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Oz and Miller are here. Hit or miss we finally took a big swing today. Lots of mock drafts on this mb just went obsolete. I'd love to see the big 3 draftniks here ( Wolverine, Bah007, and Bad boy) start chiming in more deeply on offensive linemen. I'm not sure how to place Jeff Allen (LG, RG, RT) but we're going to need help on the ol and it's now likely to be the focus of the draft early. What say you?
 
As of today our entire O-line is a giant question mark. Will Brown make it back to LT and able to play at his level of excellence or will be find a rookie in the 1st round? Who's playing LG, XSF or Aboushi? Who's playing C, Bergstrom or a draft pick? I assume Jeff Allen will be our starting RG, is that a safe assumption? Who's starting RT, Newton or hopefully a draft pick? I could see our 1st and 2nd round picks being spent on the O-line. Spriggs or Conklin in the 1st and possibly Nick Martin in the 2nd round.
 
Here we go: I am really questioning DB's return but Clowney returned much sooner than almost everyone thought. Big difference is position; no way do we allow $37 million guaranteed get the Benjamins knocked out of him. Still Clark (new deal two years $6 million) looked more than adequate in relief. I like Spriggs and would not be upset if Conklin chosen as I think he can play left. I have also posted some time ago that I think Baylor's Spencer Drango could anchor himself at Left Tackle within few weeks. If not, he would push off roster.

I still have WR Josh Docston and Baylor's Corey Coleman as possible franchise type WR that should be at #22. * Interesting that CBSdraftscout had for weeks identified Docston as parphrased "can give seminars on route running" to this week "needs to polish routes".

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2. Rb Collins is dropping (due to over reaction to his combine) but is perfect for rotation with our new star Miller. 3. LT Kyle Murphy 4. LT Joe Haeg 5a NT Ridgeway 5b WR/slot Charone Peak (climbing and may need to adjust to get him) 6. QB Jake Locker but am wavering some. May go safety here with Trae Elston who looks good if he has gotten his off field issues resolved.


Edit: almost forgot, Allen is RG replacing Brooks unless total upset by Aboushi
 
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Is there any chance Ryan Griffin would be available for our 2nd round pick or is he a sure fire 1st rounder?
 
Taylor Decker is a guy I wouldn't mind in the first round. He hasn't gotten a lot talk around here but he would start and be better than Newton day one at RT.

When we went out and signed Allen and made it known in the press conference that his toughness and attitude were big reasons it makes me think we want a physical aggressive OL. That is Deckers strength. He was the leader of Ohio St OL and in their locker room. He's known as a physical powerful run blocker that is high effort. Adding him at RT and moving Newton inside where he played well last year and is more suited to his strength's would be a good move imo. Brown, Newton, ???, Allen, Decker is a tough physical OL that should be able to open holes for the run game and take pressure off Osweiler early.
 
Taylor Decker is a guy I wouldn't mind in the first round. He hasn't gotten a lot talk around here but he would start and be better than Newton day one at RT.

When we went out and signed Allen and made it known in the press conference that his toughness and attitude were big reasons it makes me think we want a physical aggressive OL. That is Deckers strength. He was the leader of Ohio St OL and in their locker room. He's known as a physical powerful run blocker that is high effort. Adding him at RT and moving Newton inside where he played well last year and is more suited to his strength's would be a good move imo. Brown, Newton, ???, Allen, Decker is a tough physical OL that should be able to open holes for the run game and take pressure off Osweiler early.
 
I think we should be on the lookout for a future LT in this draft. There are a few guys in this class that I think could beat out Newton at RT in the short term and then flip to the left side when it's time to move on from Brown. We could look to add another interior depth guy late in the draft, but if we could upgrade from Newton as a starter we could use him as a swing player at possibly four positions. That would greatly improve our depth. I think we also need to address C, and we likely need to get a starter out of this draft.

OT:
I really like Conklin. I'm not sure he'll ever be a LT so I wouldn't eye him as a Brown replacement. But I think he will be a really good RT. He would be a significant upgrade day one. You'd have to take him at #22.

I love Spriggs. I think he can play RT adequately (better than Newton), but I think he has real potential down the road as a LT. Some people seem mixed on him. I'm not sure where he goes. I think he's a top 20 player but you never know.

Then you have your mid round guys. Haeg could probably play RT in the short term and may possibly have a future at LT. I think Beavers would have to sit but I think he could play LT down the road too. I don't think Brandon Shell will ever play LT but he could maybe step in at RT day one.

Then you have a few late round guys that I like. Benenoch from UCLA may have LT potential but he'll have to sit a little while. I like Vaitai from TCU as a RT. And I also like Nembot from Colorado, but he may need to sit as well before he could beat out Newton.


C:
I think you can get a starter at C in pretty much each round of the draft. It just depends on how high of a value you put on the position. If we want Kelly it's either at #22, a trade back in the 1st, or a trade up in the 2nd. But he may end up being worth the investment.

Or you could wait and try to grab Martin at our pick in the 2nd.

In the mid rounds I absolutely love Glasgow and Seumalo. You could maybe grab one of those guys in the 3rd and they could step in and start no problem. I also think Blythe from Iowa is insanely underrated. He may go in the 4th or 5th and I think he would start for us.

Two other under the radar guys I like are Thuney from NC St and Brendel from UCLA. Most people like Thuney as an OG but I think he can play C, and I think he'd be more valuable there. Brendel is just a football player. Nothing exceptional there but he could contribute big time as a late round pick.
 
Been watching some more of Conklin recently and I don't know if I could pass him up at 22 the more Brown's situation lingers. He just mans the eff up out there. Also has the seeming footwork to not get wobbled by dynamo edge guys. Smooth and accurate kickstep before he gets his paws moving. I actually think he might be a bit undervalued.

I've been on Spriggs as an athletic T for a while now, and still am, but when I watch him and Conklin back to back I see more of Spriggs getting caught in unfavorable positions balance wise that worries me when thinking of him manning up against NFL guys who'll get him rocking. Like his weight transfer gets soft often and guys get on top of him quickly. I still like Spriggs a good deal, wouldn't be bummed if we snagged him early, but I'm thinking Conklin looks a bit 'safer' if I had to choose between them.
 
I think Conklin is definitely the safer player. I think he's a better blocker in the run game and I think he handles bull rushers a ton better. That's why I think he's far more prepared to play RT early than Spriggs is. The only thing that worries me about Conklin is that he opens himself up to a lot of inside counter moves. He didn't really play against that much speed so he never paid for it. If he had played against more speed it wouldn't worry me so much but he just doesn't have that much experience against it. I could see speed guys that can gun the corner but then spin or club back inside eating his lunch for a little bit until he figures it out. I have zero worries about him at RT though.

And while Spriggs struggles a little bit at the things that make a valuable RT, he excels at the things that make a franchise LT. It's just a matter of putting it all together. Right now his technique is raw and he kind of just out-athletes guys. But he really mirrors speed guys well without over-committing. Most of the time I see him off balance is in the run game.

I wouldn't hesitate to take either. I think Spriggs gives you more ceiling at LT but I think Conklin will give you better quality play in the short term.
 
bah007 said:
I think Conklin is definitely the safer player. I think he's a better blocker in the run game and I think he handles bull rushers a ton better. That's why I think he's far more prepared to play RT early than Spriggs is. The only thing that worries me about Conklin is that he opens himself up to a lot of inside counter moves. He didn't really play against that much speed so he never paid for it. If he had played against more speed it wouldn't worry me so much but he just doesn't have that much experience against it. I could see speed guys that can gun the corner but then spin or club back inside eating his lunch for a little bit until he figures it out. I have zero worries about him at RT though.

And while Spriggs struggles a little bit at the things that make a valuable RT, he excels at the things that make a franchise LT. It's just a matter of putting it all together. Right now his technique is raw and he kind of just out-athletes guys. But he really mirrors speed guys well without over-committing. Most of the time I see him off balance is in the run game.

I wouldn't hesitate to take either. I think Spriggs gives you more ceiling at LT but I think Conklin will give you better quality play in the short term.
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The bolded section is why I think the Texans will regret not taking Spriggs in the 1st round. We've already filled our biggest needs in FA so this should be a year where we look to the future and to building great depth at certain positions. Brown won't be around forever and he's already facing a serious injury, and Newton leaves alot to be desired at RT. Hello Rick Smith, take the opportunity that's staring you in the face, protect your QB and improve your run game by improving your O-line.
 
Wolf6151 said:
The bolded section is why I think the Texans will regret not taking Spriggs in the 1st round. We've already filled our biggest needs in FA so this should be a year where we look to the future and to building great depth at certain positions. Brown won't be around forever and he's already facing a serious injury, and Newton leaves alot to be desired at RT. Hello Rick Smith, take the opportunity that's staring you in the face, protect your QB and improve your run game by improving your O-line.
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I like where your head's at regarding grooming a replacement for Duane Brown but do you think Griggs would be a better 'get' as opposed to one of the top flight WRs that will be available at pick 22? Would you pass up Doctson or Mike Thomas or Will Fuller for Griggs?
Just curious.
 
ObsiWan said:
I like where your head's at regarding grooming a replacement for Duane Brown but do you think Griggs would be a better 'get' as opposed to one of the top flight WRs that will be available at pick 22? Would you pass up Doctson or Mike Thomas or Will Fuller for Griggs?
Just curious.
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Who is Griggs? :D
 
JB said:
Who is Griggs? :D
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From WalterFootball....
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Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana
Height: 6-5. Weight: 301. Arm: 34.13. Hand: 9.5.
40 Time: 4.94.
Projected Round (2016): 1-2.
3/5/16: At the combine, Spriggs had a very good workout as he ran fast in the 40 while showing athleticism in the field work. Spriggs also had a quality showing on the bench press with 31 reps, a very good number for a left tackle with longer arms.

Spriggs played well for Indiana in 2015 and held his own against Joey Bosa of Ohio State. To start out his NFL career, Spriggs could be a better fit as a right tackle, but before too long he could prove to be a starting left tackle. He has good feet, length, and enough athleticism to block on the edge.

At the Senior Bowl, Spriggs had a quality week and was voted the best offensive lineman in Mobile. He was effective in the ground game and showed potential

8/15/15: Spriggs was Indiana's top offensive lineman in 2014, and the Hoosiers' offense had a huge season running the ball with Tevin Coleman. Spriggs was a reliable pass-protector as he only allowed two sacks as a junior. He was the starting left tackle as a sophomore and started as a freshman as well.
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ObsiWan said:
I like where your head's at regarding grooming a replacement for Duane Brown but do you think Griggs would be a better 'get' as opposed to one of the top flight WRs that will be available at pick 22? Would you pass up Doctson or Mike Thomas or Will Fuller for Griggs?
Just curious.
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I would draft Doctson and trade back up into the late 1st early 2nd for Spriggs/Coleman etc.... If Conklin is there, (Doubtful) he would be my pick at 22. If Anthony Costanzo can play LT for the Colts, Conklin can play LT for the Texans. IMHO
 
ObsiWan said:
I like where your head's at regarding grooming a replacement for Duane Brown but do you think Griggs would be a better 'get' as opposed to one of the top flight WRs that will be available at pick 22? Would you pass up Doctson or Mike Thomas or Will Fuller for Griggs?
Just curious.
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The short answer to your question is Yes. Spriggs would be my pick at #22, he's undervalued because of a perception that he's not strong enough in run blocking. I think he's fine but will have a growing/learning period like Brown had and all rookies have. Spriggs pass blocking could be elite level stuff quickly. If he takes over at RT, you get better at RT. If he takes over at LT and you move Brown to the right side then you improve both sides as well as your depth because I think Newton should be great depth at 4 out of 5 O-line spots. I'd love Doctson at #22, but our O-line is a giant ? right now and I'd really like to see the Texans do what the 49rs and Cowboys did a few years back, dedicate a draft or 2 to building an O-line of studs.
 
Wolf6151 said:
The short answer to your question is Yes. Spriggs would be my pick at #22, he's undervalued because of a perception that he's not strong enough in run blocking. I think he's fine but will have a growing/learning period like Brown had and all rookies have. Spriggs pass blocking could be elite level stuff quickly. If he takes over at RT, you get better at RT. If he takes over at LT and you move Brown to the right side then you improve both sides as well as your depth because I think Newton should be great depth at 4 out of 5 O-line spots. I'd love Doctson at #22, but our O-line is a giant ? right now and I'd really like to see the Texans do what the 49rs and Cowboys did a few years back, dedicate a draft or 2 to building an O-line of studs.
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I just can't get behind this line of thinking. Pick 2 needs to be an instant starter. If you want to groom an eventual replacement for brown go get him on the second or third round. We have to many holes to fill to think that way. If we had a solid roster then yeh but we don't.

Also Spriggs is one of the most over rated players in this draft. There was a reason you never heard of him before the combine. His tape is average at best. Yes he has the athletic ability and with good coaching he could end up a good player bit right now he is a huge project. No way I woukd take him in the first.

JMO
 
Conklin should be long gone...also Spriggs should be gone and is a pure LT
Decker is a solid rt guy..I like Shon Coleman more

Whitehair is good enough to be considered at #22 at guard

not a Texan fan just a draft guy passing through...for the Texans hope Coleman is still on the board..just fits
 
poplarbluffman said:
Conklin should be long gone...also Spriggs should be gone and is a pure LT
Decker is a solid rt guy..I like Shon Coleman more

Whitehair is good enough to be considered at #22 at guard

not a Texan fan just a draft guy passing through...for the Texans hope Coleman is still on the board..just fits
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Coleman scares me because of his health issues (cancer), don't want to go down that road again. Conklin is probably gone but Spriggs should be available and I'd take him at #22.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Been watching some more of Conklin recently and I don't know if I could pass him up at 22 the more Brown's situation lingers. He just mans the eff up out there. Also has the seeming footwork to not get wobbled by dynamo edge guys. Smooth and accurate kickstep before he gets his paws moving. I actually think he might be a bit undervalued.

I've been on Spriggs as an athletic T for a while now, and still am, but when I watch him and Conklin back to back I see more of Spriggs getting caught in unfavorable positions balance wise that worries me when thinking of him manning up against NFL guys who'll get him rocking. Like his weight transfer gets soft often and guys get on top of him quickly. I still like Spriggs a good deal, wouldn't be bummed if we snagged him early, but I'm thinking Conklin looks a bit 'safer' if I had to choose between them.
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I've been seeing a lot about this guy and it's all favorable, but he's played against both Bosa (OSU) and Buckner (Oregon) and been successful against both.
Can't imagine him gettin by Indy if he gets that far ? I thinkn he's got a chance of being the second OT taken in the Draft, so no we won't have a chance for him.
Now Spriggs might be there at 22.
 
IDEXAN said:
I've been seeing a lot about this guy and it's all favorable, but he's played against both Bosa (OSU) and Buckner (Oregon) and been successful against both.
Can't imagine him gettin by Indy if he gets that far ? I thinkn he's got a chance of being the second OT taken in the Draft, so no we won't have a chance for him.
Now Spriggs might be there at 22.
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I also think that Conklin will be the second OT taken, but will Stanley drop as far as #22?
 
JB said:
I also think that Conklin will be the second OT taken, but will Stanley drop as far as #22?
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You can't trust anything you hear this time of year but there are a lot of different sources saying that teams aren't as high on Stanley as media and fans are. What's being reported is that quite a few teams don't think he has any shot at playing LT and that drops his value a bit.
 
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bah007 said:
You can't trust anything you hear this time of year but there are a lot of different sources saying that teams aren't as high on Stanley as media and fans are. What's being reported is that quite a few teams don't think he has any shot at playing LT and that drops his value a bit.
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I disagree with this. Stanley can play LT right away, he's got the feet for it. Now he does need to improve his core strength or he will be another Eugene Monroe type LT.

Have you heard bad things about Stanley's work ethic? I heard Kelly speaking glowingly about Stanley at the ND pro day. Said he thinks Stanley will be the best LT in this draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
I disagree with this. Stanley can play LT right away, he's got the feet for it. Now he does need to improve his core strength or he will be another Eugene Monroe type LT.

Have you heard bad things about Stanley's work ethic? I heard Kelly speaking glowingly about Stanley at the ND pro day. Said he thinks Stanley will be the best LT in this draft.
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I'm only relaying info that I've read or heard and I've only ever heard good things about Stanley off the field.

I think his length and athleticism project to LT. He does have great feet. I do think he would be a better RT than LT but that doesn't really matter, because if he can play LT at all that's where teams are going to put him.
 
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