No Spin Zone: "The Carr Factor"

[DominatorDavis]

Yup, DC has had to work with a lot of crap around him, especialy the fans. Worst fans in the NFL and the entire nation knows it. Here we have some folks who have NEVER liked DC for what ever reason and ******ed and moaned since day one about what mostly amounts to zip and now we have the UT/VY crowd jumping in (just check the dates of sign up, Jan 06 or later = UT). Then we have someone who ALWAYS makes cracks about the salary when he know dang well it is about the league standard and the team has been brand new from the ground up, poorly led and had crap for talent and scheme. Now we have people who say its a bust if he doesn't throw for 4K yards and 30 TDs with 70% and a 100 rating or some other such crap. That's just a setup so that they can continue to rag and beoch about DC. They all act like they perform perfectly at work themselves and no one ever affects the quality of their work or out come of their efforts....Sure, that's the ticket. Why not just start a "I hate Carr and want to knuke him, his family and all his relatives" that way all the Bioch boxes can go there and post all they want rather than starting disengenouse threads just to take shots at Carr. It is well known that he has the talent and hasn't had anything to work with, but of course these "FANS" know better. Is he perfect...HELL no, but if he has the O-line protecting to an NFL standard of 3.5 to 4.5 seconds CONSISTANTLy (85% of the time) and doesn't get it done in the next two years...kick'em to the curb and move on, but until then, your just Pizzing in the wind because he's here, he's the QB so give it up.

I think that GP Shafer was talking more about the media attention that the success/failure of Carr will receive in the next coming year. We have also been discussing the needs of the Texans organization compared from year to year from the inception of this team all the way to this season.

This is not a Carr hater thread. Lets stay on course.

 

[DatTexBoy]

Carr simply needs to devote more time to his craft instead of his family. That sounds bad but its true in this case. This business requires a lot of your time...it's a sacrifice...but is it really when you're making miliions upon millions of dollars.

 

[GP]

Hulk, I am a children's pastor at a church in Amarillo, TX. I've been involved in volunteer ministry for about eight years prior to my current career in professional ministry.

I love God. I put God first in my life. But God honors hard work. And Carr studying film at home, where his wife and children live, is to say the least a bit comical. I can't get jack done when I'm home with my wife and kids here at the same time. I gotta' be up at 2 in the morning around my house to do some computer work for my job at the church JUST to keep my sanity due to the wife and kids wanting my attention.

One of the biggest gripes of people who don't "know" God or do not consistently worship God in their daily lives is this: We play the martyr card all the time. You are a great guy, Hulk. You have good things to say...but when you try to bail out Carr because in your mind he's being attacked JUST because he loves God and loves his family...it gives people a reason to roll their eyes and chuckle at us.

Dude needs to sacrifice this year, not just for his own sake, but for the gift that God has given him. Otherwise, he won't be the champion for Christ that we know he is. The Apostle Paul said to run the race to win the prize...not to come in second, or third, or last. He knew that Jesus cared about winning and about being a success. It's how we let our light shine for Christ, and it draws attention to the Creator who gave us the power to achieve and overcome.

So drop the God-hating excuse and accept the fact that he has not worked as hard as Kubiak is about to make him work. I posted a thread about a 2002 article at NFL.com on Kubiak and his relationship with then-Broncos QB Brian Griese. Kubiak eats, sleeps, and breathes football...expecially with his QBs. It;s why he is able to help them become better. It's his gift in life.

McNair got this guy on board the ship, and it's time Carr spent a little bit more time at the office. It'll pay off, and he, his family, and all of us will see the results if he'll sacrifice. Keep his perspective on the things of God and family the way it should, by all means, but mostly he needs to reverse the curse by giving up a little free time for three months out of the year.

God honors hard work.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

Many are posting on this board about David and his faults. Well some of you are going to be ticked off at what I'm going to say, but it needs to be said. Casserly and David have a lot in common. What!! Yes, they both were done in by a very inept coaching staff.

Some of you are beginning to recognize that Casserly is doing a better job this year than you thought. Some of you want to give him more responsibilities than he deserves. He has simply gone out and gotten the players his coaching staff has requested. He is the facilitator and that's what he does best. He listens and tries to get what his coaching staff wants. Does he have an input, most certainly. But within reason and given sufficient reason he's going to get who the coaches want. Bob McNair has said that Casserly is not going to get anyone the coaching staff doesn't want, but that's nothing new. That has always been the case.

Now on to Carr and his problems with the previous coaching staff. To begin with Carr is always going to do what his coaches request. Some of you are criticizing Carr for a number of sacks credited because he ran out of bounds. What if that's what he was told to do? Why would that be? Well, if you are trying to find AJ, for example as your sole target, you might have been told to hang onto the ball at all cost because you might be able to find him before you are out of bounds. Once you throw the ball away you no longer have that option and you kill the clock. Remember, Capers and company were fanatics about controlling the clock and trying to run off as much time as possible. Nonsense, you say. No the previous staff was very strange when it came to the game of football. I believe the sacks attributed to running out of bounds were by design by in large.

Could our previous staff have done something as strange as that. Well, in some of the recent posts there have been statements to the fact that they threw out the play book at the start of last season. After going through preseason and telling about all of the designed changes they would do something like that? Yes, they were in the panic mode and they had no idea what they were doing.

Am I saying Carr is a SB QB, no. Do I believe Carr is a lot better than a lot of you think? Yes, I do believe he is a lot better, but he has to unlearn a number of habits taught to him in my opinion by a very inept coaching staff. Kubiak has stated that he has gone back and watched every game tape and gone over it thoroughly. I think he is as high as he is on Carr, because he has asked David why was he doing certain things. I think he has been astonished by what he has seen on the tapes. DO I KNOW THIS TO BE A FACT. No, I don't, but if you listen to the side bar that goes on you get hints to just how incompetent the previous staff was. Even John McClain's logic tells you how bad it was.

Another reason I think this is so is because of the extension granted by the club and some of the statements by McNair. I think he is almost apologetic. I think Bob knows he waited far to long to get rid of Capers, but may be that was a blessing in disguise. We now have a very competent coaching staff and lets just wait and see what happens. I keep saying you are in for a real treat. I've been wrong before, but I have a real strange feeling that we have yet to see the true Texans. I believe we are in for some very exciting moments this year.

 

[TexansLucky13]

I believe we are in for some very exciting moments this year.

Excellently worded, couldnt have said it better myself!

Deep down, we all know that it was time for change. And now to reap the benefits!

 

[the wonger need food]

Carr has played a lot because he is pretty good.

No, Carr has played a lot because the organization has failed to bring someone in to challenge him for his job.

 

[bad]

Careful folks. Three positive posts in a row will summon Bobo.

 

[TexansLucky13]

Careful folks. Three positive posts in a row will summon Bobo.

D'oh!

 

[HoustonFrog]

Yup, DC has had to work with a lot of crap around him, especialy the fans. Worst fans in the NFL and the entire nation knows it. Here we have some folks who have NEVER liked DC for what ever reason and ******ed and moaned since day one about what mostly amounts to zip and now we have the UT/VY crowd jumping in (just check the dates of sign up, Jan 06 or later = UT). Then we have someone who ALWAYS makes cracks about the salary when he know dang well it is about the league standard and the team has been brand new from the ground up, poorly led and had crap for talent and scheme. Now we have people who say its a bust if he doesn't throw for 4K yards and 30 TDs with 70% and a 100 rating or some other such crap. That's just a setup so that they can continue to rag and beoch about DC. They all act like they perform perfectly at work themselves and no one ever affects the quality of their work or out come of their efforts....Sure, that's the ticket. Why not just start a "I hate Carr and want to knuke him, his family and all his relatives" that way all the Bioch boxes can go there and post all they want rather than starting disengenouse threads just to take shots at Carr. It is well known that he has the talent and hasn't had anything to work with, but of course these "FANS" know better. Is he perfect...HELL no, but if he has the O-line protecting to an NFL standard of 3.5 to 4.5 seconds CONSISTANTLy (85% of the time) and doesn't get it done in the next two years...kick'em to the curb and move on, but until then, your just Pizzing in the wind because he's here, he's the QB so give it up.

This is such a load of b.s. Listen, I thought Carr was great coming out of college and thought he did well for himself his first couple of years, especially considering the circumstances. However, after the honeymoon wore off I decided to look at each Texan, no matter his postion, and critically evaluate whether they could handle the heat and whether they were the type to get us to the next level. You can say all you want that he had no line, no talent, etc but there has been QBs with no talent around them that stepped up and still led teams despite the record. Did I think he would win with the talent?No. But I expected improvement each year. The line was always bad. But he can throw the ball away, not stare down the same receivers play after play and grow as an NFL QB. At least with those improvements you could honestly say, "the guy does what a NFL QB should do but he has no chance." At this time though we pay him as a Top 10 guy even though he hasn't done a thing and he hasn't learned a thing. Add to that the fact that I think last year he said some things that made him seem less than intetested in whether we won or loss....sorry, my perception..and I'm not a huge fan. What I look forward to this year though is new talent, no coaching excuses, etc. If he shows up this year then I will be sold and will be happy to cheer him on. My problem is 8 million for a guy who is still learning after 4 years. Joey Harringtom had many stats that lined up with Carrs and he is gone. Carr had his and got more cash. Harrington had receivers but they were a horrible team too. Some of you equate a bad fan to someone who has a problem with a player. In my book that is real fan...someone who, like any person, expects performace for money paid. Bad fans are the ones who kiss someones tail and make excuses just because they look like they can throw hard and who seem like good guys. It is money paid for talent shown. Plain and simple. I like to think of it like this board. I haven't been here long and can be a moron but I have real opinions. Some think that because they have been here longer and written more posts that it equates to more knowledge. Not true. Because Carr makes 8 million and has the tools does not make him a great QB by proxy.

 

[the wonger need food]

Yup, DC has had to work with a lot of crap around him, especialy the fans. Worst fans in the NFL and the entire nation knows it. Here we have some folks who have NEVER liked DC for what ever reason and ******ed and moaned since day one about what mostly amounts to zip and now we have the UT/VY crowd jumping in (just check the dates of sign up, Jan 06 or later = UT). Then we have someone who ALWAYS makes cracks about the salary when he know dang well it is about the league standard and the team has been brand new from the ground up, poorly led and had crap for talent and scheme. Now we have people who say its a bust if he doesn't throw for 4K yards and 30 TDs with 70% and a 100 rating or some other such crap. That's just a setup so that they can continue to rag and beoch about DC. They all act like they perform perfectly at work themselves and no one ever affects the quality of their work or out come of their efforts....Sure, that's the ticket. Why not just start a "I hate Carr and want to knuke him, his family and all his relatives" that way all the Bioch boxes can go there and post all they want rather than starting disengenouse threads just to take shots at Carr. It is well known that he has the talent and hasn't had anything to work with, but of course these "FANS" know better. Is he perfect...HELL no, but if he has the O-line protecting to an NFL standard of 3.5 to 4.5 seconds CONSISTANTLy (85% of the time) and doesn't get it done in the next two years...kick'em to the curb and move on, but until then, your just Pizzing in the wind because he's here, he's the QB so give it up.

It's good to see that there are plenty of people out there that will always make excuses for the guy. He'll appreciate the support when he's backing up Alex Smith or Eli Manning in a few years.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Hulk, I am a children's pastor at a church in Amarillo, TX. I've been involved in volunteer ministry for about eight years prior to my current career in professional ministry.

I love God. I put God first in my life. But God honors hard work. And Carr studying film at home, where his wife and children live, is to say the least a bit comical. I can't get jack done when I'm home with my wife and kids here at the same time. I gotta' be up at 2 in the morning around my house to do some computer work for my job at the church JUST to keep my sanity due to the wife and kids wanting my attention.

One of the biggest gripes of people who don't "know" God or do not consistently worship God in their daily lives is this: We play the martyr card all the time. You are a great guy, Hulk. You have good things to say...but when you try to bail out Carr because in your mind he's being attacked JUST because he loves God and loves his family...it gives people a reason to roll their eyes and chuckle at us.

Dude needs to sacrifice this year, not just for his own sake, but for the gift that God has given him. Otherwise, he won't be the champion for Christ that we know he is. The Apostle Paul said to run the race to win the prize...not to come in second, or third, or last. He knew that Jesus cared about winning and about being a success. It's how we let our light shine for Christ, and it draws attention to the Creator who gave us the power to achieve and overcome.

So drop the God-hating excuse and accept the fact that he has not worked as hard as Kubiak is about to make him work. I posted a thread about a 2002 article at NFL.com on Kubiak and his relationship with then-Broncos QB Brian Griese. Kubiak eats, sleeps, and breathes football...expecially with his QBs. It;s why he is able to help them become better. It's his gift in life.

McNair got this guy on board the ship, and it's time Carr spent a little bit more time at the office. It'll pay off, and he, his family, and all of us will see the results if he'll sacrifice. Keep his perspective on the things of God and family the way it should, by all means, but mostly he needs to reverse the curse by giving up a little free time for three months out of the year.

God honors hard work.

I'm sorry, but I can't believe nobody has blasted this post before, what exactly are you trying to preach to us:

That God believes that Carr should put football before family. NEWSFLASH: God could give a RATS *** about football.

I'm really contemplating making the statement below my new signature, because it is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this board.

"he won't be the champion for Christ that we know he is."

Wake up David, Jesus Christ, our savior died on the cross for your sins and so you could lead the Houston Texans to a championship, be a good little christian and go out there and win one for the "almighty" gipper

 

[Bobo]

As if David Carr will let God down if he doesn't take the Texans to the SB.

 

[edo783]

I'm sorry, but I can't believe nobody has blasted this post before, what exactly are you trying to preach to us:

That God believes that Carr should put football before family. NEWSFLASH: God could give a RATS *** about football.

I'm really contemplating making the statement below my new signature, because it is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this board.

"he won't be the champion for Christ that we know he is."

Wake up David, Jesus Christ, our savior died on the cross for your sins and so you could lead the Houston Texans to a championship, be a good little christian and go out there and win one for the "almighty" gipper

CB, while don't ascribe to the concept of God being on on teams side or the other, I do feel your post is unduly harsh and is making fun of a posters belief system and is then an unwarrented attack on him. I suspect that wasn't your intent, but that is how it reads to me.

 

[Carr Bombed]

CB, while don't ascribe to the concept of God being on on teams side or the other, I do feel your post is unduly harsh and is making fun of a posters belief system and is then an unwarrented attack on him. I suspect that wasn't your intent, but that is how it reads to me.

I wasn't attacking his religion and never intended it to seem that way and like him I'm a devoted christian, which is why I was bothered by his comments that God would rather him devote more time to his trade, which is football, than his family and being a devoted christian, I know God could care less about football, no sport is more important than family.

I know we are all big football fans here, but seriously you have to draw the line somewhere.

Having said that if my comments gave you that impression, I'm truly sorry and apologize

 

[Bobo]

CB, while don't ascribe to the concept of God being on on teams side or the other, I do feel your post is unduly harsh and is making fun of a posters belief system and is then an unwarrented attack on him. I suspect that wasn't your intent, but that is how it reads to me.

The "champion for Christ" thing is probably the most bothersome statement made in the post. It makes it sound like if David Carr doesn't lead the Texans to a championship, then he is letting God down. God may give people certain gifts, but all he expects us to do with them is use them to the best of our ability. The story of the 10 talents is an example of this. One guy got 10, another got five and the third got one. The point of that story is to use what you've got to the best of your ability. Period. Not all of us are called to be the best in the business we choose to work in, but we all are called to do the best with what we have. Some of us are called to play QB for the Indianapolis Colts, others are called to be QB with the Texans. To judge both via there results when their situations are so different would be unfair.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

They all act like they perform perfectly at work themselves and no one ever affects the quality of their work or out come of their efforts.

If DC worked for me he would have been fired. That is the real world. Hot shot prospects that the company invests millions in and does not live up to is an easy cut in the name of operating expense.

 

[goingdeep]

Lets say Carr flops this year wouldn't it be a good idea to have a proven backup waiting in the wings. And hey if he improves let him work it but if he doesn't bring in the pro besides it would put some pressure on the guy to get it done. I think Carr has the tools but may not be the guy we will see if he steps up to the level needed. I just would like to see a known proven qb ready in case things don't look so good in other words make him earn it or bench him.:brickwall

 

[old football fan]

This is such a load of b.s. Listen, I thought Carr was great coming out of college and thought he did well for himself his first couple of years, especially considering the circumstances. However, after the honeymoon wore off I decided to look at each Texan, no matter his postion, and critically evaluate whether they could handle the heat and whether they were the type to get us to the next level. You can say all you want that he had no line, no talent, etc but there has been QBs with no talent around them that stepped up and still led teams despite the record. Did I think he would win with the talent?No. But I expected improvement each year. The line was always bad. But he can throw the ball away, not stare down the same receivers play after play and grow as an NFL QB. At least with those improvements you could honestly say, "the guy does what a NFL QB should do but he has no chance." At this time though we pay him as a Top 10 guy even though he hasn't done a thing and he hasn't learned a thing. Add to that the fact that I think last year he said some things that made him seem less than intetested in whether we won or loss....sorry, my perception..and I'm not a huge fan. What I look forward to this year though is new talent, no coaching excuses, etc. If he shows up this year then I will be sold and will be happy to cheer him on. My problem is 8 million for a guy who is still learning after 4 years. Joey Harringtom had many stats that lined up with Carrs and he is gone. Carr had his and got more cash. Harrington had receivers but they were a horrible team too. Some of you equate a bad fan to someone who has a problem with a player. In my book that is real fan...someone who, like any person, expects performace for money paid. Bad fans are the ones who kiss someones tail and make excuses just because they look like they can throw hard and who seem like good guys. It is money paid for talent shown. Plain and simple. I like to think of it like this board. I haven't been here long and can be a moron but I have real opinions. Some think that because they have been here longer and written more posts that it equates to more knowledge. Not true. Because Carr makes 8 million and has the tools does not make him a great QB by proxy.

Name one or two who have done this!

 

[Jwwillis]

Right, but the teams did not have to worry about a salary cap. By the time Elway was sunsettting so was his contract. His first contract was 12 million over 6 years. We not only pay Carr #1 money for the first four years, but will now for another three. This is a lot of money to have no return on investment. Moreover, the total cost of ownership is way to high in my opinion as he needs more resources to be successful.

Dan Pastorini came in the league as the 1st player to reveive a 1 million dollar contract. Caps or Free Agency would not have made him worth that money or a SB winner without better receivers.

I wouldn't worry too much about McNairs payroll. He is one of the big money franchises. Total labor costs cannot exceed just less than 60% of total revenue. The Redskins broke the bank a few year back for top Fa's and they didnt do anything. the Florida Marlins bought an all star line up and won a World Series but they were dismantled the next year because even though they won the champinship the owner lost money. And then theres the Yankees. Hightest payroll.....they don't have a cap.

Barkley made over 60 million...no champion

Carl Malone

John Stockton

Hakeem made over 80 million...it took 10yrs to become a champion (surrounding personel)

Jim Kelley?

Dan Moreno?

 

[Maddict5]

i think it will be the o-line that will get the most scrutiny from national media..you ask most commentators etc about the texans- 1 of the 1st things always mentioned is how bad the o-line is...so i think the focus will be on the o-line and if it is able to keep the rush off long enough to give time to DC to use our new weapons- obviously if they're adequate and carr isnt getting it done (unlikely imo) then the pressure will turn to him