy that's gonna cost us some serious dough? I think we'll be pleasantly surprised at the talent we already have and haven't exposed it yet.
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That guy who woulda cost us serious dough, would have been the ultimate compliment to the current offense. To have two, big, fast WRs who demand double coverage running down opposite ends of the sidelines is the best way for a offense to open up. Especially since we have a QB with one of the bigger arms in the league.
 
Plaxico is rumored to only be interested in a warm weathered place that has a good tight end and a good running back. San Diego is already in deep negotiations with him.
 
jagualex said:
Plaxico is rumored to only be interested in a warm weathered place that has a good tight end and a good running back.
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Houston is not in Wisconsin....
 
jagualex said:
Plaxico is rumored to only be interested in a warm weathered place that has a good tight end and a good running back. San Diego is already in deep negotiations with him.
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NFL network just reported that Minn. is the front runner and is currently working out a deal.
 
Did he actually come for a visit? Or is this rumor just a big rumor that we have been going nuts over? :hmmm:
 
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