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Nick Caserio Draft Prototypes

Lucky

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Nick Caserio became the Patriots Director of player personnel in 2008. That made Nick the #2 guy in the draft room, behind The Hoodie. I thought we would use the pre-draft period to go over Caserio and Belichick's draft choices over the past decade by position groups. Is there a proto type, based on size, speed, school, combine test? Has that changed over the years? Are there things Caserio looks for in a prospect that can be quantified?

I'm starting at the CB position, where the Patriots selected 11 players over the past decade.

2011 2nd Round Ras-I Dowling, Virginia, 73", 198 lbs, 4.40 (40)- no 3-cone, no VJ
2011 7th Round Malcolm Williams, TCU, 71", 200 lbs, 4.47 (40), 40" VJ, no 3-cone
2012 7th Round Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska, 70", 204 lbs, 4.48 (40), 37" VJ, no 3-cone
2013 3rd Round Logan Ryan, Rutgers, 71", 191 lbs, 4.56 (40), 32.5" VJ, 6.69 3-cone
2014 6th Round Jemea Thomas, Georgia Tech, 69", 192 lbs, 4.50 (40), 36" VJ, no 3-cone
2015 7th Round Darryl Roberts, Marshall, 71", 187 lbs, 4.36 (40), 39" VJ, 6.66 3-cone
2016 2nd Round Cyrus Jones, Alabama, 70", 197 lbs, 4.49 (40), 33" VJ, 6.71 3-cone
2018 2nd Round Duke Dawson, Florida, 70", 208 lbs, 4.46 (40), no 3-cone, no VJ
2018 6th Round Keion Crossen, Western Carolina, 69", 178 lbs, 4.33 (40), 39" VJ, 6.67 3-cone
2019 2nd Round Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt, 75", 211 lbs, 4.64 (40), 36" VJ, 6.92 3-cone
2019 7th Round Ken Webster, Ole Miss, 70", 203 lbs, 4.43 (40), 43" VJ, 6.85 3-cone

Average Ht: 71"
Average Wt: 197 lbs
Average 40: 4.47
Average VJ: 37"
Average 3-cone: 6.75

Pretty standard for the position. The anomaly is Joejuan Williams. Way above average size. Sub par speed and quickness. Williams was outside the norms for the position. But, it was recent. So it's possible that jumbo CBs are something the Texans might look at, if one were to be available.
 
Here are the (9) EDGEs the Pats selected from 2011-2020:

2011 6th Round Markell Carter Central Arkansas 6'4" 252 lbs 4.7 (40), 35.5" VJ, 120" BJ
2012 1st Round Chandler Jones Syracuse 6'5" 266 lbs 4.77 (40), 35" VJ, 120" BJ
2013 6th Round Michael Buchanan Illinois 6'5" 255 lbs 4.78 (40), 33" VJ, 113" BJ
2014 6th Round Zach Moore Concordia 6'5" 269 lbs 4.84 (40), 33.5" VJ, 123" BJ
2015 3rd Round Geneo Grissom Oklahoma 6'3" 262 lbs 4.82 (40), 37" VJ, 117" BJ
2015 4th Round Trey Flowers Arkansas 6'2" 266 lbs 4.93 (40), 36.5" VJ, 121" BJ
2017 3rd Round Derek Rivers Youngstown St. 6'4" 248 lbs 4.61 (40), 35" VJ, 123" BJ
2019 3rd Round Chase Winovich Michigan 6'3" 256" lbs 4.59 (40), 30.5" VJ, 116" BJ
2020 2nd Round Josh Uche Michigan 6'1" 245 lbs (No combine or pro day numbers)

Average Ht: 75"
Average Wt: 257 lbs
Average 40: 4.75
Average VJ: 34.5"
Average BJ: 119"

Early in the decade, the Pats preferred longer, beefier pass rushers. But, that changed to smaller, quicker edges by the end of the decade. How that translates to the Texans (who will begin playing a different defensive front) remains to be seen.
 
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Interior defensive linemen drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2014 1st Round Dominique Easley Florida 6'2" 288 lbs 26 BP (recovering from knee surgery)
2015 1st Round Malcom Brown Texas 6'2" 319 lbs 5.05 (40), 29.5" VJ, 26 BP
2016 3rd Round Vincent Valentine Nebraska 6'4" 329 lbs 5.19 (40) 29" VJ, 17 BP
2017 4th Round Deatrich Wise Arkansas 6'5" 274 lbs 4.92 (40), 33" VJ, 22 BP
2019 5th Round Byron Cowart Michigan 6'3" 298 lbs 5.16" (40) 30" VJ, 26 BP

Average Ht: 75"
Average Wt: 301 lbs
Average 40: 5.08
Average VJ: 30.5"
Average BP: 23

Not sure there's much to learn from this, other than the Pats disregard for rookie D-linemen. 5 in 10 drafts? The Pats drafted that many TEs over the same period. I guess they believe D-Linemen are made rather than born. Ironically, the opposite of Belichick mentor Bill Parcell's "Planet" theory.
 
Lucky said:
Early in the decade, the Pats preferred longer, beefier pass rushers. But, that changed to smaller, quicker edges by the end of the decade. How that translates to the Texans (who will begin playing a different defensive front) remains to be seen.
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Right so I dunno how much alike or dissimilar the Lovie Smith 3-4 is compared to what Belichick was running in NE, but one would think
we'd be looking for the smaller, quicker edges who are often discovered among the ranks of the tweeners coming out of college ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Right so I dunno how much alike or dissimilar the Lovie Smith 3-4 is compared to what Belichick was running in NE, but one would think
we'd be looking for the smaller, quicker edges who are often discovered among the ranks of the tweeners coming out of college ?
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I thought Lovie ran a 4-3?
 
Lucky said:
Nick Caserio became the Patriots Director of player personnel in 2008. That made Nick the #2 guy in the draft room, behind The Hoodie. I thought we would use the pre-draft period to go over Caserio and Belichick's draft choices over the past decade by position groups. Is there a proto type, based on size, speed, school, combine test? Has that changed over the years? Are there things Caserio looks for in a prospect that can be quantified?

I'm starting at the CB position, where the Patriots selected 11 players over the past decade.

2011 2nd Round Ras-I Dowling, Virginia, 73", 198 lbs, 4.40 (40)- no 3-cone, no VJ
2011 7th Round Malcolm Williams, TCU, 71", 200 lbs, 4.47 (40), 40" VJ, no 3-cone
2012 7th Round Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska, 70", 204 lbs, 4.48 (40), 37" VJ, no 3-cone
2013 3rd Round Logan Ryan, Rutgers, 71", 191 lbs, 4.56 (40), 32.5" VJ, 6.69 3-cone
2014 6th Round Jemea Thomas, Georgia Tech, 69", 192 lbs, 4.50 (40), 36" VJ, no 3-cone
2015 7th Round Darryl Roberts, Marshall, 71", 187 lbs, 4.36 (40), 39" VJ, 6.66 3-cone
2016 2nd Round Cyrus Jones, Alabama, 70", 197 lbs, 4.49 (40), 33" VJ, 6.71 3-cone
2018 2nd Round Duke Dawson, Florida, 70", 208 lbs, 4.46 (40), no 3-cone, no VJ
2018 6th Round Keion Crossen, Western Carolina, 69", 178 lbs, 4.33 (40), 39" VJ, 6.67 3-cone
2019 2nd Round Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt, 75", 211 lbs, 4.64 (40), 36" VJ, 6.92 3-cone
2019 7th Round Ken Webster, Ole Miss, 70", 203 lbs, 4.43 (40), 43" VJ, 6.85 3-cone

Average Ht: 71"
Average Wt: 197 lbs
Average 40: 4.47
Average VJ: 37"
Average 3-cone: 6.75

Pretty standard for the position. The anomaly is Joejuan Williams. Way above average size. Sub par speed and quickness. Williams was outside the norms for the position. But, it was recent. So it's possible that jumbo CBs are something the Texans might look at, if one were to be available.
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So based on this information, which CB prospects in this draft fit his mold?
 
Linebackers drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2012 1st Round Dont'a Hightower Alabama 6'2" 265 lbs 4.62 (40), 32" VJ, no BJ
2013 2nd Round Jamie Collins Southern Mississippi 6'3" 250 lbs 4.64 (40), 41.5 VJ, 139" BJ
2013 7th Round Steve Beauharnais Rutgers 6'1" 240 lbs 4.84 (40), 33" VJ, 118" BJ
2015 6th Round Matthew Wells Mississippi State 6'2 222 lbs 4.40 (40) 35" VJ, 119" BJ
2016 6th Round Kamu Grugier-Hill Eastern Illinois 6'2" 208 lbs (4.44) 40, 38.5" VJ, 129" BJ
2016 7th Round Elandon Roberts Houston 6'0" 234 lbs 4.60 (40), 36" VJ, 120" BJ
2018 5th Round Ja'Whaun Bentley Purdue 6'1" 246 lbs 4.75 (40), 29.5" VJ, 111" BJ
2018 6th Round Christian Sam Arizona State 6'2" 244 lbs 4.75 (40), 32" VJ, 114" BJ
2020 3rd Round Anfernee Jennings Alabama 6'2" 256 lbs (No combine or pro day numbers)
2020 6th Round Cassh Maluia Wyoming 5'11" 231 lbs 4.55 (40), 33" VJ, 116" BJ

Average Ht: 73"
Average Wt: 239 lbs
Average 40: 4.62
Average VJ: 34.5"
Average BJ: 121"

No matter the size of the LB, the Pats have preferred plus athletes. I don't think that will change with Caserio move to the Texans.
 
Lucky said:
Linebackers drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2012 1st Round Dont'a Hightower Alabama 6'2" 265 lbs 4.62 (40), 32" VJ, no BJ
2013 2nd Round Jamie Collins Southern Mississippi 6'3" 250 lbs 4.64 (40), 41.5 VJ, 139" BJ
2013 7th Round Steve Beauharnais Rutgers 6'1" 240 lbs 4.84 (40), 33" VJ, 118" BJ
2015 6th Round Matthew Wells Mississippi State 6'2 222 lbs 4.40 (40) 35" VJ, 119" BJ
2016 6th Round Kamu Grugier-Hill Eastern Illinois 6'2" 208 lbs (4.44) 40, 38.5" VJ, 129" BJ
2016 7th Round Elandon Roberts Houston 6'0" 234 lbs 4.60 (40), 36" VJ, 120" BJ
2018 5th Round Ja'Whaun Bentley Purdue 6'1" 246 lbs 4.75 (40), 29.5" VJ, 111" BJ
2018 6th Round Christian Sam Arizona State 6'2" 244 lbs 4.75 (40), 32" VJ, 114" BJ
2020 3rd Round Anfernee Jennings Alabama 6'2" 256 lbs (No combine or pro day numbers)
2020 6th Round Cassh Maluia Wyoming 5'11" 231 lbs 4.55 (40), 33" VJ, 116" BJ

Average Ht: 73"
Average Wt: 239 lbs
Average 40: 4.62
Average VJ: 34.5"
Average BJ: 121"

No matter the size of the LB, the Pats have preferred plus athletes. I don't think that will change with Caserio move to the Texans.
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I really like LB- Charles Snowden, Virginia (6-6 @ 243 lbs). This guy is a former basketball prospect with good feet. What I really like.....his ability to cover TE’s early or downfield. He possesses coveted size and could be a great neutralizer against TE’s who routinely enjoy big days against this Texans defense.
 
Who else was available when each one of those players were drafted? He might have preferred a shorter faster pressed type corner but ended up with something else as best available. I am more interested in how the players he selected turned out.
 
steelbtexan said:
Rochelle
Ambry Thomas
Adebo
St. Juste
Gowan

He doesn't fit the mold but Belichick drafted his dad and if he fell to 67 I would run the card to God'ell. Asante Samuel Jr.
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I’m not the biggest fan of Rochelle. His senior bowl week was one to forget. I’m high on Thomas and a few others.
 
TexansFan15 said:
I thought Lovie ran a 4-3?
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The overabundance of changes in Houston has left some big revamps mostly ignored at this stage of the process. One aspect rarely discussed among the rundown of alterations to the Texans organization is the defense adjusting from a 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 alignment as part of new coordinator Lovie Smith's plan.
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Shaq Lawson looks to aid Texans' transition to 4-3 defense under Lovie Smith: 'It's perfect for me'

Transitioning away from the 3-4 defense will take an overhaul of personnel in Houston. With J.J. Watt gone, the Texans traded for veteran Shaq Lawson from Miami to help the transition.
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You are right, and I stand corrected.
Dank and I was looking forward to seeing the ole 3-4 this Fall.
 
TexansFan15 said:
I’m not the biggest fan of Rochelle. His senior bowl week was one to forget. I’m high on Thomas and a few others.
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I'm thinking Rochelle is like a clump of clay to be molded.

I'm much higher on Gowan and Thomas than Rochelle. But Rochelle has physical gifts that the others I listed dont have. I'm interested to see how risk averse Caserio is.
 
Safeties drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2012 2nd Round Tavon Wilson Illinois 6'0" 205 lbs 4.52 (40), 32" VJ, 7.04 3-cone
2013 3rd Round Duron Harmon Rutgers 6'0 196 lbs 4.51 (40), 36" VJ, 7.02 3-cone
2015 2nd Round Jordan Richards Stanford 5'11 211 lbs 4.65 (40), 32" VJ, 6.74 3-cone
2020 2nd Round Kyle Dugger Lenior-Rhyne 6'1" 217 lbs 4.49 (40) 42" VJ, No 3-cone

Average Ht: 72"
Average Wt: 207 lbs
Average 40: 4.54
Average VJ: 35.5"
Average 3-cone: 6.93

Not very many picks allocated to the Safety position. But if they did go Safety, it was Day 2. Hard to extrapolate much from a small sample size like this.
 
IDEXAN said:
The overabundance of changes in Houston has left some big revamps mostly ignored at this stage of the process. One aspect rarely discussed among the rundown of alterations to the Texans organization is the defense adjusting from a 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 alignment as part of new coordinator Lovie Smith's plan.
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www.nfl.com

Shaq Lawson looks to aid Texans' transition to 4-3 defense under Lovie Smith: 'It's perfect for me'

Transitioning away from the 3-4 defense will take an overhaul of personnel in Houston. With J.J. Watt gone, the Texans traded for veteran Shaq Lawson from Miami to help the transition.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com
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You are right, and I stand corrected.
Dank and I was looking forward to seeing the ole 3-4 this Fall.
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It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if Caserio drafted the most athletic DT in this draft at 67 (Milton Williams) and then trade back into the 3rd rd and draft Ellerson Smith who's 1 of the most athletic Edges in this draft. These 2 picks would definitely help the anmemic pass rush.
 
Lucky said:
Safeties drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2012 2nd Round Tavon Wilson Illinois 6'0" 205 lbs 4.52 (40), 32" VJ, 7.04 3-cone
2013 3rd Round Duron Harmon Rutgers 6'0 196 lbs 4.51 (40), 36" VJ, 7.02 3-cone
2015 2nd Round Jordan Richards Stanford 5'11 211 lbs 4.65 (40), 32" VJ, 6.74 3-cone
2020 2nd Round Kyle Dugger Lenior-Rhyne 6'1" 217 lbs 4.49 (40) 42" VJ, No 3-cone

Average Ht: 72"
Average Wt: 207 lbs
Average 40: 4.54
Average VJ: 35.5"
Average 3-cone: 6.93

Not very many picks allocated to the Safety position. But if they did go Safety, it was Day 2. Hard to extrapolate much from a small sample size like this.
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Safeties that I think would be good additions are R. Grant, D. Deablo, a sleeper prospect C. Uphoff.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm thinking Rochelle is like a clump of clay to be molded.

I'm much higher on Gowan and Thomas than Rochelle. But Rochelle has physical gifts that the others I listed dont have. I'm interested to see how risk averse Caserio is.
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I wouldn’t draft him higher than a late 6th. I understand his physical traits, but he wasn’t a threat at all when he faced higher competition at the SB.
A guy I’d take a flyer on that still had a decent SB week would be Darren Hall out of SDSU.
 
Lucky said:
Early in the decade, the Pats preferred longer, beefier pass rushers. But, that changed to smaller, quicker edges by the end of the decade.
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Analytics showed there wasn’t a significant correlation between length and overall success for EDGE, so they adjusted.

Lucky said:
How that translates to the Texans (who will begin playing a different defensive front) remains to be seen.
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Feeds into it as 4-3 ends that can be aligned at 6-tech, 7-tech, or 9-tech can be smaller and need to be quicker penetrators.

 
I am interested in Trill Williams cornerback from Syracuse. Reminds me a bit of Kareem Jackson and may need a year to adapt. If he advances as I think, he could have a Jackson type career.

He has played WR, safety and corner and would be best if Lovie settles on one of the DB positions. Unfortunately I think he will be bounced between corner and safety to his detriment on any team that selects him.
 
Interior Offensive Linemen drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2014 4th Round Bryan Stork Florida St. 6'4" 315 lbs 5.44 (40), No BP, 7.90 3-cone
2014 6th Round Jon Halapio Florida 6'3" 323 lbs 5.34 (40), No BP, 8.26 3-cone
2015 4th Round Tre' Jackson Florida St. 6'4" 330 lbs 5.52 (40), No BP, No 3-cone
2015 4th Round Shaq Mason Georgia Tech 6'1" 310 lbs 5.27 (40), No BP, 7.53 3-cone
2016 3rd Round Joe Thuney North Carolina St. 6'4" 304 4.95 (40), 28 BP, 7.47 3-cone
2016 6th Round Ted Karras Illinois 6'3" 307 lbs, 5.34 (40), No BP, 8.15 3-cone
2019 4th Round Hjalte Froholdt Arkansas 6'5" 304 lbs 5.20 (40), 31 BP, 7.51 3-cone
2020 6th Round Michael Onwenu Michigan 6'3 344 lbs No (40), 26 BP, No 3-cone

Average Ht: 75"
Average Wt: 317 lbs
Average 40: 5.29
Average BP: 29
Average 3-cone: 7.80

The Patriots have selected jumbo IOL, and smaller IOL. Doesn't seem they took much interest in combine numbers. Main takeaway would be Power 5 schools on the 3rd day.
 
Offensive Tackles drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2011 1st Round Nate Solder Colorado 6'8" 319 lbs 4.96 (40), 21 BP, 7.44 3-cone
2011 5th Round Marcus Cannon TCU 6'5" 358 lbs 5.26 (40), 33 BP, 8.07 3-cone
2014 4th Round Cameron Fleming Stanford 6'5" 323 lbs 5.28 (40), 26 BP, 8.24 3-cone
2017 3rd Round Antonio Garcia Troy 6'6" 304 lbs 5.15 (40), 24 BP, 7.98 3-cone
2017 4th Round Conor McDermott UCLA 6'8" 307 lbs 5.18 (40), No BP, 7.52 3-cone
2018 1st Round Isaiah Wynn Georgia 6'2" 313 lbs (No combine or pro day numbers)
2019 3rd Round Pick Yodny Cajuste West Virginia 6'5" 312 lbs No (40), 32 BP, No 3-cone

Average Ht: 77"
Average Wt: 319 lbs
Average 40: 5.16
Average BP: 27
Average 3-cone: 7.76

Have always drafted OTs with length. Except for using a 1st rounder on one of the shortest OTs in recent memory. Have not been afraid to pull the trigger on injured OTs.
 
Tight Ends drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2011 5th Round Lee Smith Marshall 6'6" 266 lbs 4.94 (40), 29" VJ, 25 BP
2015 6th Round AJ Derby Arkansas 6'3" 255 lbs 4.73 (40), No VJ, 15 BP
2018 7th Round Ryan Izzo Florida St. 6'5" 256 lbs 4.94 (40), 33 VJ, 18 BP
2020 3rd Round Devin Asiasi UCLA 6'3" 257 lbs 4.73 (40), 30.5 VJ, 16 BP
2020 3rd Round Dalton Keene Virginia Tech 6'4" 253 lbs 4.71 (40), 34 VJ, 21 BP

Average Ht: 76"
Average Wt: 257 lbs
Average 40: 4.81
Average VJ: 31"
Average BP: 19

Not a lot of draft capitol spent on TE during the decade. Not surprising, when you have an All Pro (Gronk) on the roster. When Gronk retired, the Pats did spend 2 2nd day picks on the position. So it's safe to assume Caserio values the position. Look for a good sized, good athlete to be drafted at TE during some point in the draft.
 
Wide receivers drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2012 7th Round Jeremy Ebert Northwestern 5'10" 200 lbs 4.38 (40), 33" VJ, 6.70 3-cone
2013 2nd Round Aaron Dobson Marshall 6'3" 210 lbs 4.37 (40), 35" VJ, 7.19 3-cone
2013 4th Round Josh Boyce TCU 5'11 206 lbs 4.38 (40), 34" VJ, 6.68 3-cone
2014 7th Round Jeremy Gallon Michigan 5'7" 185 lbs 4.49 (40), 39" VJ, 7.07 3-cone
2016 4th Round Malcolm Mitchell Georgia 6'0" 198 lbs 4.45 (40), 36" VJ, 6.94 3-cone
2016 7th Round Devin Lucien Arizona St. 6'0" 201 lbs 4.49 (40), 34.5" VJ, 6.94 3-cone
2018 5th Round Braxton Berrios Miami 5'9" 184 lbs 4.44 (40), 36" VJ, 6.72 3-cone
2019 1st Round N'Keal Harry Arizona St. 6'2" 228 lbs 4.53 (40), 38.5" VJ, 7.05 3-cone

Average Ht: 71"
Average Wt: 201 lbs
Average 40: 4.44
Average VJ: 35.5"
Average 3-cone: 6.91

Be it an outside or slot, the Pats like their receivers to test well. Outside WRs should be 6'+. Not a lot of success stories in the past decade.
 
Running Backs drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2011 2nd Round Shane Vereen California 5'10" 210 lbs 4.49 (40), 34" VJ, 6.95 3-cone
2011 3rd Round Stevan Ridley LSU 5'11 225 lbs 4.65 (40), 36" VJ, 6.78 3-cone
2014 4th Round James White Wisconsin 5'9" 204 lbs 4.57 (40), 32 VJ, 7.05 3-cone
2018 1st Round Sony Michel Georgia 5'10" 214 lbs 4.54 (40), No VJ, No 3-cone
2019 3rd Round Damien Harris Alabama 5'10" 216" 4.57 (40), 37" VJ, No 3-cone

Average Ht: 70"
Average Wt: 214 lbs
Average 40: 4.56
Average VJ: 35"
Average 3-cone: 6.92

Short, squatty RBs have been exclusive with the Pats the past decade. More interested in short area quickness than long speed. Receiving ability has been high on the Patriot's checklist for RBs.
 
Quarterbacks drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2011 3rd Round Ryan Mallett Arkansas 6'7" 253 lbs, 11" Hands, 5.24 (40), 58 mph Ball Velocity
2014 2nd Round Jimmy Garoppolo E. Illinois 6'2" 226 lbs, 9" Hands, 4.97 (40) 56 mph Ball Velocity
2016 3rd Round Jacoby Brissett North Carolina St. 6'4" 231 lbs, 10" Hands, 4.94 (40), 56 mph Ball Velocity
2018 7th Round Danny Etling LSU 6'2" 222 lbs, 9" Hands, 4.76 (40), 56 mph Ball Velocity
2019 4th Round Jarrett Stidham Auburn 6'2" 218 lbs, 9" Hands, 4.81 (40), NA Ball Velocity

Average Ht: 75"
Average Wt: 230 lbs
Hand Size: 9.5"
Average 40: 4.94
Ball Velocity: 56 mph

The Pats look for good size QBs, less concerned with mobility.
 
Lucky said:
Quarterbacks drafted by New England from 2011-2020:

2011 3rd Round Ryan Mallett Arkansas 6'7" 253 lbs, 11" Hands, 5.24 (40), 58 mph Ball Velocity
2014 2nd Round Jimmy Garoppolo E. Illinois 6'2" 226 lbs, 9" Hands, 4.97 (40) 56 mph Ball Velocity
2016 3rd Round Jacoby Brissett North Carolina St. 6'4" 231 lbs, 10" Hands, 4.94 (40), 56 mph Ball Velocity
2018 7th Round Danny Etling LSU 6'2" 222 lbs, 9" Hands, 4.76 (40), 56 mph Ball Velocity
2019 4th Round Jarrett Stidham Auburn 6'2" 218 lbs, 9" Hands, 4.81 (40), NA Ball Velocity

Average Ht: 75"
Average Wt: 230 lbs
Hand Size: 9.5"
Average 40: 4.94
Ball Velocity: 56 mph

The Pats look for good size QBs, less concerned with mobility.
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Looks like there's a chance that Mills/Trask could be the next Texans QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
Looks like there's a chance that Mills/Trask could be the next Texans QB.
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Who will New England and Chicago be drafting in round 1 or 2?

The first two rounds will be key and the rush to draft the QB's will be interesting to watch. Mond may not even make it to the third. For me, it will be interesting to see who is drafted first, Mills or Mond. I think it will be Mills.

If there isn't a QB frenzy, both Mills and Mond, based on not being NFL ready, would be projected to the third or forth rounds. Trask is one of most NFL ready talents and is projected for the first, but has to go to the right team. He would be a natural fit in New England.

From what I've read, it seems Chicago is strongly leaning toward taking a QB and are considering both Mills and Mond, with Mills possibly being their first consideration.

Reading about team needs, those posted since the Watson fiasco, the Texans are listed as needing a QB. Teams such as Chicago must be worrying about the Texans taking a QB at 67, pushing them to take the QB they want in the second, rather than risk the third, where they would normally want to make the selection.

Also, I think Denver may be considering a QB, possibly Mills. There's seems to be a lot of pressure on teams wanting a QB to overdraft the position which naturally has the tendency to lead to a QB frenzy.

The first two rounds will be interesting.
 
Lucky said:
Here are the (9) EDGEs the Pats selected from 2011-2020:

2011 6th Round Markell Carter Central Arkansas 6'4" 252 lbs 4.7 (40), 35.5" VJ, 120" BJ
2012 1st Round Chandler Jones Syracuse 6'5" 266 lbs 4.77 (40), 35" VJ, 120" BJ
2013 6th Round Michael Buchanan Illinois 6'5" 255 lbs 4.78 (40), 33" VJ, 113" BJ
2014 6th Round Zach Moore Concordia 6'5" 269 lbs 4.84 (40), 33.5" VJ, 123" BJ
2015 3rd Round Geneo Grissom Oklahoma 6'3" 262 lbs 4.82 (40), 37" VJ, 117" BJ
2015 4th Round Trey Flowers Arkansas 6'2" 266 lbs 4.93 (40), 36.5" VJ, 121" BJ
2017 3rd Round Derek Rivers Youngstown St. 6'4" 248 lbs 4.61 (40), 35" VJ, 123" BJ
2019 3rd Round Chase Winovich Michigan 6'3" 256" lbs 4.59 (40), 30.5" VJ, 116" BJ
2020 2nd Round Josh Uche Michigan 6'1" 245 lbs (No combine or pro day numbers)

Average Ht: 75"
Average Wt: 257 lbs
Average 40: 4.75
Average VJ: 34.5"
Average BJ: 119"

Early in the decade, the Pats preferred longer, beefier pass rushers. But, that changed to smaller, quicker edges by the end of the decade. How that translates to the Texans (who will begin playing a different defensive front) remains to be seen.
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Joe Tryon - 6'5'', 259 pounds. He's my new favorite at #67.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I really like LB- Charles Snowden, Virginia (6-6 @ 243 lbs). This guy is a former basketball prospect with good feet. What I really like.....his ability to cover TE’s early or downfield. He possesses coveted size and could be a great neutralizer against TE’s who routinely enjoy big days against this Texans defense.
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Still represents a solid pick and a position of need. Size and ability to cover would be a big help in RD5 or RD6.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Nick Caserio has been a frequent requested panel member at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference.

Here's his 2021 appearance there on a panel "Say Goodbye to the 40 Yard Dash: The Future of NFL Roster Building":

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If Caserio could drop the word “right” from his vocabulary then he might be palpable to listen to. First was Casserly with “ok” now this ****.

I don’t appreciate being talked at rather than to. That’s just a personal thing. He paints with a broad brush, not just analytics, but player development and football in general. Obviously Cal bought into his stick hook line and sinker, but not me. Players are smart. They either decide they can play for this guy or not. That will define his type.
 
beerlover said:
If Caserio could drop the word “right” from his vocabulary then he might be palpable to listen to. First was Casserly with “ok” now this ****.

I don’t appreciate being talked at rather than to. That’s just a personal thing. He paints with a broad brush, not just analytics, but player development and football in general. Obviously Cal bought into his stick hook line and sinker, but not me. Players are smart. They either decide they can play for this guy or not. That will define his type.
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That was an older video. If you have listened to any of his recent conferences/videos, he has had the word "right" entirely coached out of him.

One needs to be aware that the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference is a gathering of professionals [leading figures in sports analytics, business, research and technology]. ............and was never meant to talk at or talk to any particular outside individuals.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
That was an older video. If you have listened to any of his recent conferences/videos, he has had the word "right" entirely coached out of him.

One needs to be aware that the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference is a gathering of professionals [leading figures in sports analytics, business, research and technology]. ............and was never meant to talk at or talk to any particular outside individuals.
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So, Caserio was coached, “right”
 
beerlover said:
So, Caserio was coached, “right”
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He didn't realize how much he was relying on that verbal crutch, which is all it is. It had not been anywhere close to as prominent as it was in these recent instances. He's been a little wound-up since becoming a GM, maybe because he just stepped into a big pile of poo💩 here, but he'll settle in with a little time. He corrected it himself. A lot of people have a crutch -- you know, know what I mean, uhhh, ummm, like -- but most don't realize it until they record and listen to themselves.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He didn't realize how much he was relying on that verbal crutch, which is all it is. It had not been anywhere close to as prominent as it was in these recent instances. He's been a little wound-up since becoming a GM, maybe because he just stepped into a big pile of poo💩 here, but he'll settle in with a little time. He corrected it himself. A lot of people have a crutch -- you know, know what I mean, uhhh, ummm, like -- but most don't realize it until they record and listen to themselves.
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Mine was 'probably'. Irritated a lot of people. I still irritate a lot of people without using the word.
 
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