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I wished I had saved the article, but I remember reading an op-ed piece about Buchanan and Babin being Caper's choices, which Casserly objected to but made the deal for them for his HC anyway. I don't know how true this is, but judging from the comments on the board, it seems more truth than fiction.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
I can understand why you feel that way Vinny, but I think Capers is a bigger problem than you think. Change the coaching staff and the emphasis on what is needed and I think Casserly will continue to do a good job. I still believe Capers has forced more of the picks than you think. I still think the basic startup was wrong based on the way Capers likes to do things. I believe this first attempt was dummed from the start, sad to say. Wouldn't have thought so, but hindsight kind of suggest it.
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I'd also have to say the coaching staff needs to shoulder a good portion of the blame. The list of players that have improved and stayed improved (not just peaked for a few games) after joining the Texans is short indeed. It is the coach's responsibility to take them to higher levels.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
I can understand why you feel that way Vinny, but I think Capers is a bigger problem than you think. Change the coaching staff and the emphasis on what is needed and I think Casserly will continue to do a good job.
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There is no way that Casserly forced picks on Dom Capers. If you looked on the draft room webcam, Casserly was always there, I rarely saw Capers.

4 draft picks for players that are currently sitting on the bench is unacceptable. And as Hookem pointed out in another thread, many people mix up Casserly for bringing the championships to Washington. The teams were already fielded by the time he took over.

Like they say, the **** rolls uphill, and Casserly is atop that mountain.
 
Double Barrel said:
Man, if that's the case, I might have to see if there's any room on that "fire Caper's" badwagon, too... ;)
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I've got your avatar right here man. As soon as you're ready to join up.
 
I think the o-line problems are about 45% players, 45% coaches and 10% GM. Ibar makes sense that the blocking scheme change doesn't seem to make much sense. That falls on the coaching staff. The players are average at best no matter what the scheme. That falls on the players, coaches and the GM.
 
I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching Ibar...but Coaching is close behind. I'd put more blame on Casserly than Capers at this point....but I'm ready to get rid of them all.
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I'll start by saying that I obviously don't know anything. But I will say this - other teams plug in guys and cruise right along. The Colts are playing two second-year guys (Jake Scott and Ryan Lilja) that were not 1st round picks, not media-hyped to be the next coming of Boselli or whoever, and they're doing the job. Cincy lost two centers in the game against us, plugged in a guy at Center who had never played the position, and they chugged right along and beat us. The Chargers are starting two second year guys and a third year guy and I've never heard of any of them. Maybe our scouting team is not better than theirs, but I think a larger portion of the blame should go to the coaches for mismanaging them.
 
Vinny said:
I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching Ibar...but Coaching is close behind. I'd put more blame on Casserly than Capers at this point....but I'm ready to get rid of them all.
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Capers was hired ONLY because he was organized(skills) enough to start a team from scratch like Carolina. He wasn't hired for his coaching abilities. He organized a team so now stick a fork in him. He apparently can't coach!

bobby 119C :brickwall
 
eriadoc said:
I'll start by saying that I obviously don't know anything. But I will say this - other teams plug in guys and cruise right along. The Colts are playing two second-year guys (Jake Scott and Ryan Lilja) that were not 1st round picks, not media-hyped to be the next coming of Boselli or whoever, and they're doing the job. Cincy lost two centers in the game against us, plugged in a guy at Center who had never played the position, and they chugged right along and beat us. The Chargers are starting two second year guys and a third year guy and I've never heard of any of them. Maybe our scouting team is not better than theirs, but I think a larger portion of the blame should go to the coaches for mismanaging them.
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I agree. And the sad thing is that the guy mismanaging them is now running our offense?!
 
However, in the off season Capers made the decision to change to a different blocking scheme for which he had no players. The result has been the loss of any assemblance of an O-line, because the players we have do not fit well into that particular scheme.
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I thought the zone blocking had nothing to do with our pass blocking?
 
I disagree that Capers is a bad coach, he is just quilty of bad judgement & loyalty to his associates :wacko:
 
if we're going to play the blame game let's leave out the owner bob mcnair...he has been the ideal owner...not getting involved like jerry has...as for casserly and the coaches that's a different story...i don't care if capers was asking him to bring in babin or pbuc...i doesn't matter...casserly has been around the league long enough to know a good player...he traded too much to get those two guys and that is considered his downfall...not the guys he missed in the draft...because 31 other teams missed that player too...as far as capers goes i hate...ABSOLUTELY HATE when i hear we're playing not to lose...srew that man...let's play to win...get these guys motivated to play...keep the scheme's simply...lace up the cleats and GATA (get after their ***)...no more of this let's prepare and over analyze things...just play the game
 
texan279 said:
I thought the zone blocking had nothing to do with our pass blocking?
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You are correct, but no matter how many times you tell some people (Ibar for example) they will keep on bringing it up as the down fall of the pass blocking.
 
keyfro said:
casserly has been around the league long enough to know a good player...he traded too much to get those two guys and that is considered his downfall...
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Kind of, IMO. Not every player is right for every system. Specialized systems run by some coaches will best run with certain type players. The specialist who runs or designed that system should know best what is needed far more than a general NFL guy like Casserly. That makes it natural for Capers/Fangio to go to Casserly and say Babin is what we really need to implement what we want to do on D, get him if you can. The flip side is Casserly shouldn't blindly go Christmas shopping for the coach. Once the deal gets too rich to move up he should turn to the coach and say sorry we are going to have to gamble to see if he drops or find a replacement later. The letter to Santa may be Capers', but Casserly was the dad that decided to pay the price for the gift.
 
infantrycak said:
Once the deal gets too rich to move up he should turn to the coach and say sorry we are going to have to gamble to see if he drops or find a replacement later.
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And that's why Cass has got to bear a large part of the blame for the Babin
deal, even if he was indifferent about Babin to start with. He's the one who
in control of the Draft picks and has got to exercise some discipline.
 
infantrycak said:
You are correct, but no matter how many times you tell some people (Ibar for example) they will keep on bringing it up as the down fall of the pass blocking.
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It does, but you can't convince them that it doesn't. Changes the gaps among other things and that's why Denver needs a roll out passer to avoid the rush. I believe the principle is that you move your pocket, but the zone blocking scheme requires a QB to move around. Its not designed to take advantage of the passing attack. Its designed for the running game. Anyway that was the beginning of our downfall whether you like it or not...........
 
In addition the kind of personnel required to operate out of the zone blocking scheme is different from the traditional blocking scheme if we could use that term. Zone blocking utilizes smaller quicker players which we did not have. That is why I keep saying if you look at the team you will see that Capers does not utilize and adapt to the players talents. He tries to make them fit into his scheme even when its not possible.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
In addition the kind of personnel required to operate out of the zone blocking scheme is different from the traditional blocking scheme if we could use that term. Zone blocking utilizes smaller quicker players which we did not have. That is why I keep saying if you look at the team you will see that Capers does not utilize and adapt to the players talents. He tries to make them fit into his scheme even when its not possible.
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Zone blocking does not require smaller quicker players its just that teams use this scheme becasue they lack the size for traditional blocking schemes (the pocket QB). The one thing zone blocking is supposed to enhance is a dominant running game, even when they stack the box you should avg. 3-4 yards per carry. So if the Texans use the zone blocking and are effective Davis should be rushing for around 100 yards a game (or feature back). But whats happening is the line is getting blown up, losing any penetration to make it work and collapsing around the corners. sometimes when David feels the pressure he reacts to the left and he's unable to throw across his body with pursit on his backside. other times its a delayed blitz when one or two rushers come up the middle un-blocked.

Zone blocking will not help the situation until the Texans commit to the run regardless of size or mobility & that is the best solution to keeping the heat off of Carr.
 
Here is my opinion on the O-line. I remember that in 2003 the Texans were improving the protection and the rushing yards were on the rise. Why else would DD say he was going to get 2000 yards rushing? 2004 comes around. "Geuss what everyone? There is a great zone-blocking scheme and it will increase production in the running game." Now its 2005. Defenses have schemed to beat the zone-blocking and are stuffing our rushing game with 4 DL as well as blitzing with success, thus leaving the remaining 7 for pass defense. (That means they can triple cover AJ)

The big question. When is Pendry going to fail miserably so we can get back to what really worked for the Texans?
 
The big question. When is Pendry going to fail miserably so we can get back to what really worked for the Texans?
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Once teams get about two games worth of tape on Pendry's style/approach, they'll have all they'll need to shut it down.

Something really worked for the Texans? When?
 
aj. said:
Once teams get about two games worth of tape on Pendry's style/approach, they'll have all they'll need to shut it down.

Something really worked for the Texans? When?
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Sad but true. It is still a pretty vanilla offense, and they just have to get some data on his tenedencies.
 
The Steelers seem to have a pretty vanilla offense, too, but they aren't worried about opposing teams figuring them out because they execute it properly.

I'm more of a believer that it's the players, not the scheme. Evidence is abundant for this perspective.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Zone blocking utilizes smaller quicker players which we did not have.
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We didn't get any smaller signing 6'8 315 Wade, or drafting 6'7 327 Wand. Pitts, Mckinney, and Weigert are all still here and Riley surely doesn't add quickness. It's not like we made the line any smaller since we switched to zone blocking. The zone blocking is not the reason the pass blocking sucks. The pass blocking sucks because the pass blocking sucks. The zone blocking is for the run, not the pass Ibar. I'm sure they're using the same pass blocking scheme they've been running since day 1 and can't see that it isn't working.
 
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