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Pitt QB Tom Savage keeps popping up on my radar, so I'm giving him a thread. He's had a bumpy road on his was to becoming a draft prospect, getting crossways with Greg Schiano and losing HC w/ pro system. Might be on OB's 3rd day radar... ?

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6'4 1/4", 228 lbs., big arm.

OB personally attended his pro day and had him throw specific passes.

Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN
@Gil_Brandt I applaud you. Tom Savage is for real.

And doing it all within the structure of an NFL-style passing game/offense that he played in/started in just 1 season.

No QB in this draft class making the 18-22yd opposite "college" hash corner and comeback throws like Savage can. Mad I am late watching him.

Considering circumstances - background, play history, character, scheme, talent played with....Savage should be getting much more attention.

Finally getting to watch QB Tom Savage closely, and as some have told me, he makes some serious big-time throws. This should be fun..

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt Mar 12
C'mon, Phil. I was touting Tom Savage 6 months ago. RT @seniorbowl: @SeniorBowlPhil Savage names his 'super sleepers' http://bit.ly/19hUGhn

Tom Savage 2nd best ball velocity behind LThomas

> Tom Savage was best QB in second group. better athlete than anticipated. Best velocity, accuracy in 2nd group of QBs.

Best QB in 2nd group was Tom Savage. Has a gun for arm.

Tom Savage: The best QB prospect you've never heard of
By Gil Brandt | NFL Media senior analyst
Watching this game, the quarterback, Tom Savage, reminded me a lot of a player I had the privilege to scout and eventually draft back in the 1980s -- Troy Aikman...

2014 Pitt Pro Day
Bill O'Brien of the Houston Texans made Pitt his first pro day stop as an NFL head coach. Four quarterbacks coaches and Philadelphia Eagles head coach Chip Kelly were also in attendance according to Pitt's Sports Information Department.
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Quarterback Tom Savage, who could be a late-round riser, went through a scripted workout of 100 passes. Savage (6-4, 228), has the arm strength to be at least a quality backup.

A two-time transfer, Savage said he patiently explains to scouts that his travels should not be a red flag. But his limited experience against FBS defenses do complicate Savage's evaluation. Savage, who also attended Rutgers and Arizona, said it doesn't have to be a negative.

"I've been in three different systems, probably four or five different offensive coordinators. I don't even know anymore I've been to so many schools," Savage said. "You kind of have to pick it up on the run. You have to learn on your own. At Pittsburgh, I had to walk on and earn my spot. I had to pick up the offense and learn it by myself. Being ineligible you can't offer to much to the team. You really have to grind in the film room and pick it up on your own, kind of like the NFL will be. There will be veterans that know the playbook. They're not going to slow down for some rookie."
 
ESPN Insider: Developmental Day 3 bargains

...there are a pair of developmental quarterbacks in Pitt’s Tom Savage and Georgia’s Aaron Murray who are creating buzz among NFL personnel. These two QBs also have caught my eye on recent film study.

In my opinion, Savage is one of the most underrated quarterbacks in this class. A highly touted recruit out of high school, Savage was a double transfer who started his career at Rutgers before transferring to Arizona and then to Pitt once Arizona hired Rich Rodriguez, who didn't see Savage as a fit in his spread zone-read offense.

I had a chance to see Savage live twice this fall: once against Duke and once against Miami late in the season. In addition, after working through six more coaches' tapes, the things that jump out about Savage are his stature, his arm strength and his polished mechanics. At nearly 6-foot-4 and 228 pounds, Savage has a sturdy build and, along with Logan Thomas, might have one of the strongest arms in the class. He is an effortless thrower of the football, which means the ball comes clean off his hands with plenty of rpm and finishes with a lot of energy without having to overcompensate with his mechanics, particularly in his lower body.

Savage also has experience in a pro-style system, and it shows with his ability to get to his second and third reads. Although he still has developing to do in terms of touch and accuracy as a deep-ball thrower, he is steady in the short to intermediate part of the field and frequently provided his receivers the opportunity to run after the catch.

It's obvious Savage lacks ideal athleticism for the position and will never be a running threat at the next level. However, he has above-average pocket instincts and functional mobility moving within the pocket to buy time. In addition, he stands strong in the pocket, rarely blinks in the face of pressure and will stare down the gun barrel to deliver an accurate throw while taking a hit.

There are plenty of variables that need to go into Savage’s evaluation. First, being a double transfer, he was unable to gain any type of stability learning and gaining experience within one system. Second, and most important, in my opinion, was the lack of a supporting cast. Up front, the Panthers' offensive line was a nightmare in protection -- particularly on the right side of the line -- surrendering 43 sacks, which ranked 118th out of 123 FBS teams (a handful were on Savage for holding the ball too long). In addition, aside from freshman WR Tyler Boyd, the Panthers' perimeter was plagued by critical drops throughout the year.

This leads to the toughness Savage displayed this year both physically and mentally. I don’t know whether I’ve seen a quarterback take more physical punishment than Savage did this past fall. He was constantly being knocked to the ground throughout each tape I watched: against Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Syracuse, Florida State and North Carolina.

When I spoke with a defensive assistant coach during pregame of the Panthers' regular-season finale against Miami, he praised Savage’s toughness and leadership skills throughout the season. The coach claimed that it would have been easy for Savage to go into the tank but that he continued to battle and to compete while maintaining a positive attitude with his teammates.

Savage is far from a finished product. However, he displays a physical skill set that translates well to the next level. In addition, he is built for the inclement weather, and teams such as the Jets, Bears, Bills, Packers and Bengals looking to add a developmental backup to their roster could find strong value for Savage early in the Day 3 range...
 
I watched some film of Savage last night...and man...He can really spin the ball...

I like him as a later round development guy.
 
There's a lot of potential in Savage but I think people are going a little bit overboard with this stuff. Just like usual, some guy looks good in shorts at the combine and people are all over him. Look at the tape.

Savage takes as many sacks as any college QB not named Logan Thomas. Blame his line all you want but a lot of them are his fault. A ton of them actually.

If you want the scoop on Savage try to find these three games from this season:

9/21 at Duke - 424 yards and 6 TDs in a 58-55 shootout win

9/28 Virginia - 41% completion, 6.1 YPA, -57 rushing yards, and 2 INTs in a win against Virginia (hint: defense gets the game ball)

10/12 @ Virginia Tech - 46% completion, 6.6 YPA in a 19-9 loss in which Thomas outplayed him drastically
 
What if he was still around in the 5th?

If we still had Casserly he'd grab in the 3rd like he did Ragone :)

With the Texans' situation I am taking a swing at someone I think can be the starting QB in 2015 (maybe earlier). Anything other than that is a waste IMO. I am not saying has to be 1st round - just belief by the coaches he is the future. QBs have one of only two modes - starter or piece of meat. 5th or any other place in the draft, starters or at least rotational players can be found at other positions. I'd rather nail the kicker we want in the 7th rather than spend the pick on a QB.
 
With the Texans' situation I am taking a swing at someone I think can be the starting QB in 2015 (maybe earlier). Anything other than that is a waste IMO. I am not saying has to be 1st round - just belief by the coaches he is the future. QBs have one of only two modes - starter or piece of meat. 5th or any other place in the draft, starters or at least rotational players can be found at other positions. I'd rather nail the kicker we want in the 7th rather than spend the pick on a QB.

name someone not in 1st rd. this years class. who is to say Texans don't look QB next years draft who could start? Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, Kevin Hogan, Bryce Petty.

in regards to Savage, I think your doing an excellent smoke screen job for Bill. http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog/2014/03/04/bill-obrien-first-stop-pitts-pro-day/
The headline players were defensive lineman Aaron Donald, wide receiver Devin Street and quarterback Tom Savage. The Texans had a formal interview with Donald at the NFL combine, and O’Brien meet with Savage after his workout that consisted with over 100 scripted passes. O’Brien even instructed Savage to make some throws he wanted to see after his workout for the 28 teams in attendance. Reports are that Savage threw well and showed impressive arm strength and accuracy in the cold conditions (Kevin Weidl, ESPN)
facts suggest otherwise :specnatz:
 
name someone not in 1st rd. this years class. who is to say Texans don't look QB next years draft who could start? Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, Kevin Hogan, Bryce Petty.

Was the first supposed to be a question? Garoppalo, Murray, Mettenberger, Carr. Polish or cut the gem prospects not create the gem prospects.

I am against waiting a year to get a rookie to start immediately next year as well at this point as nobody looks like a Luck sure fire worth waiting for prospect. That's a plan to write two seasons off IMO and I don't see it as either likely or wise. When the season starts in 2014 I believe OB will have a QB on the roster he believes will start no later than 2015.
 
Was the first supposed to be a question? Garoppalo, Murray, Mettenberger, Carr. Polish or cut the gem prospects not create the gem prospects.

I am against waiting a year to get a rookie to start immediately next year as well at this point as nobody looks like a Luck sure fire worth waiting for prospect. That's a plan to write two seasons off IMO and I don't see it as either likely or wise. When the season starts in 2014 I believe OB will have a QB on the roster he believes will start no later than 2015.

You can raise the bridge or lower the water IMO .

If no stud muffin QB is there , draft the best player and make the team better for the lesser QB drafted later .

If I deem a prospect , say , at OT or DE/OLB as a 9.3 prospect and the best QB prospect is a 7.8 , you'd be crazy to draft the QB .
 
If I deem a prospect , say , at OT or DE/OLB as a 9.3 prospect and the best QB prospect is a 7.8 , you'd be crazy to draft the QB .

Do you think the gap in talent between clowney (or whoever) and any Qb in this draft is that drastic?
 
name someone not in 1st rd. this years class. who is to say Texans don't look QB next years draft who could start? Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, Kevin Hogan, Bryce Petty.

What always gets me about this is that this is what people were saying about this years class... Boyd. Bridgewater, etc.
 
You can raise the bridge or lower the water IMO .

If no stud muffin QB is there , draft the best player and make the team better for the lesser QB drafted later .

If I deem a prospect , say , at OT or DE/OLB as a 9.3 prospect and the best QB prospect is a 7.8 , you'd be crazy to draft the QB .

Totally irrelevant to what I am saying. I am not saying force a QB into any selection. If they don't believe any QB in this draft can start in 2015 then don't waste a pick on any of them in any round.
 
Was the first supposed to be a question? Garoppalo, Murray, Mettenberger, Carr.

yes & you followed through like a champ. All of which would be even worse. Let's just take a new Car :drunk: We started with David, then took a Schuab (lemon) then only makes sense to buy into Derek. Garoppalo is way over hyped after reviewing game film, he is worse than Savage under pressure & lacks size/strength. Murray I like but certainly not that high, coming off acl think he is there in the 5th/6th. Mettenberger is a whiny baby, cannot move around in the pocket & forces the ball, maybe not unlike Savage in this regard but lacks his toughness.
 
I think I'm starting to lean more towards taking Clowney...


Maybe that's what O'Brien meant when he said "that's enough" during Bortles' pro-day.

Probably didn't see a difference between any of the quarterbacks.

Welcome to the Texans, Clowney. :specnatz:
 
I love the wait til next year argument on the QBs. I'm not saying we have to take one #1 but considering what is going on with this class right now it's a hilarious attempt.

Last year, this QB class had can't miss talent. Now, nobody wants any of them.

But just wait til next year. The QBs in that class have can't miss talent...
 
Do you think the gap in talent between clowney (or whoever) and any Qb in this draft is that drastic?

NFL.com doesn't think it's that wide this year.

Clowney is graded at 7.5

the highest graded QB is Bortles at 6.4 with six players in between.
 
NFL.com doesn't think it's that wide this year.

Clowney is graded at 7.5

the highest graded QB is Bortles at 6.4 with six players in between.

That's a pretty big drop-off in rating. There may not be a lot of people in between, but when you're looking at a scale that's going from 0 to 7.5, each 0.75 is a 10% drop. So on a scale of 0-100 where Clowney is 100, someone like Robinson would be at about 90, and Bortles at about 85.

Using the old college scale of 90-100 = A, 80-89 = B, 70-79 = C, 60-69 = D, then you've got to ask yourself if you want an A with someone like Clowney or Watkins or if you want a B with someone like Bortles or Bridgewater.

And that's all assuming you rate these guys the same way NFL.com does.

I personally feel the drop-off is bigger than that.
 
That's a pretty big drop-off in rating. There may not be a lot of people in between, but when you're looking at a scale that's going from 0 to 7.5, each 0.75 is a 10% drop. So on a scale of 0-100 where Clowney is 100, someone like Robinson would be at about 90, and Bortles at about 85.

Using the old college scale of 90-100 = A, 80-89 = B, 70-79 = C, 60-69 = D, then you've got to ask yourself if you want an A with someone like Clowney or Watkins or if you want a B with someone like Bortles or Bridgewater.

And that's all assuming you rate these guys the same way NFL.com does.

I personally feel the drop-off is bigger than that.

I think the QB position gives them a 10% b00st in grade .
 
I love the wait til next year argument on the QBs. I'm not saying we have to take one #1 but considering what is going on with this class right now it's a hilarious attempt.

Last year, this QB class had can't miss talent. Now, nobody wants any of them.

But just wait til next year. The QBs in that class have can't miss talent...

No one is saying next year , they are saying next round .
 
No one is saying next year , they are saying next round .

I was tagging onto this discussion:

name someone not in 1st rd. this years class. who is to say Texans don't look QB next years draft who could start? Marcus Mariota, Brett Hundley, Kevin Hogan, Bryce Petty....

What always gets me about this is that this is what people were saying about this years class... Boyd. Bridgewater, etc.
 
Maybe that's what O'Brien meant when he said "that's enough" during Bortles' pro-day.

Probably didn't see a difference between any of the quarterbacks.

Welcome to the Texans, Clowney. :specnatz:
That's a real possibility, and there's also a lot of NFL guys who don't think there's a first-round QB in this Draft.
 
I was tagging onto this discussion:

Probably because three of the people you mention didn't enter the draft, which is part of the reason why people thought this QB class was going to be stacked. :p Half of the big names are just waiting until next year, plus you never know who shows up next season.
 
Probably because three of the people you mention didn't enter the draft, which is part of the reason why people thought this QB class was going to be stacked. :p Half of the big names are just waiting until next year, plus you never know who shows up next season.

Reason #1 why banking on next year is a bad idea. Next year's #1 QB, Winston, has already said that he plans to play two more years at Florida St.

If you don't like anybody this year then obviously don't take anybody. But don't pass on a guy you like because you see a guy in next year's draft that you like more. That's ridiculous. So much could happen between now and then.
 
Reason #1 why banking on next year is a bad idea. Next year's #1 QB, Winston, has already said that he plans to play two more years at Florida St.

If you don't like anybody this year then obviously don't take anybody. But don't pass on a guy you like because you see a guy in next year's draft that you like more. That's ridiculous. So much could happen between now and then.

I know, but this is also a good reason not to get hung up on getting a position filled this year with a high pick, especially if it's not the BPA.
 
A well-connected NFL source told ESPN's Todd McShay that he'd be surprised if Pittsburgh QB Tom Savage wasn't picked on Day 2.

The postseason QB prospect darling continues to take on helium as evaluators become infatuated with his arm strength on film. McShay called Savage's OTs last season at Pitt the worst he's ever seen at college football's highest level, and he joked earlier this month that Savage "could build [a] strong malpractice suit vs. [his] supporting cast" with the Panthers.

Savage was a relative unknown heading into last season after beginning his college career at Rutgers, transferring to Arizona State, and finally settling in at Pittsburgh for one season as a starting QB. Coaches have egos, too, and you can bet the house that at least a few QB coaches will swear to their GMs that they can make an NFL player out of these tools. Mar 22 - 5:00 PM
Source: ESPN's First Draft podcast
:rolleyes:
 
I know, but this is also a good reason not to get hung up on getting a position filled this year with a high pick, especially if it's not the BPA.

I certainly agree with that. I'm not stuck on any one position with the #1 pick. I want the player that will make the biggest positive impact.

It's funny that QB is the only position that people use this argument for. You never hear anyone talk about passing on a LT because there is a great one in next year's class.
 
I certainly agree with that. I'm not stuck on any one position with the #1 pick. I want the player that will make the biggest positive impact.

It's funny that QB is the only position that people use this argument for. You never hear anyone talk about passing on a LT because there is a great one in next year's class.

Actually... I think I have heard something similar to... "Don't draft a WR high in this draft because there are going to be a lot of great ones next year." I think... was it SteelB or Beerlover?... someone said that last year.

I mean, it's nowhere near as often but iirc, I've heard it said on this board about WRs and defensive backs.
 
Actually... I think I have heard something similar to... "Don't draft a WR high in this draft because there are going to be a lot of great ones next year." I think... was it SteelB or Beerlover?... someone said that last year.

I mean, it's nowhere near as often but iirc, I've heard it said on this board about WRs and defensive backs.

Maybe it has been said around here and I just haven't seen it.

I still think it's a terrible idea. If the WR is the player that will make the biggest positive impact then you are making a mistake by passing on him. If he isn't then you shouldn't draft him regardless of who is in the draft next year.
 
Maybe it has been said around here and I just haven't seen it.

I still think it's a terrible idea. If the WR is the player that will make the biggest positive impact then you are making a mistake by passing on him. If he isn't then you shouldn't draft him regardless of who is in the draft next year.

Having the first selection puts you in control, what you do with it can make or break your draft.

Looks like a collision course has been set with Blake Bortles. Matches up with salary usually paid out to position as well new coach Bill O'Brian, stop gap free agent QB Ryan Fitzpatrick who is making back-up money & jettisoned out of H-Town starting QB Matt Schaub.

Regardless, still forcing a pick over bpa who isn't game ready, biggest impact you seek.
 
Tom Savage velocity from combine tested ahead of Blake Bortles.
YEAR: 2014


Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 60
Stephen Morris, Miami 59
Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57
Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56
Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56
Jeff Mathews, Cornell 56
Keith Wenning, Ball State 56
Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois 55
Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54
David Fales, San Jose State 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53
Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50
Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville – Did not throw
Derek Carr, Fresno State – Did not throw
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Did not throw
Zach Mettenberger, LSU – Did not throw
Aaron Murray, Georgia – Did not throw

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2012/
 
count me as all in on savage and would even be happy taking him in the 3rd even though we might have a chance taking him in the 4th. doubt he lasts longer than this
 
In terms of physical talent, looks like an O'Brien kind of QB with that big gun 'cause he can make that ball
hum on a deep out like no other QB in this Draft except for Mettenberger.
 
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Hearing A LOT of buzz around #Pitt QB Tom Savage. People will be surprised how high he goes in #NFLDraft.
John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff
Hear the same.

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
How hot a prospect is Tom Savage? He has had workouts with 9 #NFL teams so far, has another 7 scheduled this month. #NFLDraft

So 16 teams will work out Savage??? Sumpins up...

:thinking:
 
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