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Phillip Buchanon

why make so many posts just follow up on the other posts. but yeah he finally did something but he got lucky since he missed judged the pass a little.
 
Yeah, let's see his best plays

1) Trips a WR intentionally because he was beat

2) get his finger tip on a ball because he was beat.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Yeah, let's see his best plays

1) Trips a WR intentionally because he was beat

2) get his finger tip on a ball because he was beat.
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Got to agree with AT here. Phillip still doesn't deserve to start opposite Dunta, and he's still a liability defensively. Teams are going to run to his side because they know he's afraid to tackle, and they'll throw to whomever he's covering because they know he'll be off of him.
 
Doom Capers said:
And won the game for us.
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If any one player won the game for us it was Mathis. He caught our lone TD, and gave us good field position all game.

Phillip was beat by Bryant, but Dilfer underthrew the ball giving PBuch a chance to tip it away. If Trent gets the ball up the field more we'd be here talking about how we lost on a last second TD pass and how much Phillip stunk it up. I'm glad it turned out well for us and we got a win, but let's not give Phillip the Defensive Player of the Year award for getting a lucky break.
 
You can't base an argument on saying if this or if that. If our receivers were better, Carr would've had 4 touchdowns. If our line could block Davis would've ran for 150 yards. But they didn't.

The fact is that Buchanon did make a great adjustment and tip the ball away from the receiver. Whether he is the game's defensive MVP is another argument because several of our defensive players finally made some plays. But give the guy some credit.
 
:texflag: No ifs about it ... PBuch made a play . He actually over ran it thats why he used his left hand .

If PBuch had an O-line and time to throw he 'd be better . Leave PBuch alone .:sarcasm:
 
I don't think he did much todayat all. Even on the last play, he was beat by 3+ yards. I'm just happy Dilfer made a bad throw, because if he puts some more air under that, we would be talking about Buchanon in a totally different tone. If anything, that ball should have been an interception, not a tip up so that the WR can have a chance. Buchanon should be thanking his lucky stars it was underthrown or he would be making major headlines tomorrow in the worst way possible.
 
He was not beat by 3 yards and Dilfer did not under throw. The best corners look bait a quarter back into making a throw and then they make a play. That is why speed is so important. Its called make up speed for a reason. I'm not a big Buc fan either. However he was hitting hard and making good tackles today. He ended the gameby making a play on a ball that would have hit the reciever in stride at the goal line. The idea is to hit the reciever in the numbers. If Buc does not tip the ball it hits the reciever in the numbers in stride. He was not throwing the ball up high because hew did not see Buc. It was simply a good play. This is the first win enjoy it. Quit being so negetive.
 
If PBuch had an O-line and time to throw he 'd be better
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:rofl:

P-Buc made a good play to end the game, the throw was right on the money to the WR and P-Buc came from nowhere seemingly to make the play. But hey, even a blind hog finds the occasional acorn. :heh:
 
Doom Capers said:
And won the game for us.
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That I won't take away from him. He did not give up on the play. Think it was a case of good effort creating good luck.
 
this is what buchanon dodes as a player he will suck it up for 2 or 3 games then make some amazingly good or lucky play. i'd rahter have someone more consistant that doesn't have the big play ability but doesn't make as many big mistakes...


our return game is looking dangerous which is good if ur gonna be the worst team in the league.
 
Bubbajwp said:
Is it just me or is he getting better every week.
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PBurnt is so so lucky. Bryant ate his lunch and he manages to get a left finger on the ball to deflect it!

Faggins is lucky too that Bryant had his toe on the line or he would have given up another touchdown!

They can't cover anyones WR's!

bobby 119C:brickwall
 
You cant complain about Pbuch being beet if he still made the play. You cant complain about Faggins being beat by Bryant either. Football is a game of inches. The inches fell our way in this game.
IMO if Faggins was guarding ABryant we loose this game.
 
Everone has been all over PBuch for awhile now, but I have not read one thing about Faggins performances lately. PBuch had a whiff or two yesterday, but he also laid a hit on a one of the Browns WR on the sideline that knocked the ball loose stopping a Browns drive and he also had the play that clinched the win. He had a couple of other pretty good plays yesterday. I guess the PBuch bashing won't stop until he averages 30 tackles and 5 INT's a game. Some here are quick to call for heads when the not so big name guys struggle from time to time, but when AJ is dropping passes game in and game or DRob gets burnt on a long pass play I don't see anyone calling to bench or trade these guys...
 
I have not watched my Tivo yet, but the guys on the post-game show on SR610 were saying this was Buch's best game wire-to-wire this season. I do remember at least two solid plays by him earlier in the game and I don't remember any times that I wanted him benched, FWIW.
 
He has definetely gotten more physical. I think that coach Hoke has made some progress with him.

On the downside, he's still getting burnt on some plays and has not been a playmaker.

Overall, the guy is still a big disappointment considering everything that was given away to get him.
 
When P-Buc was signed here I was VERY excited. That same excitement left with Aaron Glenn. I still had high hopes though. During the first few games I saw P-Buc get turned into P-Burnt and I chalked that up to learning a new scheme, playing with new teammates etc. After that 'ole' play he was blacklisted for me. In my eyes he could do no right. In reality however that play seems to be a turning point. After he was benched he seemed to be playing more aggressive. I've yet to see him in man coverage. We constantly use zone schemes and that is what seems to kill us. P-Buc has been tackling very well since his horrible tackle attempt. I'd like to see this guy on the field more often and leave him on an island in man coverage. Give him a saftey to help deep but throw that zone coverage out the window! He saved the game for us yesterday and I think with him working with Robinson for a full season will only help him and this team.
 
He has really improved in my eyes as well. Maybe some of Robinsons words made him think. He should be starting over Faggins now. Our safetys are questionable i think. What happend to Glenn Earl, i thought he was doin good last year?
 
CoastalTexan said:
What happend to Glenn Earl, i thought he was doin good last year?
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I was watching some old games and he got beat badly on some bad angles and didn't have any make-up speed to make up for it. He may have never regained his previous speed before his injury.
 
I swear that when an opposing team lines up their first read is right at Buchanan. I asked the people I was with if they had noticed. After, they stated they didn't realize how bad he really was and what a liability he was. I'm very glad he made the play and will never look back after the win. However, he was beaten and the ball was underthrown.
 
the ball was underthrown.
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OK, lets get something clear here. I was standing in the endzone that the play was in, the ball was NOT underthrown. Matter of fact when Dilfer threw it my first reaction was, sounds alot like HIT, because it was right on the money and a sure TD throw.

Buchanon made an excellant play to recover from being beat and get a hand on the ball. I have no idea HOW he did it actually cause it looked like a sure TD to me initially, the guy was WIDE OPEN and the ball was RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It was, quite simply, a great play by P-Buch. give some credit where it is due, he made the play.

And I am not a P-Buch fan, not even slightly. Between him and Faggins, Faggins gets the start every time in my roster picks.

P-Buch gets an 'atta boy' instead of the usual phrases used on him for that play. His entire game yesterday, for whatever reason, was very much improved, IMHO.
 
I think eveyone should be happy that our pass rush created an earlier throw than he wanted to make.

Our Defense made a good play. Phillip was in good position for the pass. He made a great play. And our Defense kept them from getting the TD.
 
That was flat out a great atheltic play that won the game. My jaw dropped when I saw it, and then I stormed outside to continue cutting the grass. (I'm also a browns fan)

However, he's clearly not getting better every week.
 
Tayton said:
However, he was beaten and the ball was underthrown.
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I'm certainly no Buchanon apologist (I'd take those 2 picks back today) but one of the measurables for a corner is his recovery speed .... the implication there is that the corner HAS BEEN beaten and must attempt to recover to break up the play ..... he did .... thank goodness
 
Ok, I just saw the replay of the last play on ESPN, I got a quick look and to me it did not look like PBuch was beat, it looked to me like he was one on one with the WR and at the last second took a BIG chance and broke on the ball. I may be wrong but that's the way it looked to me.
 
Does his Sunday's performance convince anybody to change their negative views towards him? I think he showed me alot, he probably is a better player than he has shown to be. It siked me out to see him trip that guy, and he made that sweet tackle with orr. IF he gaines enough confidence do ya think he will earn his spot and be an all-pro like dunta. I'm happy for him cause he never struck me as a bad person, he lookes like he has a good personality and he probly gets along with dunta and looks up to him. He may not be as good a player, but he showed some good agressiveness and he kpt us from being 0-7.
 
That ball was underthrown by Trent Dilfer. I'll give Buchanon credit for making that play but it doesn't make up for his horrible play through the first 6 games of the season. I hope that he is able to turn it around and maybe now he'll play better.
 
I rewatched the game today, after getting back from being there, in one word I can answer your question......... NO..........................!
 
texan279 said:
but I have not read one thing about Faggins performances lately. ...
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Apparently you don't read too well. Two post above yours, I mentioned Faggins. I have mentioned a few times about Faggins getting beat bad!

bobby 119C
 
the wonger need food said:
On the downside, he's still getting burnt on some plays and has not been a playmaker.
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Apart from preventing another Houston loss... ok.. I see it... he sucks...
 
touttail said:
Apparently you don't read too well. Two post above yours, I mentioned Faggins. I have mentioned a few times about Faggins getting beat bad!

bobby 119C
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One little comment, nothing even close to what the PBuch haters have been posting on here. There aren't threads about Petey being a bust or people wanting to trade him or bench him like the threads on PBuch is what I meant.
 
People need to lay off Buch this week. If he's as bad as you say, you'll have your chance to pile on later. Fact is, he had a good game. He had a pretty decent punt return in the first half, made some good tackles, broke up three pass plays, and saved the game at the end. And you can't say "if the ball wasn't underthrown" or "he was beat and had to find a way to recover", etc .... because that is what football is. It's a game of inches, hell millimeters. He made some plys - give credit where credit is due and go back to hating when he screws up.
 
texan279 said:
One little comment, nothing even close to what the PBuch haters have been posting on here. There aren't threads about Petey being a bust or people wanting to trade him or bench him like the threads on PBuch is what I meant.
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Faggins doesn't get piled on nearly as much because most of his mistakes come from being too aggressive whereas PBuch looks as if he's playing too passively much of the time. Also Faggins hasn't been one to shy away from contact, and until Buchannon makes solid tackles on a consistant basis he'll continue to be on the wrong end of many a punchline.
 
I am in no way a PBuch fan. I want him on offense rather than defense. That being said, on the final play of the game he did what we brought him in here to do, use his great speed and athletic ability to close on a good pass and knock it away. I actually saw him come up and tackle a few people as well. He's never going to remind us of DRob but he deserves some credit where it is due.
 
texasguy346 said:
Faggins doesn't get piled on nearly as much because most of his mistakes come from being too aggressive whereas PBuch looks as if he's playing too passively much of the time. Also Faggins hasn't been one to shy away from contact, and until Buchannon makes solid tackles on a consistant basis he'll continue to be on the wrong end of many a punchline.
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So Faggins hasn't been flamed because he screws up in a different way? A mistake is a mistake, and I have seen Faggins burned many times this season...
 
texan279 said:
So Faggins hasn't been flamed because he screws up in a different way? A mistake is a mistake, and I have seen Faggins burned many times this season...
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How many times have you seen Dunta go off on Faggins on the sideline due to his poor play? How many times have you seen Faggins benched because of his poor play this season? The point being that if this coaching staff is capable of recognizing how poorly Buchannon played when it took them several games into the season to realize that Victor Riley wasn't the 'answer' at LT then you've to got to think that the criticism of PBuch is well deserved.

As far as mistakes go there is quite a difference. Playing passively and making a mistake shows a lack of effort. Playing aggressively and making a mistake is a lot easier to swallow. At least you're putting forth the effort. I'm sure you'd agree that there's a difference in losing a game because the players were playing not to lose as opposed to losing a game because the players were playing to win but just came up short. Same can be said for making a mistake.
 
texasguy346 said:
How many times have you seen Dunta go off on Faggins on the sideline due to his poor play? How many times have you seen Faggins benched because of his poor play this season? The point being that if this coaching staff is capable of recognizing how poorly Buchannon played when it took them several games into the season to realize that Victor Riley wasn't the 'answer' at LT then you've to got to think that the criticism of PBuch is well deserved.

As far as mistakes go there is quite a difference. Playing passively and making a mistake shows a lack of effort. Playing aggressively and making a mistake is a lot easier to swallow. At least you're putting forth the effort. I'm sure you'd agree that there's a difference in losing a game because the players were playing not to lose as opposed to losing a game because the players were playing to win but just came up short. Same can be said for making a mistake.
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Yeah, we all know how great our coaches are. :sarcasm: The same guys who bench players for a penalty but it takes them almost half of a season to realize Victor "turnstile" Riley isn't the answer at LT. I totally trust our coaches decisions...:sarcasm:
 
texan279 said:
Yeah, we all know how great our coaches are. :sarcasm: The same guys who bench players for a penalty but it takes them almost half of a season to realize Victor "turnstile" Riley isn't the answer at LT. I totally trust our coaches decisions...:sarcasm:
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That's the point. If a blind man is capable of seeing something then it's got to be pretty darn obvious. I'll try it again just to make it clear. Riley played awful yet it took Capers and co. several games to realize that he needed to be taken out of the lineup. So imagine how awful PBuch had to have been playing for Capers to realize that he had to be benched during a game.
 
Faggins is getting his rips in, he's horrible this year in locating the ball, remember pre-season when he got burnt by Gabriel of the Raiders? But the reason we don't come down as hard on his is that he was not a 1st rounder and we gave up so much to bring him in coupled with the fact that he isn't doing a good job of replacing Glenn. And remember, Faggins was a late rounder.

P-burnt had a "good" play at the end, there I said it. But go watch the game again and see how much he gets burnt, it happens a lot. He should have got called for the flag on Bryant with that tippy toe tackle.
 
SESupergenius said:
Faggins is getting his rips in, he's horrible this year in locating the ball, remember pre-season when he got burnt by Gabriel of the Raiders? But the reason we don't come down as hard on his is that he was not a 1st rounder and we gave up so much to bring him in coupled with the fact that he isn't doing a good job of replacing Glenn. And remember, Faggins was a late rounder.

P-burnt had a "good" play at the end, there I said it. But go watch the game again and see how much he gets burnt, it happens a lot. He should have got called for the flag on Bryant with that tippy toe tackle.
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It shouldn't matter if a guy is a #1 overall pick or if he is an undrafted free agent. Is it Buchanon's fault our front office gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him?
 
texasguy346 said:
That's the point. If a blind man is capable of seeing something then it's got to be pretty darn obvious. I'll try it again just to make it clear. Riley played awful yet it took Capers and co. several games to realize that he needed to be taken out of the lineup. So imagine how awful PBuch had to have been playing for Capers to realize that he had to be benched during a game.
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The point is our coaches make horrible decisions.
 
texasguy346 said:
And starting Phillip at LCB to begin the season was one of many of their bad decisions.
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Yep. Buchanon was a great move IMO (at the time that's what I thought) and I couldn't wait to see him come in at the nickle. Robinson and Glenn at the corners and Patrick Buchanon as the first guy off the bench? What's not to like?

Then things just went weird. Buchanon was happy to have a new start with his buddy Andre and Glenn was good with everything. You need three good corners if you're going ot play in a division with Indy right? That's what Charlie said anyway. Then all of a sudden Glenn wasn't happy and then Glenn was gone and Buchanon was happy. Then Glenn was in Dallas and he was happy too and Charlie was telling us how this is the way things had to be sometimes.

Say what?

Glenn was under contract for this season. Buchanon wasn't going to cost us jack this season. Before the deal was even widely reported we had Raider fans in here telling us exactly what we were going to see out of Buchanon and they were right about him. Yet our team let Aaron Glenn walk out of here and handed Buchanon the starting job before they'd even seen him in a practice?

Glenn should have been assured that the only way Patrick Buchanon was going to get his job was by beating him out of it soundly. Glenn should be one of our starting corners this year and Buchanon should be our nickle. That makes sense. What we have right now doesn't make any sense at all.

But then Kenny Wright leaves here and starts for Jacksonville. Marlon McCree goes to Carolina and starts for them. Is he starting? I have to confess I don't know but he's got some stats there on NFL.com that look to me like he's doing a hell of a lot more than he did when he was here. These guys can't contribute to our secondary and no attempt is made to keep them here. This goes on and on across our team in every unit. We let guys go or actively run them off and then keep other players who don't seem to be their equal.

I find myself confused by our personnel decisions to say the least.
 
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