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No Oline In First

swtbound07

swtbound07

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I hear the rumblings of Joe Thomas already....I've heard these rumblings before. I heard them for Robert Gallery, I heard them for D Brick, I heard them for Jordan Gross, and I heard them for Alex Barron. The fact is, all these "franchise left tackles" Have ended up being anything but. Gallery isn't, Gross isn't, Barron isn't, and the jury is still out on Brick. Its not a safe position to pick early as of late....And we can't afford any more bad oline contracts.

However, If you look at the recent 1st round draft history of ANOTHER position of need, FS, its more heavily dotted with good investments...names like Reed, Polamalu, Williams, and Taylor.

Therefore I feel like we should draft LaRon Landry out of LSU, continue to shore up the defense, and draft o-line in later rounds. Thanks for reading
 
I agree. Even sign one in FA, one that's proven himself. If we're picking in the top 5 and Joe Thomas, Calvin Johnson, and Adrian Peterson are still on the board, I would pick either Jonson or Peterson.
 
Go FA for OL so that we can get an immediate impact at OL rather than have to wait for talent to develop. Not a knock on Thomas, I just think we have other more pressing needs and can solve our OL woes in other ways rather than the 1st round.
 
swtbound07 said:
I hear the rumblings of Joe Thomas already....I've heard these rumblings before. I heard them for Robert Gallery, I heard them for D Brick, I heard them for Jordan Gross, and I heard them for Alex Barron. The fact is, all these "franchise left tackles" Have ended up being anything but. Gallery isn't, Gross isn't, Barron isn't, and the jury is still out on Brick. Its not a safe position to pick early as of late....And we can't afford any more bad oline contracts.

However, If you look at the recent 1st round draft history of ANOTHER position of need, FS, its more heavily dotted with good investments...names like Reed, Polamalu, Williams, and Taylor.

Therefore I feel like we should draft LaRon Landry out of LSU, continue to shore up the defense, and draft o-line in later rounds. Thanks for reading
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Well, and it ain't just me...most of the pundits have Leroy...going in the 12 to eighteen range....or lower. So what you are advocating is taking a guy 6-8 picks to high. He's not the best DB on the board, and he may not be the best saftey prospect on the board. To make it perfectly clear to you...the guy has played himself out of the top ten picks. Got it. You want the guy...bad ok. We work a trade down and pick up the extra pick. But with 265 sacks on the books & six left tackle prospects on the board...only two questions i have for you my friend is which year ? And how many QBs you gonna ruin untill you get it ?
Inquiring minds want to know. If you don't get one early...you're never going to get an Elite LOT. We've never tried in five years. Might bust out no doubt. Then again, he might beat out Spencer, move Spencer to RT...move the offense into the top ten. The gamble for those stakes are worth it to me my friend. Two things Kubes has to have to run this offense...a TE and a play action pass. With out the o-line...he hasn't got the PAP. And Leroy damned sure ain't going to bring it with him.
 
threetoedpete said:
Well, and it ain't just me...most of the pundits have Leroy...going in the 12 to eighteen range....or lower. So what you are advocating is taking a guy 6-8 picks to high. He's not the best DB on the board, and he may not be the best saftey prospect on the board. To make it perfectly clear to you...the guy has played himself out of the top ten picks. Got it. You want the guy...bad ok. We work a trade down and pick up the extra pick. But with 265 sacks on the books & six left tackle prospects on the board...only two questions i have for you my friend is which year ? And how many QBs you gonna ruin untill you get it ?
Inquiring minds want to know. If you don't get one early...you're never going to get an Elite LOT. We've never tried in five years. Might bust out no doubt. Then again, he might beat out Spencer, move Spencer to RT...move the offense into the top ten. The gamble for those stakes are worth it to me my friend. Two things Kubes has to have to run this offense...a TE and a play action pass. With out the o-line...he hasn't got the PAP. And Leroy damned sure ain't going to bring it with him.
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A lot of that depends on how Spencer responds to injury rehab. If he seems to be in good shape, hopefully the coaches give him another shot with Salaam remaining in a backup capacity. The OL is in a crazy shuffle mode right now, but I don't think we address it until 3rd round or later. We need DBs and possibly a RB. And of course we can't rule out a day 1 QB depending on the value available and Kubiak's offseason assessment of Carr. The only position I could see spending a first day pick on as far as OL is C, and that wouldn't be until round 3.
 
threetoedpete said:
Well, and it ain't just me...most of the pundits have Leroy...going in the 12 to eighteen range....or lower. So what you are advocating is taking a guy 6-8 picks to high. He's not the best DB on the board, and he may not be the best saftey prospect on the board. To make it perfectly clear to you...the guy has played himself out of the top ten picks. Got it. You want the guy...bad ok. We work a trade down and pick up the extra pick. But with 265 sacks on the books & six left tackle prospects on the board...only two questions i have for you my friend is which year ? And how many QBs you gonna ruin untill you get it ?
Inquiring minds want to know. If you don't get one early...you're never going to get an Elite LOT. We've never tried in five years. Might bust out no doubt. Then again, he might beat out Spencer, move Spencer to RT...move the offense into the top ten. The gamble for those stakes are worth it to me my friend. Two things Kubes has to have to run this offense...a TE and a play action pass. With out the o-line...he hasn't got the PAP. And Leroy damned sure ain't going to bring it with him.
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Projections be damned. People that project are complete idiots. They projected Demeco into the 2nd round. Do you agree with that?? Travis Johnson had a first round grade, and was drafted right about where he should have been. I think Spencer and winston when given time to adjust to the NFL will be GOOD TACKLES. I think we have our OLINE in place when healthy. When are we going to address the GAPING holes in our secondary? Inquiring minds want to know. You want to debate Reggie Nelson vs. Landry, then lets do that. No OL in 1st round.
 
Well big guy I'm just tring to understand the slide. The game I saw him in he was a great little tackler. But I saw No PLAYS OUT of him . I think we got boat loads of that right now. I can't say that about the other DB prospects on the board I've watched. I've got Ross with a second round grade. BUT, when I watched Ross, I saw him make plays. I saw Taylor, Reed, Palamlu make plays in college. Your guy didn't. Where'd he go ? You wanna take the guy ten picks too high, be my guest. Just don't go banging on the bull pen when the team keeps sucking. Refrain from posting what a terrible coach Kubes is. Do not tell the world that Rick Smith sucks. This is why we are where we are. Taking guys out of position. Free safty is a need. Just not certain we can get the same thing Leron brings a whole lot cheaper in the top of the second. Guy goes in the tank, for whatever reason...I want that guy on someone elses team.

As far as Demmeeco, He is a tackling machine no doubt. They take a Mike, they're moving him to will next year. He got punked today by the anointed one in the hole for the 39 yard TD game winner BTW. Side to side, he is a monster. Stragiht ahead...he's aunt Jane. If I can see, it won't be long befor the rest of the league catches up to him.
Won't bother with the rest of your rant.... just let Leron know we're watching and we'd like to see first round play out of him. Right now he looks like tarzan and plays like Jane to me. There is a reason he is sliding.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Do you see Demeco being better at Will than Mike or worse.
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I think he will do equally well pretty much, but he is more suited for Will. He has done an admirable job at Mike, but needs to bulk up more to stay there. QB's can't have an open running lane through your zone in OT for the win.
 
I think we should follow the bllue print set by the SanDiego SuperChargers since Drafting Ryan Leaf in the first round of the 1997 draft. four years later, drafting Drew Brees in the second round, then three years later drafting Phillip Rivers, at the top of the first round. Then the majority of our remaining picks can be used on defense.

QB ain't no joke, they are valuable to a franchise, so it makes sense to spend a little extra trying to find one. It's nice to have a guy sitting on the bench who might be a good franchise QB.

But to start that guy year in & year out 5 years running is bordering on insanity........ the far side of insanity.

We're behind quite a bit........ so to "catch-up", I feel we should go ahead and get into the mindset that we will draft a QB on the first day of the next three drafts..... the other two first day picks should be defense...... '07, a DT & another LB.
 
swtbound07 said:
I hear the rumblings of Joe Thomas already....I've heard these rumblings before. I heard them for Robert Gallery, I heard them for D Brick, I heard them for Jordan Gross, and I heard them for Alex Barron. The fact is, all these "franchise left tackles" Have ended up being anything but. Gallery isn't, Gross isn't, Barron isn't, and the jury is still out on Brick. Its not a safe position to pick early as of late....And we can't afford any more bad oline contracts.

However, If you look at the recent 1st round draft history of ANOTHER position of need, FS, its more heavily dotted with good investments...names like Reed, Polamalu, Williams, and Taylor.

Therefore I feel like we should draft LaRon Landry out of LSU, continue to shore up the defense, and draft o-line in later rounds. Thanks for reading
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Co-signed,

xtruroyaltyx
 
Texansfan36 said:
I thought I heard that Spencer's career was over? Please tell me I just heard wrong.
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I heard was that it was a broken leg and shouldn't have an effect on his career. Then I heard that Kubes said he was having a tough time with rehab on his radio show. (Actually I read it here on this board.)

If this is true, it wouldn't surprise me for Spencer to get moved to Guard.

Regardless....if Joe Thomas is there, we need him.

Pro-Bowl LT's usually are drafted in the first round for a reason. They don't come around that often.
 
LOL......I've changed my mind on this several times, but I absolutely do not want Joe Thomas....

Spencer will be a beast....I saw some things out of him before his injury that left me feeling warm and fuzzy inside....

The guy had great feet, quickness, strength, and best of all he had a terrible mean streak....I loved it....and I don't know if anyone noticed, but every time his running back got tackled he was always running up to the pile pushing people off and trying to get his RB up on his feet....I think that initially he's going to struggle a bit when he comes back from his injury, but playing O-line is like riding a bike...It's mostly about technique and balance, and you don't forget how to do it...I'm not really worried about Spencer, because he seems like a hard worker, and getting back into shape is going to be his biggest challenge....Wherever they ultimately decide to play him, I think he's going to be a beast....
 
swtbound07 said:
I hear the rumblings of Joe Thomas already....I've heard these rumblings before. I heard them for Robert Gallery, I heard them for D Brick, I heard them for Jordan Gross, and I heard them for Alex Barron. The fact is, all these "franchise left tackles" Have ended up being anything but. Gallery isn't, Gross isn't, Barron isn't, and the jury is still out on Brick. Its not a safe position to pick early as of late....And we can't afford any more bad oline contracts.

However, If you look at the recent 1st round draft history of ANOTHER position of need, FS, its more heavily dotted with good investments...names like Reed, Polamalu, Williams, and Taylor.

Therefore I feel like we should draft LaRon Landry out of LSU, continue to shore up the defense, and draft o-line in later rounds. Thanks for reading
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"ditto"

IF history is any indicator there will be no Oline or RB selected in the 1st RD. Based on where the Texans are projecting in the draft I think the selections will be between Posluzny or Landry. Conventional wisdom is you take a skilled or specialist player with a RD 1 pick.
 
Texian said:
"ditto"

IF history is any indicator there will be no Oline or RB selected in the 1st RD. Based on where the Texans are projecting in the draft I think the selections will be between Posluzny or Landry. Conventional wisdom is you take a skilled or specialist player with a RD 1 pick.
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When you're correct your correct. that is exactly what this club has done for four out of five years. T. J. is the anomoly. Like where it's put us do you ?


Putting a whole lot of chips on that broke leg is all I know. Course if your logic is to bite the bullet one more season and go after Mcfaddin or Ray Rice...I could see that. Salaam as your OLT..we've got the table set.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Spencer will be a beast....I saw some things out of him before his injury that left me feeling warm and fuzzy inside....

The guy had great feet, quickness, strength, and best of all he had a terrible mean streak....I loved it....and I don't know if anyone noticed, but every time his running back got tackled he was always running up to the pile pushing people off and trying to get his RB up on his feet....I think that initially he's going to struggle a bit when he comes back from his injury, but playing O-line is like riding a bike...It's mostly about technique and balance, and you don't forget how to do it...I'm not really worried about Spencer, because he seems like a hard worker, and getting back into shape is going to be his biggest challenge....Wherever they ultimately decide to play him, I think he's going to be a beast....
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CAN Spencer come back 100% even Kubiak said he was VERY worried about Spencers Career in coming back from this break.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I think he will do equally well pretty much, but he is more suited for Will. He has done an admirable job at Mike, but needs to bulk up more to stay there. QB's can't have an open running lane through your zone in OT for the win.
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Or...they need to get some quality big bodies in front of him. At where we're picking, they take a DT the one of the first two picks...I want squawk. Greenwwod had his best game as a Texan yesterday...All I want to know is where has that been for two years ?

I think he'd make a fine Will. I think with his tallent I'd like to see what he could do coming off the edge next summer. They were sniffing Charlie Anderson yesterday. Don't know if Orr was hurt or they were getting film on him ? Lot of the guys getting sniffs the rest of the season.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I think he will do equally well pretty much, but he is more suited for Will. He has done an admirable job at Mike, but needs to bulk up more to stay there. QB's can't have an open running lane through your zone in OT for the win.
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Or...they need to get some quality big bodies in front of him. At where we're picking, they take a DT with one of the first two picks...I want squawk. Greenwwod had his best game as a Texan yesterday...All I want to know is where has that been for two years ?

I think he'd make a fine Will. I think with his tallent I'd like to see what he could do coming off the edge next summer. They were sniffing Charlie Anderson yesterday. Don't know if Orr was hurt or they were getting film on him ? Lot of the guys getting sniffs the rest of the season.
 
December 12, 2006

All Info gathered from Nfl.com:
http:www.nfl.com/draft/history/positions/T



The 1996 draft was an uncommonly good draft for offensive lineman. The Bull in the pen for that draft is of course Jonathan Odgen of the Baltimore Ravens. Ogden is a grizzled veteran of sixteen seasons. His high level of play puts him as a lock HOFer as soon as he hangs up the cleats. Also on that board were nfl stalwarts Willie Anderson retired, Bengal’s, Jamain Stephens, Jason Layman, Roman Oben, Ken Blackman, Jon Runyan, Fred Miller, Jimmy Herdon, and Harry Stamps. This class featured five first round choices. Of the twenty three taken, we have one HOFer, one legitimate candidate for HOFer, Anderson. And several who have made significant contributions.

As the class of ’06 stacks up as similar…here is the break down by the numbers of this class:

2 of 5 20% you have a shot at a HOFer in the first round.

Stephens, Layman, Oben, Blackmon, Barr, Odom , Runyan, Miller, and Stamps.

10 of 23. 50% i.e. through the forth round you have a 50-50 chance of hitting a legitimate high caliber NFL starter.

First round bust 2 of 5. 40 % or 2 0f 23….!0 %

The interesting thing is…and this is a reoccurring theme in all of the drafts, once you get past the forth round in the draft, you have less than 10% chance of hitting a legitimate starter.

2 of 23…Jimmy Herdon & Rod Jones.

So for our purposes, if you’re counting on landing a nice OLT or any starter after the third round, you’ve got two chances…slim and none. Those of you who keep posting this crap are out of your ever loving minds.


The Class:

# 4 Jonanthan Odgen UCLA
# 10 Willie Anderson Auburn
# 27 John Micheals USC
# 29 Jamane Stephens North Carolina A & T
# 30 Andre Johnson Penn St.
# 48 Jason Layman Tennesse
# 66 Roman Oben Lousiville
# 69 Ken Blackmon Illinios
# 77 Robert Barr Rutgers
# 96 Jason Odom Fla.
# 106 Norbeto Davidds Garrido USC
# 109 Jon Runyan Michigan
# 141 Fred Miller Baylor
# 146 Jimmy Hendron U of Houston
# 157 Kenneth McDaniel Norfolk St.
# 161 Harry Stamps O. U.
# 179 Keno Hills Louisiana Lafayette
# 187 Jon Clark Temple
# 191 Keith Conlin Penn St.
# 213 Leslie Ratliffe Kansas
# 229 Eathan Brooks Williams
# 230 Jeff Buckley Stanford
 
BattleRedToro said:
The problem with your analogy is at that time the San Diego Chargers already had a better Offensive Line than the Texans have ever had. We need Offensive Linemen in the worst way. No pick is a guarentee, but I still would prefer to see the Texans attempt to fix the line in the next draft especially early.
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So drafting one LT in the first rd. is going to fix the line ?
 
the offensive line doesn't need to much work. what needs work is our running game and secondary. everytime another team threw the deep ball on us we get burnt. if the texans have a chance to draft adrian peterson, they should take him. everyone who has seen him play knows why. with an effective running game our offense stays on the field and it gives the defense time to rest. seriously though, if the texans have a chance at adrian peterson and they pass up on him i will no longer be able to like the texans. they have had a tendency to scew up way to many drafts, besides last year round 2 and up (still not to sure about mario, i dont really like the fact that he only has 4.5 sacks and got shook by vince last weekend). kubiak is a good coach i just hope that he doesnt think he can win a super bowl without an impact back, because it would have never happend in denver without terrel davis.
 
This team needs enough players that if we pick 4th and there is an elite prospect there only at RB ... then take him . You don't pick a lesser prospect to fill a need you might consider more important .
 
BattleRedToro said:
The problem with your analogy is at that time the San Diego Chargers already had a better Offensive Line than the Texans have ever had. We need Offensive Linemen in the worst way. No pick is a guarentee, but I still would prefer to see the Texans attempt to fix the line in the next draft especially early.
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The problem with your assumption...... during that time, SanDiego never drafted an OL earlier than the 3rd round...... same thing the Texans did in 2002, 2003, 2004, (skipped 2005 to allow them the "gel" I guess) & in 2006..... Results have been the same... year in, year out.

on top of that, the same talent scouts that said Carr can get us to the big game...... said that talent was not the problem on this team. Kubiak pretty much signed off on that analasys, when he started 3 of our 5 starters from last year. He also kept 2 of our draftees as depth(grooming??).

There's been two constants with our OL since it's inception. Chester Pitts, & David Carr. Now I don't hear many folks talk about replacing Chester.
 
TK ... I agree with you , if you look at San Diego they don't have high picks except for the rookie McNeil ... he's a 2nd rd pick .

Look at Atlanta's OL ... their late picks and FA's .

You can't build the great wall around Carr . At some point the defenses should know if we stack the line ... he'll burn our #@$## . Before the snap he''ll see who's the weakest link and make you pay or in Carr's case not .
 
with the texans blocking sceme we dont need a first round tackle, we need a back that can hit the hole quick. Our secondary is a joke, besides d. rob and faggins
 
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