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Peyton Manning’s squeaky-clean image was built on lies

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Peyton Manning visibly reacts on the sideline to a loss to the Florida Gators at Neyland Stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee.


Facebook wouldn’t be invented for three more months. Twitter didn’t come for three more years. The word “viral” was still only being used to describe the spread of infectious diseases.

But when the documents were sent to me on Tuesday, two days after the Super Bowl, it was immediately clear to me that had the world actually known what they contained, it’s doubtful that Peyton would have ever been the “swell, golly, gee-whiz” pitchman for Nationwide Insurance, DirecTV or Papa John’s Pizza. Certainly, evangelical op-eds calling him “squeaky clean” and positioning Peyton as the arbiter of all things good and decent in the world simply wouldn’t be the case.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...eaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395
 
This really would not surprise me in the least.

One thing I learned even with my limited experience with dealing with people in the entertainment industry is that the character/persona presented to the public is always artificial, even when there's no attempt to make it that way. For people who are trying to get the public to like them (like people who want to become pitch-men), then it's even more contrived.

That's why I'm not going to hate Arian for being a hipster, or Deandre for being a metrosexual, or Cush for being a meathead, or whatever. People are complex, and even the people you know well, you never really know completely.

I'm happy for anyone able to parlay their image into a successful cash stream, like Peyton, like OJ, like Britney Spears, etc. because that's not easy to do.
 
Peyton is Teflon. Even if stories like this are true, public perception and the desire to hold onto that perception will overwhelm anything that could undermine it.
 
Rockville said:
Maybe so...

“The guy that wrote this story for the New York Daily News, he’s not a journalist,” Whitlock said. “He’s a race hustler from Twitter, from the Black Lives Matter movement who stirs racial controversy to elevate himself..."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/whitlock-calls-out-shaun-king-not-the-quarterback/
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I heard Whitlock on the Dan Patrick show yesterday mentioning that. I was confused when he said that guy was also a white guy who pretended to be black as well? Either way it just screams out as garbage to me.

I'm tired of these stories surfacing. Peyton Manning made that huge mistake 20 years ago. Nobody is doubting that. He should have just admitted he was wrong back then. Look at Kobe Bryant, who's being praised a hero and getting the farewell treatment of a king as he's about to retire into the sunset. Nobody even brings up his sexual assault of that young girl back in the summer of 2003 in Colorado. He settled that issue financially in a civil suit trial back in 2005.

What more does Peyton Manning have to do? That woman was paid $300,000 by the University of Tennessee already. Maybe he has to shell out a smooth $1 million to her to make it go away for good?

We've all done things in our college days that I'm sure we'd be embarrassed about today. Although to strip naked (pull your shorts down) in front of a female trainer and place your testicles and butt cheeks in a manner where her face came into contact with them as she's checking your foot. I mean, maybe not to that extreme but we can all get past that lack of judgment 20 years later if only he had taken accountability.

The fact Peyton Manning continues to deny, deny and deny.
That's the sad part. Even with his HGH controversy. Same thing.

Today's society needs to get over the race card. Commend people for owning up to their mistakes. We have to move on and give second chances. Not dwelling about the same mistakes, over and over again.

To be fair, Peyton Manning has turned his life around since then. He also cheated on his first wife (his first few years playing with the Colts), according to the same articles.

No man is perfect. It sickens me when we're talking about these things.
Peyton Manning was wrong for denying what he did. That's all there is to it.
 
Double Barrel said:
Peyton is Teflon. Even if stories like this are true, public perception and the desire to hold onto that perception will overwhelm anything that could undermine it.
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When you're in position of power, unfortunately, you can make things go away with what Kobe Bryant once called "hush hush money." When the police were first investigating his sexual assault case in Colorado he made mention to a detective that he should have just paid that girl off and given her some hush hush money like Shaquille O'Neal often did.

It sickens me the attitude some of these athletes have. Like they are all above the law, and women are just a form of instant gratification and pleasure that they're entitled to just like their numerous luxury cars.

Jameis Winston is about to be in some more hot water sooner or later. His alleged sexual assault at Florida State isn't entirely over. It's about to come back to the forefront in the next few months. That's a black cloud that continues to hang over him but people tend to overlook it and blow it off. He's an exciting young NFL quarterback and apparently he's moved on past that incident at FSU. What makes it more suspicious to me is the way Jameis Winston goofed around one day on campus and shouted, "F^ck here right in the P^ssy!" which was instantly tweeted about. It just didn't look good and makes me wonder if he really did do what he's accused of.

These young men have to accept accountability if they did commit and engage in those awful things. Denying it is only going to make it worse and it will continue to come back up many years down the road.

And then you have ex athletes who no longer have that fame and power. Like Warren Sapp, who was fired from the NFL Network a few years back for assaulting and soliciting a prostitute. Had he still been an NFL pro bowler in his prime he would have walked away from that with a slap on the wrist (four-game suspension and fine probably in today's game). But he wouldn't have lost his job if he were still an All Pro talent on the field. And some naive fans, would have still been cheering for him and thinking he's some sort of hero and role model. Like they do with Kobe Bryant and even Peyton Manning.

It's hard to find genuinely good people (more importantly great men) in sports and most specifically in the NFL. Guys you know treat people, especially women, with the respect they deserve. J.J. Watt, thankfully, is one of them.
 
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infantrycak said:
Allegedly. Keep in mind this is all unproven allegations.
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It has been pretty much proven practically. A guy who was there apparently even sent Manning a letter telling him to come clean about it at one point.

“Coming clean is the right thing to do!!” Saxon writes to Peyton Manning. “You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...sts-off-peyton-manning-incident-at-tennessee/

Peyton and Archie had set up a gag order and had this ordeal sealed when they first paid her off. They broke it years later when they wrote a book together where this girl was mentioned and they called her out as a big liar again in it. She sued at the time for defamation, and they paid her off again since they basically had to after violating their deal with her. That was the only real reason this came out again like 11 years ago or something like that. Peyton and violated their agreement.
 
The1ApplePie said:
So, he put his balls on a chick when he was 19? Now the University cover-up was pretty missed up.

The writer comes off as a race-baiting Cam Newton lover
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Well he is that, and unfortunately his smear tactic is ugly. Him approaching it from a racial standpoint weakens the intent all together. I only say that, because guys like Big Ben and Brady have been slung through the mud of the media, so to suggest that this is a race thing for black QB's isn't true considering the other examples.

However, I would definitely state that he has a lot of strong points with how Manning has been coddled by the media for many years and protected from a ton of controversy that other QB's like Cam Newton would be vilified for. Cam got all types of crap all season for celebrating TD's and being arrogant for the most part. If this story just came out about Cam right now the flood gates would be pouring in from the media. Cam would never live this thing down, and I think that is part of his point. Cam was not treated the same way that Manning has been throughout Manning's career.

When this comes out to light like it has now, it definitely adds more credence to the HGH suspicion considering the fact that it shows how far that Archie and Peyton will go to cover a story up. Apparently Their lawyer sent some nasty dudes over to the Al Jeezeerah whistle blower's house or business to intimidate them in between their initial accusation and their retort of the whole story. These men showed up lying saying they were cops, and used intimidation tactics from what the reports are now saying.
 
The1ApplePie said:
So, he put his balls on a chick when he was 19? Now the University cover-up was pretty missed up.

The writer comes off as a race-baiting Cam Newton lover
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Well he is that, and unfortunately his smear tactic is ugly. Him approaching it from a racial standpoint weakens the intent all together. I only say that, because guys like Big Ben and Brady have been slung through the mud of the media, so to suggest that this is a race thing for black QB's isn't true considering the other examples.

However, I would definitely state that he has a lot of strong points with how Manning has been coddled by the media for many years and protected from a ton of controversy that other QB's like Cam Newton would be vilified for. Cam got all types of crap all season for celebrating TD's and being arrogant for the most part. If this story just came out about Cam right now the flood gates would be pouring in from the media. Cam would never live this thing down, and I think that is part of his point. Cam was not treated the same way that Manning has been throughout Manning's career.

When this comes out to light like it has now, it definitely adds more credence to the HGH suspicion considering the fact that it shows how far that Archie and Peyton will go to cover a story up. Apparently Their lawyer sent some nasty dudes over to the Al Jeezeerah whistle blower's house or business to intimidate them in between their initial accusation and their retort of the whole story. These men showed up lying saying they were cops, and used intimidation tactics from what the reports are now saying.
 
not going to read article but will say Manning's alleged behavior was many years ago. I will look at how he has done since then.
 
Texecutioner said:
When this comes out to light like it has now, it definitely adds more credence to the HGH suspicion considering the fact that it shows how far that Archie and Peyton will go to cover a story up. Apparently Their lawyer sent some nasty dudes over to the Al Jeezeerah whistle blower's house or business to intimidate them in between their initial accusation and their retort of the whole story. These men showed up lying saying they were cops, and used intimidation tactics from what the reports are now saying.
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Suspicions and teenager mistakes.

Weren't you the one accusing everyone of petty jealousy when Brady and Belichick were proven to have cheated in a playoff game by deflating footballs?

Now back to roasting Manning over suspicions...
 
Brisco_County said:
Suspicions and teenager mistakes.

Weren't you the one accusing everyone of petty jealousy when Brady and Belichick were proven to have cheated in a playoff game by deflating footballs?

Now back to roasting Manning over suspicions...
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Deflategate was the biggest joke and waste of money the NFL has ever wasted time on. They had nothing from the jump, and if you had paid any attention to that case, you'd have known that QB'S have been doing that for like 20 years. Adjusting footballs has always been part of what they do before games. I never once said that I didn't think it happened. You don't just randomly pick a QB to punish when there is an entire offense, a coaching staff, and an owner to question if you are going to at all.

And how does that correlate to a sexual assault case? I guess you've actually got to read it to find out. It doesn't seem like you have. A witness that was there told Manning to fess up years later, and him and his father paid the woman off twice. Meanwhile guys like you run around trashing every QB like Rothlisburger calling him a rapist, or Cam a POS, and call Manning classy. I also don't see how that correlates to an HGH claim where Manning' lawyers sent guys to harass the accusers that lied and said they were cops.

This is exactly why a "black lives matter" advocate jumped all over this to expose it. He was wrong to make it about race, but he was 100% right about the double standard regarding the Manning family. They've been toasted as the first family for decades now, and it's been all a lie. Had this been Cam Newton, the media would fry him like a catfish until he was only allowed to play in the Arena football league.
 
Texecutioner said:
There was a reason why their paid her off twice.
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If they is the Mannings, they didn't pay anything the 1st time, the university did.

Just FYI - tons of lawsuits get settled against the will of the defendants. Other than doctors, insureds/defendents have no control over whether their insurance company pays. So if an insurer can settle a case for $100k it will take $200k to try they'll do it over the screaming objections of their insured.

A lot of this begs to question Manning's honesty in his HGH scandal.
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That's quite the leap. Given his surgeries he likely could have gotten approval for therapeutic use from the NFL. So it doesn't really make sense.

As an aside, all sorts of bizarre stuff coming about King. Like he may not be black at all. He claims to have been at some gun fight at a KFC but the rap guy who was there says no.
 
infantrycak said:
That's quite the leap. Given his surgeries he likely could have gotten approval for therapeutic use from the NFL. So it doesn't really make sense.
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Just an FYI, given his cervical neck procedures/surgeries, an exceptional NFL therapeutic approval of HGH (a banned substance) would not have been given since there has never been any evidence in the medical literature that HGH injections have any effects on the healing of nerve tissues (regeneration).
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Just an FYI, given his cervical neck procedures/surgeries, an exceptional NFL therapeutic approval of HGH (a banned substance) would not have been given since there has never been any evidence in the medical literature that HGH injections have any effects on the healing of nerve tissues (regeneration).
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You can always find an expert/doctor to say what you want. And I suspect the NFL would have been more accommodating for Manning than most.
 
infantrycak said:
You can always find an expert/doctor to say what you want. And I suspect the NFL would have been more accommodating for Manning than most.
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Accommodating maybe, but still doubtful as any legitimate physician (including those affiliated with the NFL) familiar with HGH would know that it wouldn't work as a healing substance in Manning's case.
 
The cynic in me says that both are lying to some degree about what was really going on. Peyton obviously has always had the most to lose through all this..even as a freshman in college. But Peyton (nor Archie for that matter) doesn't seem like the type to lie about something like this........not something that happened when he was 18-20 years old....& then continue to lie about it years later. Furthermore, I have a hard time believing that the incident as she describes it, would be enough for her 2nd employer to fire her, yet that is what happened when Peyton's folks mailed her a copy of what they were planning to write about the incident. Whatever was in that envelope that her boss read before she read it was most likely the truth.

She lost all credibility when she took the payoff from the university imo. If she was as emotionally scarred as she & this writer claims, she stops at nothing to ensure Peyton is exposed. He said she had a "vulgar" mouth..... the name on that envelope sent to her same thing.....the description of the position she was in when the alleged incident happened...Sounds like she got caught topping Peyton off in the training room, tried to lie to get out of it, & then when she saw she was gonna come out looking bad in the whole incident, she threatened to sue the university for them not doing enough to curtail the hostile work environment Rollo & all the other coaches created. & like Cak said, the university just opted to settle with her to keep the whole thing quiet.
 
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Mr teX said:
The cynic in me says that both are lying to some degree about what was really going on. Peyton obviously has always had the most to lose through all this..even as a freshman in college. But Peyton (nor Archie for that matter) doesn't seem like the type to lie about something like this........not something that happened when he was 18-20 years old....& then continue to lie about it years later. Furthermore, I have a hard time believing that the incident as she describes it, would be enough for her 2nd employer to fire her, yet that is what happened when Peyton's folks mailed her a copy of what they were planning to write about the incident. Whatever was in that envelope that her boss read before she read it was most likely the truth.

She lost all credibility when she took the payoff from the university imo. If she was as emotionally scarred as she & this writer claims, she stops at nothing to ensure Peyton is exposed. He said she had a "vulgar" mouth..... the name on that envelope sent to her same thing.....the description of the position she was in when the alleged incident happened...Sounds like she got caught topping Peyton off in the training room, tried to lie to get out of it, & then when she saw she was gonna come out looking bad in the whole incident, she threatened to sue the university for them not doing enough to curtail the hostile work environment Rollo & all the other coaches created. & like Cak said, the university just opted to settle with her to keep the whole thing quiet.
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The credibility of everyone involved is HIGHLY suspect. Mannings, Accusers, Insurance Companies, Universities, Employers, Lawyers and Judges.

Something bad happened, but who is guilty of what is far from certain.
 
'If we're going to get nit-picked for what we did in college, we're all in trouble. This was just a bigger story because of who he is and what he just did, not what he did back then. To me it's sensationalism, somebody trying to get their name out there and use him for a stepping stone.'

--Bruce Arians.

Sounds about right, especially seeing who's championing the story here and elsewhere.
 
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"If we're going to get nit-picked for what we did in college, we're all in trouble."
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JMHO, this statement is complete moral relativism bullshit. Either Arians has a scumbag past in college, or, he's painting everyone with a broad brush in order to protect his boy.

I doubt many of us are guilty of doing something that is perceived as a sexual assault, and I find it very disappointing of Arians to make such a statement. How about just STFU instead of putting a rather lame defense that "everyone does it", which is what it sounds like to me.

I'm not a saint and did some crazy stuff in college, but nothing that I would be ashamed to tell my son about. I doubt Manning will be happy to tell his kids about his actions that started this whole story.

Here's a novel concept in today society: How about Manning be a man and own it. Apologize and truly show remorse. This country can forgive just about anything.

Right now, the story comes off as just another pampered athlete who was sheltered from accountability because his talents are great enough to produce a valuable revenue stream to the college, NFL, and various sponsors. It is very typical of the double-standards that we find ourselves dealing with in this vapid entertainment-obsessed culture. The entire system and it's various actors are scumbagish.
 
Double Barrel said:
JMHO, this statement is complete moral relativism bullshit. Either Arians has a scumbag past in college, or, he's painting everyone with a broad brush in order to protect his boy.
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There's as much evidence for her getting caught 'topping him off' as Mr teX said as there is for any wrong doing. The gist is that this happened 20 years ago and is done ... only dug up by those trying to get their name on a front page. It seems to be working. A race-baiter, with help from the bitters, has turned a story from 1996 into a current topic.
 
Double Barrel said:
JMHO, this statement is complete moral relativism bullshit. Either Arians has a scumbag past in college, or, he's painting everyone with a broad brush in order to protect his boy.

I doubt many of us are guilty of doing something that is perceived as a sexual assault, and I find it very disappointing of Arians to make such a statement. How about just STFU instead of putting a rather lame defense that "everyone does it", which is what it sounds like to me.

I'm not a saint and did some crazy stuff in college, but nothing that I would be ashamed to tell my son about. I doubt Manning will be happy to tell his kids about his actions that started this whole story.

Here's a novel concept in today society: How about Manning be a man and own it. Apologize and truly show remorse. This country can forgive just about anything.

Right now, the story comes off as just another pampered athlete who was sheltered from accountability because his talents are great enough to produce a valuable revenue stream to the college, NFL, and various sponsors. It is very typical of the double-standards that we find ourselves dealing with in this vapid entertainment-obsessed culture. The entire system and it's various actors are scumbagish.
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Manning's attorneys had 3 pages of the proceedings redacted. That certainly wasn't to hide something positive to Manning's case.
 
Scooter said:
There's as much evidence for her getting caught 'topping him off' as Mr teX said as there is for any wrong doing. The gist is that this happened 20 years ago and is done ... only dug up by those trying to get their name on a front page. It seems to be working. A race-baiter, with help from the bitters, has turned a story from 1996 into a current topic.
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Now there's a real stretch of the facts in play. That would have been a mutual consent thing that would not have put Manning in much if any jeopardy if it did indeed occur. He has never purported that this was the case.........because it wasn't.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Now there's a real stretch of the facts in play. That would have been a mutual consent thing that would not have put Manning in much if any jeopardy if it did indeed occur. He has never purported that this was the case.........because it wasn't.
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That's just it though there aren't really any facts...just her story of what allegedly happened and then a story that someone made up that Manning apparently ran with.
Sure it would've been a mutual consent thing..that doesn't mean that either party wants that out there though.....especially with both where they are in their lives now. From a reputation and career perspective both could've lost out if a scandal like that broke out back then. He just has the money and platform to craft/repair his image and she doesn't.

There's more to this story than either is letting on for their own reputation all reasons and as I said above, the timing of this story is just too suspicious.
 
Dr. Jamie Naughright, the former University of Tennessee trainer who accused quarterback Peyton Manning of sexually assaulting her in 1996, made a series of bizarre and unfounded complaints to a Florida sheriff’s department in 2014, according to police records obtained by The Daily Caller.

Naughright, who resides in Lakeland, Fla., made numerous calls to the Polk County sheriff’s department between March and November of 2014, claiming that she was being stalked and threatened by various men that she knew. She also claimed that an associate and caretaker of hers had made a pornographic website with her pictures on it.

The Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins first reported on the existence of the documents in a column on Thursday.

The records also show that in Nov. 2014, Naughright claimed that a man she met while receiving mental health treatment at a Florida hospital had threatened her after they got into a heated argument over the lawsuits she filed against Manning, who recently won the Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos
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Mr teX said:
That's just it though there aren't really any facts...just her story of what allegedly happened and then a story that someone made up that Manning apparently ran with.
Sure it would've been a mutual consent thing..that doesn't mean that either party wants that out there though.....especially with both where they are in their lives now. From a reputation and career perspective both could've lost out if a scandal like that broke out back then. He just has the money and platform to craft/repair his image and she doesn't.

There's more to this story than either is letting on for their own reputation all reasons and as I said above, the timing of this story is just too suspicious.
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You've got to actually keep up with the story that has been out man.

Manning's own teammate who he tried to say that he mooned didn't even defend Manning later. He came right out in an official letter and told Manning to come clean.


Saxon, the key witness, refuted Manning's version of events in an affidavit. The document cites a letter written from Saxon to Manning depicting his version of events. Saxon writes that he lost his eligibility because of his truthfulness on the incident in question. He writes, in part:

"Peyton, you messed up. I still don't know why you dropped your drawers. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe not. But it was definitely inappropriate. Please take some personal responsibility...

"You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. It's going to help you out in the long run as well. Your celebrity doesn't mean that you can treat folks this way."

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-new...ssault-tennessee-case-documents-colts-broncos

I guess everyone is a liar but Peyton and his daddy Archie who had everything to lose here. :roast:
 
infantrycak said:
What you cited doesn't contradict either story. And oddly he was never deposed by either side.
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It doesn't contradict Manning's version of it being just a friendly mooning that was a joke? You might want to read it again.

He not only called Manning's version complete horseshit, but told him to come clean and save his dignity. You can put blinders on all you want, but I'm not dumb enough to think you aren't capable of understanding exactly what he meant.

The media not breathing a word about this guy's involvement in this whole thing is kind of hilarious. They really want it to go away.
 
Yeah buddy, "dropped your drawers" is exactly how I would describe 'rub your perineum on her nose.' As usual you have chosen a team rather than objectivity.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah buddy, "dropped your drawers" is exactly how I would describe 'rub your perineum on her nose.' As usual you have chosen a team rather than objectivity.
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That's my thing, both of those guys' comments seem to be coming from the perspective of either not wanting to be involved or still being pissed off b/c they are still being associated with this story.

The writer tries to use her reputation amongst her peers and education credentials to build her up as not just some "girl". But then he neglects to mention her litigation and mental health histories. It's also quite funny that these incidents always revolve around her being violated or harassed sexually in some way or another.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah buddy, "dropped your drawers" is exactly how I would describe 'rub your perineum on her nose.' As usual you have chosen a team rather than objectivity.
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You either haven't read anything about what was reported, or you are the guy that has chosen the team which would be your style Cak. It's hilarious that you of all people would even try to accuse someone of that.
 
Nothing will of this legally because it is too late which is too bad that is the only way to get the most accurate answer.
 
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