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Percy Harvin

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Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.

It's really hard to say. On one hand, some teams could be absolutely enamored with his speed and ability to make plays any time the ball is in his hands. On the other hand, I think his small stature, in combination with his origins from a "gimmick" offense, will lead teams to believe that he is a situational player at best in the NFL.

Please share your thoughts. I'm very interested on this matter.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.
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Who would use a 2nd round pick on Reggie Bush himself?

Personally, I think he's either going to be the next Florida bust or character issues will hinder his career's progress. Either way, I wouldn't use a first day pick on him.
 
mexican_texan said:
Who would use a 2nd round pick on Reggie Bush himself?

Personally, I think he's either going to be the next Florida bust or character issues will hinder his career's progress. Either way, I wouldn't use a first day pick on him.
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Is Reggie a full-time back? No, but he is a very dangerous 3rd down back. Any second rounder who produces as much as he does would be considered a success. But that's a different debate-- I just used Bush as an example because Harvin could potentially be utilized in a very similar way.
 
mexican_texan said:
Who would use a 2nd round pick on Reggie Bush himself?

Personally, I think he's either going to be the next Florida bust or character issues will hinder his career's progress. Either way, I wouldn't use a first day pick on him.
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are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...

...then you rate Percy Harvin at best as a 3rd Round talent? really? say what you want about the offense he played in, but he played in the SEC and he busted plays open and made people miss in the open field....once he got loose it was taken to the house. The guy has 1st Round talent written all over him and diminuitive statures are not necessarily a hindrance, players like Sproles and Jones-Drew have shown that even Barry Sanders. sometimes it helps keep you hidden behind your blockers. the only thing lack of size points to is possible durabilty issues and thats a given with any back in the league.

to each his own but you seem to be grading running backs pretty harshly...even productive ones that have been very dynamic and helped his team win football games. bush is a good football player. #2 overall good. who knows but there have been lots of busts at #2 overall and that is one thing Reggie is not. Reggie is no bust.
 
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SF49erFaithful said:
Is Reggie a full-time back? No, but he is a very dangerous 3rd down back. Any second rounder who produces as much as he does would be considered a success. But that's a different debate-- I just used Bush as an example because Harvin could potentially be utilized in a very similar way.
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I agree, Reggie is villafied for being a #2 overall. If the guy would have been picked in the middle of the first, then you would say that he was a decent pick. It also doesn't help his name on this board.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...
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when you consider what many second round backs like portis, mjd, forte, even slaton in the 3rd have produced, i kinda see what hes saying. reggie has come nowhere near their production or level of play

if the saints decided to go with beanie wells & pierre thomas next year and decided to trade reggie, imo they wouldnt get near a 2nd rd pick for him
 
1st round talent that will drop due to character issues. My guess is he goes to Tennessee in the 2nd round. I hope the Texans don't touch him in any round.
 
Maddict5 said:
if the saints decided to go with beanie wells & pierre thomas next year and decided to trade reggie, imo they wouldnt get near a 2nd rd pick for him
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The contract he received as the #2 pick, makes Bush pretty much untradeable.
 
I sure hope he doesn't go to the Tacks. If you thought our defense looked bad last year put Johnson and Harvin on the field together and the Tacks will make our defense look worse than it did last year. If that's possible.

Harvin was the best playmaker in college football last year IMO. Teaming him up with Johnson would be scary becuse they both can play RB & have great hands so you can split either one of them out at WR or the slot.

This would create matchup nightmares for any defense, let alone the Texans sorry excuse of a defense that they had last year.
 
I think he drops to the second round. He's got speed to go outside and I'm assuming that's while he probably be moved full time outisde. But, there's a lot more polished receivers in this draft ahead of him. Does he have the discipline to run routes is my biggest question about him.

Far as Reggie...seriously SH if you had to do that draft all over knowing what we know now Reggie Bush is STILL overall worth the #2 pick? Ok.....
 
Lucky said:
The contract he received as the #2 pick, makes Bush pretty much untradeable.
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That's my understanding, which is that the Saints have already worked out a new contract which is very lucrative. I know he's very popular with the NOLA fans, but beyond that how is he worth a new supposedly superior contract to the origional and if they're paying all of that money why can't they figure out the best way to use him ? We know he's not going to be the regular running back, so why don't they make him a starting receiver ?
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.

It's really hard to say. On one hand, some teams could be absolutely enamored with his speed and ability to make plays any time the ball is in his hands. On the other hand, I think his small stature, in combination with his origins from a "gimmick" offense, will lead teams to believe that he is a situational player at best in the NFL.

Please share your thoughts. I'm very interested on this matter.
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sounds hopefull of being there for the 49'ers 2nd rd. pick
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
1st round talent that will drop due to character issues. My guess is he goes to Tennessee in the 2nd round. I hope the Texans don't touch him in any round.
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I agree with ya on that OMT...If I were looking for a burner with no character issues, I'll Take Johnny Knox in the 4th
 
Second Honeymoon said:
are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...
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It was a bit of a hyperbole, but Bush obviously wasn't worth the #2 overall.
...then you rate Percy Harvin at best as a 3rd Round talent? really? say what you want about the offense he played in, but he played in the SEC and he busted plays open and made people miss in the open field....once he got loose it was taken to the house. The guy has 1st Round talent written all over him and diminuitive statures are not necessarily a hindrance, players like Sproles and Jones-Drew have shown that even Barry Sanders. sometimes it helps keep you hidden behind your blockers. the only thing lack of size points to is possible durabilty issues and thats a given with any back in the league.
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Not talent, value. He definitely has top of the 1st round talent, but so did Pac-Man. I'm not saying Harvin is even in the same level as Pac-Man, but I can't picture Harvin in the league in 8 years.

to each his own but you seem to be grading running backs pretty harshly...even productive ones that have been very dynamic and helped his team win football games. bush is a good football player. #2 overall good. who knows but there have been lots of busts at #2 overall and that is one thing Reggie is not. Reggie is no bust.
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That's what people said when I called Benson a bust before the draft. I didn't see anything special in him, I thought he was a product of a great offensive line(speaking of which, what happened to Jonathan Scott?). How can you possibly say Bush is worth the #2 overall pick? I don't think he has a future as a running back, I always thought he'd have trouble running inside. As a receiver, he can be a star, but I don't know if the Saints would be willing to do that.

Is Bush worth a 1st round pick...maybe. Depending on the offense, he could be a very dangerous weapon. The keyword there is weapon. As I said, he's not a traditional running back, if you even want him there. But #2 overall? Admittedly, that was a pretty weak draft, Mario and Donte' Whitner are probably the only ones in the top 10 who deserved the selection. DeAngelo Williams and MoJo Drew are heads and shoulders the best running backs from that draft, with Leon Washington and LenDale White. A lot of us said LenDale would be the better pro as a running back...that looks to be the case.
 
Is late as he goes is 18 to the Broncos. Percy would be the perfect wildcard weapon in the spread offense and would be a sick addition to Royal and Marshall on the outside.
 
When they have serious holes on defense? I don't think they go offense in the first day unless Sanchez is there with their first pick.
 
mexican_texan said:
When they have serious holes on defense? I don't think they go offense in the first day unless Sanchez is there with their first pick.
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McDaniels traded away his franchise QB because he didn't fit the system. The offense is obviously No. 1 on the list and the spread takes special players. A third WR in the spread will see the field every play
 
The1ApplePie said:
McDaniels traded away his franchise QB because he didn't fit the system. The offense is obviously No. 1 on the list and the spread takes special players. A third WR in the spread will see the field every play
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McDaniels allegedly attempted to trade Cutler because he felt Cassel was a "better" fit for his system. Cutler was finally traded after the Broncos organization felt that they couldn't patch up their relationship with Cutler. At no point did any sane person believe that Cutler wouldn't "fit the system".

You have a hard enough time making people believe we need to use a 1st round pick to replace Kevin Walter, who is incidentally one of the most productive # 2 WRs in the league despite having to fight with AJ/OD/Slaton for touches. Please stop now before you try to convince people that Cutler wasn't a fit for the spread offense McDaniels is bringing to Denver.
 
Harvin will be a luxury pick for a team at the back end of the first round. I think the Ravens, Titans, or Giants are real possibilities because those teams have hardly any holes other than WR.

As far as Bush goes, I think Harvin could play a similar role with whatever team takes him. He could line up in the backfield and run a little bit, but more often he would be used as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot.

First round talent, but without a true position. That's why I think a team with few holes takes a shot at him. They can afford the luxury of passing up other first round players.
 
beerlover said:
sounds hopefull of being there for the 49'ers 2nd rd. pick
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I hope we don't pick him up. As mentioned earlier, he'd be a luxury pick; the 49ers definitely have too many holes to burn on that kind of pick. Most would argue that he could start at WR, but his small and wiry frame will prevent him from being productive at that position in my opinion. However, he could be a good ST producer and threat on screens or end-arounds. I like Harvin and hope he is utilized that way in the NFL because that's the only way I see him succeeding.
 
Maddict5 said:
when you consider what many second round backs like portis, mjd, forte, even slaton in the 3rd have produced, i kinda see what hes saying. reggie has come nowhere near their production or level of play

if the saints decided to go with beanie wells & pierre thomas next year and decided to trade reggie, imo they wouldnt get near a 2nd rd pick for him
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so because 4 backs have been drafted and have been productive, that makes Bush not a 2nd Round draft pick? slaton, mjd, and portis have been productive and have played worthy of a 1st Round pick but that doesnt mean Bush hasn't.

geez, the haterade for Bush around here is crazy. go check out the guys numbers and realize that just because someone in the later rounds gives 1st Round production doesnt mean that someone who has been productive in the 1st Round is a bust. It only means that the teams that drafted MJD, Slaton, and Portis got more value out of their pick...it doesn't mean that Bush is a bust....

...but whatever. keep the Reggie Sucks torch burning...
 
Goldensilence said:
I think he drops to the second round. He's got speed to go outside and I'm assuming that's while he probably be moved full time outisde. But, there's a lot more polished receivers in this draft ahead of him. Does he have the discipline to run routes is my biggest question about him.

Far as Reggie...seriously SH if you had to do that draft all over knowing what we know now Reggie Bush is STILL overall worth the #2 pick? Ok.....
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Golden, I said that Reggie hasn't given #2 overall pick value but to say the guy should have been drafted in the 3rd Round is just retarded. You didn't say that but its been said. That was my point.

To say Reggie isn't #2 overall pick worthy is one thing...but to say he is a 3rd Round talent is just moronic and haterade-ful.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
so because 4 backs have been drafted and have been productive, that makes Bush not a 2nd Round draft pick? slaton, mjd, and portis have been productive and have played worthy of a 1st Round pick but that doesnt mean Bush hasn't.

geez, the haterade for Bush around here is crazy. go check out the guys numbers and realize that just because someone in the later rounds gives 1st Round production doesnt mean that someone who has been productive in the 1st Round is a bust. It only means that the teams that drafted MJD, Slaton, and Portis got more value out of their pick...it doesn't mean that Bush is a bust....

...but whatever. keep the Reggie Sucks torch burning...
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bush isnt a bust but hes hasnt produced anywhere near a 1st rounder. and sorry but all the guys i mentioned are complete backs = first rd type backs

reggie is a one dimensional weapon in the passing game and is nowhere near enough of a threat in that aspect to warrant a first rd pick. that kind of situational rb is only worth a mid rd pick (ask kyle shanahan)
 
Reggie Bush, to me, is the quentisential (spelling?) playmaker that playoff teams draft at the end of the 1st round to give them that extra little something.

There's no way he's worth #2 overall money, but I will say that Sean Payton is using him exactly how he should be. In terms of value, he wasn't selected in the right spot. What's done is done though, the Saints are using him the best way they can. He's not a primary RB, but a very important cog in their offense and special teams.

I see Percy Harvin as a similar type of player. Should get drafted by a playoff calibre team that can use a player like him. With his character issues though, I see him dropping slightly. A team selecting him and thinking he's going to change their team (for the better) is severely mistaken. A successful offense can make Harvin a dynamic player. Harvin alone, cannot make a bad offense good though.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Golden, I said that Reggie hasn't given #2 overall pick value but to say the guy should have been drafted in the 3rd Round is just retarded. You didn't say that but its been said. That was my point.

To say Reggie isn't #2 overall pick worthy is one thing...but to say he is a 3rd Round talent is just moronic and haterade-ful.
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You're wasting your time here, because certain folks in here hate the guy so much that they'll just never get over it and see how well he helps his teams on offense. BUsh was a freaking stud last season before he got hurt and who cares where he makes his plays rushing or receiving, the guy was making plays period and any player who is making plays and scoring the mount of TD's that Bush was is worth a lot to their team. Personally I love players like Bush. You just have to know how to use them. Bush is first round talent for sure, but just not as an every down back at all. He isn't a good runner in between the tackles and that is obvious now, but as a KR and short pass WR the guy makes all kinds of plays and if he gets some space on a hand off he can make nice gains as well.

Bush was having an excellent season last year, but he ended up getting hurt. I think he'll do real well again this season.
 
OK, so that first year, I dogged Bush because I hated how people were treating Mario.

But honestly, he's a good player. He's not Gale Sayers. He's not Barry Sanders. But he's a good player. He's a game changer. He's a gifted returner; in the return game, he's Jacoby Jones without the heart attacks AND with more production. That alone is worth a first day pick. He's also very, very good out of the backfield. Those 88 receptions his rookie season are hard to argue against. He's not a between the tackles runner, he's not even a guy that consistently turns the corner, but he's dangerous.

In our offense, I think he could have been special.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Golden, I said that Reggie hasn't given #2 overall pick value but to say the guy should have been drafted in the 3rd Round is just retarded. You didn't say that but its been said. That was my point.

To say Reggie isn't #2 overall pick worthy is one thing...but to say he is a 3rd Round talent is just moronic and haterade-ful.
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I guess it depends what you want your RB to do. I think his real value is late 1st - early second. Some people can let go of the once in lifetime hype and others say oh well here's his real value.


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Of course this doesn't include his return yards. While nothing pops out at you he's solid all around. Probably would've totalled about 1,700 yards from the LOS.



I think the Harvin/Bush comparisons are pretty spot on and I think his value is late 1st early second round. I don't get all the people saying they hope he doesn't go to Tenn. Collins can't utilize his WRs fully and he wouldn't get a lot of touches in the running game behind lard and tard.

My REAL nightmare with Harvin is Indy drafting him. Imagine Wayne and Gonzalez outside, then choosing between covering Clark or Harvin in the slot. He'd also be perfect on the stretch plays Indy traditionally loves to run. I can only imagine coordiantors nightmares in thinking all the ways Peyton would use him to gain mismatches.
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
OK, so that first year, I dogged Bush because I hated how people were treating Mario.

But honestly, he's a good player. He's not Gale Sayers. He's not Barry Sanders. But he's a good player. He's a game changer. He's a gifted returner; in the return game, he's Jacoby Jones without the heart attacks AND with more production. That alone is worth a first day pick. He's also very, very good out of the backfield. Those 88 receptions his rookie season are hard to argue against. He's not a between the tackles runner, he's not even a guy that consistently turns the corner, but he's dangerous.

In our offense, I think he could have been special.
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See Steve Slaton

From a physical standpoint Slaton is a less-talented Reggie Bush. He had all the same knocks and all the same strengths. Kubes had months to draw up Reggie plays before draft day, you can bet Slaton is running plenty of those.

I have given up defending Reggie on this board, its pointless

This board only tolerates part-time players from USC if their uncle played for the Oilers
 
The1ApplePie said:
See Steve Slaton

From a physical standpoint Slaton is a less-talented Reggie Bush. He had all the same knocks and all the same strengths. Kubes had months to draw up Reggie plays before draft day, you can bet Slaton is running plenty of those.

I have given up defending Reggie on this board, its pointless

This board only tolerates part-time players from USC if their uncle played for the Oilers
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Who is Taylor Mays' uncle?
 
The1ApplePie said:
See Steve Slaton

From a physical standpoint Slaton is a less-talented Reggie Bush. He had all the same knocks and all the same strengths. Kubes had months to draw up Reggie plays before draft day, you can bet Slaton is running plenty of those.

I have given up defending Reggie on this board, its pointless

This board only tolerates part-time players from USC if their uncle played for the Oilers
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I'm not knocking Reggie, because I am a fan. He was a lock to start on my fantasy team whenever he dressed out. I got burned a couple of times, but more times than not, he is one of the guys I could expect to perform. & Whether you like FF or not, it is simply a measure of performance. Guys who don't perform, are usually not active.

But he and Slaton are two different guys all together. Steve Slaton is a tough guy with speed. Reggie is a Shifty guy with Speed. Even if Kubiak is putting Slaton through plays designed for Reggie(which I seriously doubt, because Kubiak would have to have been an ***** to consider Reggie/Slaton with the #1 overall, much less any top ten pick) things wouldn't have worked out the same.

When SS sees a hole, he's going to burst through it, then open up on the other side.

Reggie, isn't going any where near that hole, if he sees an arm flapping around in it. But there have been some serious cut back lanes, that none of the RBs we've had could get to. Either because they didn't see it, or they weren't athletic enough.

Reggie needs space, so that he can do what he do. SS not so much.

But, Reggie is more like Jacoby Jones than SS, as far as the personnel on our team goes anyway.
 
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I'm not knocking Reggie, because I am a fan. He was a lock to start on my fantasy team whenever he dressed out. I got burned a couple of times, but more times than not, he is one of the guys I could expect to perform. & Whether you like FF or not, it is simply a measure of performance. Guys who don't perform, are usually not active.

But he and Slaton are two different guys all together. Steve Slaton is a tough guy with speed. Reggie is a Shifty guy with Speed. Even if Kubiak is putting Slaton through plays designed for Reggie(which I seriously doubt, because Kubiak would have to have been an ***** to consider Reggie/Slaton with the #1 overall, much less any top ten pick) things wouldn't have worked out the same.

When SS sees a hole, he's going to burst through it, then open up on the other side.

Reggie, isn't going any where near that hole, if he sees an arm flapping around in it. But there have been some serious cut back lanes, that none of the RBs we've had could get to. Either because they didn't see it, or they weren't athletic enough.

Reggie needs space, so that he can do what he do. SS not so much.

But, Reggie is more like Jacoby Jones than SS, as far as the personnel on our team goes anyway.
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SS had the same exact running style as Reggie comming out of the draft. Shaping him to go against his natural tendancies was the single biggest question mark.

The Texans were going to take Reggie Bush No. 1 for months right up until Mario signed the contract the day before the draft. You can believe that Kubes had stacks of plays ready for Reggie before Mario came our way instead. I doubt he took those plays and tossed them in the garbage.
 
Well, apparently the rumors were true about Harvin smoking tree.

Honestly, I question his intelligence more than anything else. I mean, testing positive at an event which you've known about for your entire life? What a dumbass!

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Mike Florio, of ProFootballTalk.com, reports Florida WR Percy Harvin did test positive for marijuana at the NFL Scouting Combine, which confirms a previous report from NFLDraftBible.com about the receiver.
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HOU-TEX said:
Well, apparently the rumors were true about Harvin smoking tree.

Honestly, I question his intelligence more than anything else. I mean, testing positive at an event which you've known about for your entire life? What a dumbass!



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My thoughts exactly. You can't quit just for a few months when it means Millions? You've got to question the decisions that these guys might make in the future if they are so dumb that they aren't even smart enough to put the weed down just for like two months before the combine and their work outs.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...

...then you rate Percy Harvin at best as a 3rd Round talent? really? say what you want about the offense he played in, but he played in the SEC and he busted plays open and made people miss in the open field....once he got loose it was taken to the house. The guy has 1st Round talent written all over him and diminuitive statures are not necessarily a hindrance, players like Sproles and Jones-Drew have shown that even Barry Sanders. sometimes it helps keep you hidden behind your blockers. the only thing lack of size points to is possible durabilty issues and thats a given with any back in the league.

to each his own but you seem to be grading running backs pretty harshly...even productive ones that have been very dynamic and helped his team win football games. bush is a good football player. #2 overall good. who knows but there have been lots of busts at #2 overall and that is one thing Reggie is not. Reggie is no bust.
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What else can you label a guy who was the 2nd overall pick at RB and called the second coming who averages 3.7 yards a carry with 13 fumbles. He is a bust man, its just the truth.

Back to Harvin, he is a late 1st round early 2nd talent. His ability to run some gimmik packages helps, but being that small leads to injury problems.
 
BigBull17 said:
What else can you label a guy who was the 2nd overall pick at RB and called the second coming who averages 3.7 yards a carry with 13 fumbles. He is a bust man, its just the truth.

Back to Harvin, he is a late 1st round early 2nd talent. His ability to run some gimmik packages helps, but being that small leads to injury problems.
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IMO, after the latest findings on Harvin, a team would have to take a huge gamble in the 1st on a player who will already be on probation. I think he slides big time and is likely off many teams 1st day boards.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.

It's really hard to say. On one hand, some teams could be absolutely enamored with his speed and ability to make plays any time the ball is in his hands. On the other hand, I think his small stature, in combination with his origins from a "gimmick" offense, will lead teams to believe that he is a situational player at best in the NFL.

Please share your thoughts. I'm very interested on this matter.
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Questions on his durablity......questions....more than two sources...about the wacky weedy......although I believe if Rodger Goodell has this kind of leak.....his security has been breached....he's got more problems than just a leak......

If Harven was clean....mid to late first round.....with the question marks....third to fourth round......and who ever takes him before that, probably breached security....and needs not only to be fined but striped of all their day one picks in 2010. As in all life the thing that stops the leaks, or car jackings...or pirates in the Indian ocean....or bank hold ups, is the will to do it.
 
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IMO, after the latest findings on Harvin, a team would have to take a huge gamble in the 1st on a player who will already be on probation. I think he slides big time and is likely off many teams 1st day boards.
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1st round maybe, but he wont slide to day two. Too much speed and Oakland has a 2nd round pick.
 
My thoughts on RB, king of the swamp...I said before that draft that he'll do in the NFL exactly what he did in college.....weak between the tackles and bounce everything out side. I also posted that if you contained him on the side lines.....he would be manageable by defenses. We dodged a bullet. That's what I know about Reggie.

And thunder kiss.....I've yet to see Slaton duck his neck and dodge contact between the tackles.....I'm just wondering what you posted in '06 about Reggie Bush running between the tackles ?

differences....one is willing to tread where angles wouldn't go and one isn't.
 
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I wouldn't take a WR in round 1 unless we drop back and that is the best player on the board. The fact he smokes optimo will surely land him away from Mr. Mcnair. Okoye did it but it was when he was younger.

As for the whole Reggie Bush thing. I think he is good at what he does. He's only a bust because of what spot he got drafted in because he isn't a primary back and that is what you expect out of a guy that got drafted #2. That shows that he wasn't #1 material after all but he's still a good player. I think if he got drafted here, he wouldn't have had as good a career because we didn't have the other parts in place like QB at the time, and a premiere RB.
 
El Tejano said:
I wouldn't take a WR in round 1 unless we drop back and that is the best player on the board. The fact he smokes optimo will surely land him away from Mr. Mcnair. Okoye did it but it was when he was younger.

As for the whole Reggie Bush thing. I think he is good at what he does. He's only a bust because of what spot he got drafted in because he isn't a primary back and that is what you expect out of a guy that got drafted #2. That shows that he wasn't #1 material after all but he's still a good player. I think if he got drafted here, he wouldn't have had as good a career because we didn't have the other parts in place like QB at the time, and a premiere RB.
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There is also a difference in that Okoye just admitted to trying it before and Harvin tested positive at the combine.

I did it in high school three or four times but it just wasn't my thing so I stopped. That is way different than if I failed a drug test at the most important job interview of my life.
 
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