leebigeztx
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If he was trying to win, Davis Mills wouldn't have been given the job without competition
pick 1.15 Kenyon Green G TAMU
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True, but Green is playing injured, so I give him a break.
The sentence about keeping Culley/Kelly is true and the entire sentence would be true if Caserio wanted to hire Lovie, which we know isn't true.
ghostlight
Veteran
I saw Green not extending his arms thus being driven back into the backfield. If he is injured and having issues in chest area then they need to sit him.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
After I posted his leverage problem due to his injury, I'm glad someone watched for it.
Lovie, do you think if maybe you break his right arm before next game, he'll play even better?
Technically correct but the second was just 2 picks later
I sure wish whoever had asked Lovie about Green's performance had asked why he was playing hurt
And they got very good talent in Green. Pierce wouldn't have the start he is without Green's run blocking
edit: Just realized this is the Sauce thread and no place for the Green discussion. Mods can you please move appropriate comments?
To a degree... he's been very good at pulling and getting to the second level, or he was before he got injured, but then before he got injured he was merely bad in pass pro not pathetic as he is now
No I don't.
Well, at least me.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Players who sustain injury, but adrenaline is still pumping so they continue playing is way different than playing with known injury after through medical evaluation. This is unfair to Kenyon well being & career while playing him w/injury, will negatively affect the outcome for all parties involved.After I posted his leverage problem due to his injury, I'm glad someone watched for it.
Lovie, do you think if maybe you break his right arm before next game, he'll play even better?
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Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
What is real scary is that we don't have a backup they feel can play better than our injured rookie. If no further damage is happening, I can see letting him get experience. Kid needs experience and NFL conditioning to get stronger anyway, so year 2 is when we should see a jump if healthy, stronger, and more experienced. I don't worry too much about his confidence. Most rookies take some knocks. If he cannot recover mentally, he wasn't the guy anyway. Should just drive him harder to not get skated around next year. We don't seem real focused on winning anyway as long as they keep trotting out DM
Going up against the murderers row he has the last 4 weeks would be tough for any guard, much less an injured rookie
badboy
Hall of Fame
Texans OL coach George Warhop still sees G Kenyon Green as ‘work in progress’
Houston Texans offensive line coach George Warhop still views first-round guard Kenyon Green as a "work in progress."
Houston Texans offensive line coach George Warhop still views first-round guard Kenyon Green as a "work in progress."
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Texans OL coach George Warhop still sees G Kenyon Green as ‘work in progress’
Houston Texans offensive line coach George Warhop still views first-round guard Kenyon Green as a "work in progress."sports.yahoo.com
Houston Texans offensive line coach George Warhop still views first-round guard Kenyon Green as a "work in progress."
Groundbreaking.
He's a rookie.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Green placed on IR for the SEASON.
Ouch.
Ouch.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ouch only by him as he was worthless.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I am hearing on 97.5 right now that Caserio and Texans knew his shoulder wasn’t ready to go and needed medical attention back in May of this year. Wanted to see if he could make it.
There is a sound bite out there from Caserio.
Caserio and the Texans could take some heat from the players association for this.
There is a sound bite out there from Caserio.
Caserio and the Texans could take some heat from the players association for this.
Sweech
Waterboy
They should if that's the case.
It's ultimately the players decision.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Agreed, but the player is almost always going to push the limits. Sometimes Doctors and coaches have to step in and make the wise decision.
Not saying that they should face any kind of scrutiny.......unless they pushed him to play when he didn't want to.
Let him get healthy and lets see how he does. He's never been healthy since before the day he was drafted.
Why would the players association care?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah I heard that, but the coach speaking indicated that Texans allow as much leeway into playing decision until it is decided by team that it's best for team and player to shut the player down. Not getting what player association has to do with it? If team was forcing player onto field despite player's thoughts on his health, maybe?The CBA allows player in that decision to get opinion from doctor the player chooses.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Pressuring a player to play hurt.
Apparent it is different circumstance for a NFL QB to pressure a massage therapist for sex in their eyes.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
He's not in Bennie Jopru territory just yet ,but I like your attempt at a nickname - "Busty"
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Bubblewrap
Bandaid
Flatline 59
Stitches
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I heard the Caserio soundbite this morning. I'm flabbergasted. Why not have Green get the surgery when you found out? And why did they not know about the labrum tear earlier? March in free agency? April before the draft? Then Caserio alluded to some unknown personal issues Green had/has.
Knowing that the team will likely have a hole at LG and doing nothing about it is GM malpractice. Is this how things were done in Foxboro? I don't think so. This should be Caserio's last season.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I wouldn’t say it is grounds for termination. Closer to strike two.
I would hope that this gives Demeco more power when dealing with players and the final say in a players health.
That’s my biggest question.
Where was Demeco in all of this? Did he side with Caserio and why didn’t he side with the player? Or was he not consulted?
Good questions, but it is Caserio's responsibility to acquire players. Who is playing LG? Some guy they acquired a week prior to the 1st game? That can't happen when you knew months ago that Green would need surgery. It was to quote Caserio a question of "not if, but when."
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
more importantly, where was THE PLAYER in all this? You guys continue to act like these guys have no say in what happens to them when in reality, they are the main drivers in how their treatment goes. It’s not surprising AT ALL that the FO went the conservative route in his treatment b/c it’s probably what the player wanted to do 1st. They, like us know what going under the knife means. So it Doesn’t matter what NC or Meco say, know or suspect. until it begins to affect his on-field performance or the teams’, they’re likely going to take the player’s word for it at 1st. So If he says he’s ok to play or wants to try to play with it 1st, they’re going to take his word for it & allow him to try to…
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps Nick thinks getting Patterson at 201 is not just getting a steal but 'doing something '.
We drafted two starters at 2 and 3 and another with Scruggs. If you want to discuss a guard round 3 or 4 that would be interesting.
Is Kenyon Green running the Texans? I guess I missed the memo? Green should have been PUPed from the get go. That is Caserio’s decision to make. Not Kenyon Green’s.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Another scenario: Ryans and Caserio agree that Kenyon doesn't work in Demeco's system. They agree surgery will not change that. Perhaps Green wasn't interested in another surgery in March? No one would offer them reasonable (lol) compensation. Injury settlement ~ same as IR.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
No doubt Texans will be keeping an eye out for LG's that get cut or on practice squads.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
lol, that’s your problem, you think this is an “authority” thing…it’s not. Guys playing injured, or trying to is just part of the culture & they’ll almost always side with the conservative approach to treatment rather than subjecting themselves to going under the knife. It’s a player thing and it happens across all sports.
HC/GM asks a player how he feels or if he can go, the player 95% of the time is gonna say yes…..at a min, they’ll say they will try to go…it’s how they’re wired.
Furthermore a GM isn’t gonna voluntarily PuP a player…if there’s ANY chance they’ll be able to play with alternative treatment…..let alone a key starter unless he has to for something acute. You can’t force these guys to have surgery. They’re going to give the player the benefit of the doubt..b/c as with ANY patient, they know their bodies and how they’re feeling better than anyone…..period.
Geez, it's pretty clear you did not hear Caserio's comments on Green. He said the Texans KNEW IN MAY that Green would require surgery at some point. He KNEW that it was not a sure thing that Green could play through the injury they KNEW would require surgery. And Nick did squat about securing a backup plan until a week before the season opener. I mean they brought in 3 O-lineman, I guess there's a plan somewhere in there.
I'm not blaming Green for trying to play through an injury. He tried last year, so sure he's going to try, again. I'm blaming Nick Caserio for banking on Green being able to play and having no plan for the likelihood of Green not being able to go. The rest of your post, blah-blah, does not exonerate Nick Caserio of this stupid decision.
I guess when Caserio doesn't do word salad interviews, he tells all. I'm not sure what was the motive behind Caserio doing that interview. Maybe he needs some Texas BBQ or something because that interview made him and Texans look foolish in the way they handled Green and the interior OL.
Apple and a roadmap - Spence
Agree. The key takeaway from the interview is Caserio knew Green would require surgery. It's not a matter of "if he needed surgery" but "when would he need the surgery" and he needs the surgery in August.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Agreed with all of this, but where was DeMeco on all of this? They are supposed to be working together.
In any event, failing to plan is planning to fail. It's a trite saying but it's true. Knowing damn good and well that #59 was iffy to go at best and you do nothing consequential?
You brought in Mason to play RG. That was a serious move. They needed to do something close/equal to that at LG.
And then you cut Deiter? I don't get it. He's not a world-beater, but he's been in the entire offseason program and knows the system.
According to PFF, Deiter played 42 passing snaps and had only one QB hurry, and no sacks. I get it - competition level, but still...I am lost on the Deiter cut given the situation.
I have stated that Nick should get to spend all of the Watson bounty before any decisions can be made, but I'm rethinking my position on that.
Have they brought in 3 OL in the last week?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don’t have to listen to that drivel to know what’s what b/c I understand the decision making in the context, time & circumstances in which they were made and also how these convos typically go from a player’s perspective.
NC can “KNOW” all he wants…but you’re glossing over the AT SOME POINT part of the statement…which is key. Reality is He was likely just playing the odds that Green would most likely require surgery if the alternative treatment didn’t work that ALL parties were hoping for.
NC’s decision is only stupid in your eyes b/c you’re assuming there was or could’ve been a better “back up” plan or alternative secured back then as opposed to now…& that’s a faulty assumption. You’re only screaming about “back up plan” but you actually don’t know if he had 1 or not..you can prep for something but never act on it b/c there’s no need to. Just b/c you can’t see the back up plan immediately reflected on the roster doesn’t mean there was no plan in place.
Aside from that, a trade could be made at any point which is what they wound up doing with this other Green Kid from the Steelers who actually can play guard or center, which actually helps them more considering Scruggs’ situation.
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Ryans already has this power.
Marcus
Windmill cancer survivor
So, the knock on them, as I understand it, is they did NOT plan on losing 3 IOL right before the season started?
I get it that knowing what they know, that Kenyon Green should have had the surgery earlier. But other injuries, you can’t plan for it depthwise because you can only carry 53 people.
I get it that knowing what they know, that Kenyon Green should have had the surgery earlier. But other injuries, you can’t plan for it depthwise because you can only carry 53 people.