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OL at practice

infantrycak

infantrycak

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According to 610 am they have been playing around today on the OL at practice.

Pitts LT, McKinney LG, Hodgden C, Wade RG Wiegert RT.

I am sure the party line is we are just being prepared, but something is being contemplated.

This is looking like a nightmare to me. Let's see, Riley could beat Wand out but now isn't worth being on the OL. Wade, who clearly isn't a G is now going to play, yup G and Wiegert who was tried and failed at RT before is going to play, yup RT. So let's see we have three guys brought in to play T--Wand, Wade & Riley--none playing at T. A guy brought in to play G at T. A guy brought in to play T at G. Oh and a guy brought in to play C at G.

When David Carr runs on to the field it should be a solo intro to Welcome to the Jungle and he should run in from the visiting team tunnel.
 
infantrycak said:
According to 610 am they have been playing around today on the OL at practice.

Pitts LT, McKinney LG, Hodgden C, Wade RG Wiegert RT.

I am sure the party line is we are just being prepared, but something is being contemplated.

This is looking like a nightmare to me. Let's see, Riley could beat Wand out but now isn't worth being on the OL. Wade, who clearly isn't a G is now going to play, yup G and Wiegert who was tried and failed at RT before is going to play, yup RT. So let's see we have three guys brought in to play T--Wand, Wade & Riley--none playing at T. A guy brought in to play G at T. A guy brought in to play T at G. Oh and a guy brought in to play C at G.

When David Carr runs on to the field it should be a solo intro to Welcome to the Jungle and he should run in from the visiting team tunnel.
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That summary is just about what I thought when I heard it on the radio today. Sounds like they are just messing around a bit. I especially can't see Wade at guard. That could be pretty bad, given his build.
 
Just another day at the office for the most clueless coaching staff this side of Pluto. :ok:
 
[sarcasm]It just shows the extreme versatility of our linemen! What genious was able to secure that many linemen that can play other positions? Wow![/sarcasm]

Pitts and Hodgdon I'm OK with. Leave Weigert and Wade at their current positions. McKinney...if he's the best option at LG then alright. I'd rather Brown but whatever. Change is good sometimes.
 
infantrycak said:
When David Carr runs on to the field it should be a solo intro to Welcome to the Jungle and he should run in from the visiting team tunnel.
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HA! Maybe even have Toro tackle him from the top of the stadium via high wire. :heh:

So what, exactly, is the point of musical linemen? I'm not sure I follow what they are trying to accomplish here, especially in light of the fact that they probably need all the practice they can get at their regular positions. :confused:
 
Sounds like the O line was playing musical chairs at practice today...honestly....nevermind I'm speechless...
 
hey if the Bengals can lose their starting center during the game then his back-up as well and still protect Carson Palmer then why can't the Texans? :tomato:
 
Exascor said:
Pitts and Hodgdon I'm OK with. Leave Weigert and Wade at their current positions. McKinney...if he's the best option at LG then alright. I'd rather Brown but whatever. Change is good sometimes.
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To me, Hodgdon didn't look like an NFL starter in preseason and Brown has been inconsistant at best and this may be hard to digest...but McKinney is having a pretty decent year so far....in comes Hainsworth though. No way I'd put Brown in over McKinney at this point.
 
beerlover said:
hey if the Bengals can lose their starting center during the game then his back-up as well and still protect Carson Palmer then why can't the Texans? :tomato:
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The Bengals, or any team for that matter, could have only 4 linemen, and they would still not only be able to protect their QB, but they could do it better than us!
 
Double Barrel said:
HA! Maybe even have Toro tackle him from the top of the stadium via high wire. :heh:

So what, exactly, is the point of musical linemen? I'm not sure I follow what they are trying to accomplish here, especially in light of the fact that they probably need all the practice they can get at their regular positions. :confused:
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Jobs are on the line. This is Capers last 13 games if this snowball continues down hill.
 
Vinny said:
Jobs are on the line. This is Capers last 13 games if this snowball continues down hill.
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yeah, no doubt about it. The natives are getting restless!

So is this the last acts of desperation? Throw anything and see what sticks?

Man, if that's the case, I might have to see if there's any room on that "fire Caper's" badwagon, too... ;)
 
Double Barrel said:
yeah, no doubt about it. The natives are getting restless!

So is this the last acts of desperation? Throw anything and see what sticks?
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perhaps it's more honest. Could we be forcing players in that Casserly brings so he doesn't look bad? Riley is our starting LT but all of a sudden he can't break the starting line up? We have brought in Young, Robinson-Randall, and Wade to play RT as well. All chumps so far. Who have we brought in to play LT in 4 years? We drafted a project in Wand and brought in a RT who had a history of underachievment in Riley. Pitts has played the LT as well as anyone on this roster but we force Riley in there still. Year 4 is defining this franchise build.
 
Vinny said:
To me, Hodgdon didn't look like an NFL starter in preseason and Brown has been inconsistant at best and this may be hard to digest...but McKinney is having a pretty decent year so far....in comes Hainsworth though. No way I'd put Brown in over McKinney at this point.
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I'll trust you on Hodgdon because I really didn't get to see enough of him. Heck, I'm fine with McKinney @ LG as well. The key factor is we can't do any worse.
 
Whatever they do, they sure aren't going to see what the starting LT in all 16 games last year has in the tank. If that "project" has actually improved, which is what a project is supposed to do, they might appear foolish for not playing him in the first place.

Let's move 5 guys instead! Brilliant!
 
Vinny said:
Jobs are on the line. This is Capers last 13 games if this snowball continues down hill.
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No kidding ! At this point I suspect its up to Capers to do something,
anything by the end of the season to "change" McNairs mind about firing him with extreme prejudice in the offseason.
 
I was thinking about the same thing, Wolf. Especially the defense that won the Steelers game, setting a record for a winning team with the lowest offensive production (something like 47 total yards).

We definitely seem like we are regressing, and have lost the aggressiveness that our D was showing the first couple of years. But I guess losing veteran players like Posey, Foreman, Sharper, and Glenn will do that to a team. idonno:
 
i could understand one move on the oline...but not the entire freakin line...i mean this is a little dramatic for o-line shuffle...if you think riley is struggling too much put wand out there...i mean come on the entire line shuffles around this is just pathetic
 
Runner said:
Whatever they do, they sure aren't going to see what the starting LT in all 16 games last year has in the tank.
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Yup, sorry, but either the coaches were censorables (not going to spend the time to see if that is a word) last year for thinking Wand could do the job or the coaches are censorables this year for thinking he isn't even in consideration. The OL is getting comical if it wasn't involving 10 or so jobs, any of which I would love to have.
 
infantrycak said:
When David Carr runs on to the field it should be a solo intro to Welcome to the Jungle and he should run in from the visiting team tunnel.
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LMF@O!!!!!!! Brilliant...
 
Being we can't get a pass rush and we can't protect Carr maybe the secret is to let Robaire Smith play Tackle .. Payne play Center (being he ties up 2 guys anyway) and have Walker at RT Tj at the guard spot.

defensively we move Riley,Pitts,Mckinney,Wand and Weigart to the defensive side of the ball .... They then could fight for 3 starting spots instead of 5


Also this kills 2 birds with one stone.. we would now have a OL that wouldn't let the QB get pressured or touched and we have a Defensive line.. that knows how to get a QB sacked (heck 20 sacks in 3 games)


PBuck would be inserted into the lineup when we run screens .. He would also teach the guys the "ole' " technique of letting a guy through
 
nunusguy said:
No kidding ! At this point I suspect its up to Capers to do something,
anything by the end of the season to "change" McNairs mind about firing him with extreme prejudice in the offseason.
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Yeah, but to me this just shows that he has or had even less of a clue about this team and how it should be put together. If you are having to do a complete overhaul after only 3 games and no injuries, then you must have done a pretty ****** job during the offseason and preseason getting the best players in the line-up and ready for the season. :bomb:
 
:texflag: Either we have a talent problem or the worst blocking scheme in history . I guess if Carr has a knack for holding the ball it magnifies the obvious .
Its amazing that we've had these problems for four years now . It just makes you tired that this is still an issue .
 
Whenever a franchise is born you always hear analysts preaching that a team should build itself from the lines out. Casserly and Co. echoed those sentiments and made an apparent aggressive move toward ensuring our OLine when he took Boselli from the supplemental draft. The problem is they haven't paid serious attention to upgrading the line since then, regardless of whether or not they named it among their top priorities heading into the offseason. I personally think we have enough talent to atleast be closer to the middle of the pack in terms of pass blocking, but after four years they have yet to come close to fixing this problem, and it's really frustrating at this point. The entire Texans coaching staff and management have absolutely failed to fix this club's greatest achilles heel for four consecutive years. Some of the blame falls on Carr for having almost non-existent pocket presence (or an extremely hyper-sensitive pocket presense, however you want to look at it), but to think that after claiming to be trying to fix this for the franchise's entire existence, and we're still having the same problems, if not worse..... There's something seriously wrong with this team from the personnel to the top (excluding McNair, he's probably 10x more frustrated with the situation than we are, considering he's paying the bills and he asked them to fix the situation).

I thought for a bit that Capers would get his five years regardless of our performance, but this blatant failure in an area that everyone in the nation knows is our major pitfall is inexcusable. I think Capers gets the boot after this season barring any miraculous turn arounds. Oh, and on the topic of the.....topic, just the fact that they're tinkering with such a massive game of musical chairs along the OLine shows you that they're becoming exceedingly desperate. Forget whatever consistency they were supposed to develop from playing beside one another for an extended period of time. And those statements they're making about the OLine not yielding many sacks are obviously a load of ****. If they didn't think the OLine was underperforming as badly as we did, they wouldn't be attempting to make ridiculous changes like this mid-season.
 
The o-line could not be a lot worse. Mckinney was a darn good guard for the colts. I think Pitts played better when he was at Tackle. Wade and Weigert can flip flop as long as they figure out some way to get the job done.
 
Crank_It_Up said:
why not make P-buc the Q-back... as much as he hates contact, he'd never get touched.
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Did you see PB last weekend against the Bengals, now I'm not gonna say he looked like the second coming of Jack Tatum, but he actually got a couple good pops in !
 
I dont see what you are all getting upset about. The oline has given up 20 sacks and has not done the job. After three games, its obvious this combination is not working. I'm look forward to the change. I mean how much worse can it get. My problem is this should have been adressed in the preseason. It appears this off season and preseason has been fruitless and just a waste of time.
 
I could be way off base on this but I'm starting to come over to the "our coaching staff sucks" camp. I watch around the league where other teams have decent enough lines season after season. I agree that our talent isn't the best but IMO the OL is one place where coaching can make a REAL difference. True we don't have a franchise LT but then again how many teams do?

I dunno .... I find myself hoping for a scorched Earth season so we can start off nice and fresh and green next year.




infantrycak said:
Seriously. I want to hire Coach_C as the OL coach. Is he Houck compared to these guys?
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The article in the Chronicle claims this monkeying with the OLine is in case of injuries preparing them to play other positions-LOL.

bobby 119C
 
olyy said:
Wow, you've sure changed your tune. You always claimed the coaching staff was great and the o-line just needed more time to gel. I guess the 0-3 start has you taking off the rose-colored glasses. It's about time.
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No, I wait till I see results on the field. I don't just create positions out of assumptions. The team made some decisions over their build and I am patient enough to see if they work out.

This is year 4 so this is the time to start looking at our build as it hits the field. I can't give an expansion team grief in the first two years and year 3 was a year that we were playing .500 ball. Every year is unique but unfolds rapidly. Once you see the results on the field it's fair to start to create new opinions.
 
touttail said:
The article in the Chronicle claims this monkeying with the OLine is in case of injuries preparing them to play other positions-LOL.

bobby 119C
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Whew! For a minute I thought they going to monkey around with it to improve it.
 
touttail said:
The article in the Chronicle claims this monkeying with the OLine is in case of injuries preparing them to play other positions-LOL.

bobby 119C
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Yes, this was a temporary shift in practice for a few plays to give them a bit of experience at different positions and to rest some of them for a minute. I do however feel that Pitts would be better than Riley at LT since he is more athletic, Riley is more of a slow, stronger OLineman that should be at LG or RG to help with run blocking.
 
Why not try to shift players around? The idea behind keeping the same line together is that they start to gel. The glue obviously ain't holding, so shake the team up. See if anything works better. What's the worst that could happen? Lose a game? Season-ending injury causing them to spiral out of first? :)
 
oso said:
Why not try to shift players around? The idea behind keeping the same line together is that they start to gel. The glue obviously ain't holding, so shake the team up. See if anything works better. What's the worst that could happen? Lose a game? Season-ending injury causing them to spiral out of first? :)
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That's true. I say shake it up and see what shakes out.

What else can we do??? :bomb:
 
Vinny said:
I heard it too...we are run by a team of monkeys.
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Can I quote you on that one Vinny. Vinny I still say its Capers and his coaches that are the problem and not Casserly or McNair. They are being taken down by this man and they simply won't say get lost. The COACHING decisions are beyond belief. But then again I've being saying I told you so for a long time.

Its not that they are trying to make adjustments its how they are going about it. This should have been forseen long ago. The adjustments should have been made in the mini camps and TC. Strangely we might be better off with Wand in there, but may be his confidence - what there was - is gone. Then again it wouldn't matter, because there's no coaching anyway.
 
Any change to the line is fine for me. There are some possitives in those moves. McKinney played guard for Indy (and played well as I understand it). Pitts was his at his best when playing at Left Tackle. I'm not sure about Hogdon. Maybe get him some snaps in practice and see how he performs. Wade and Weigert should both be on the field. They are 2 of the 5 best we have to offer.
 
I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching Ibar...but Coaching is close behind. I'd put more blame on Casserly than Capers at this point....but I'm ready to get rid of them all.
 
I'm going to go back to my comments about year 2. If you remember, at the end of that year we looked like we were starting to come around. All of us were looking forward to year 3.

However, in the off season Capers made the decision to change to a different blocking scheme for which he had no players. The result has been the loss of any assemblance of an O-line, because the players we have do not fit well into that particular scheme. I'm sorry, but I firmly believe the problem is Capers and all his coaches save for special teams. Please look closely and I think you will find a whole host of coaching mistakes. Where did McKinney play at Baltimore? Guard of course and they had him play C for us. Washington who played Center and in the SB is out and hardly ever seen. Is that because he's so bad or does he not fit into the new scheme? Strangely Wiegert did play some left tackle, but he has been so injured that he has been a non-starter for a good period of time. Take a hard look and I think you will come to the conclusion that the O-line has been totaly mismanaged. I still think these players have ability, but not the way they are being coached. Its sad that people are once again coming to the same conclusion.
 
Good post. I agree. I think that he had a good idea about changing to a zone scheme, but then he and Casserly should have gotten the personel to best initiate that system.
 
Vinny said:
I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching Ibar...but Coaching is close behind. I'd put more blame on Casserly than Capers at this point....but I'm ready to get rid of them all.
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I can understand why you feel that way Vinny, but I think Capers is a bigger problem than you think. Change the coaching staff and the emphasis on what is needed and I think Casserly will continue to do a good job. I still believe Capers has forced more of the picks than you think. I still think the basic startup was wrong based on the way Capers likes to do things. I believe this first attempt was dummed from the start, sad to say. Wouldn't have thought so, but hindsight kind of suggest it.
 
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