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Nick Caserio and Demeco Ryans should follow the Eagles’ blueprint!

OptimisticTexan said:
If I’m the Raiders, put a call into the Lions and find out what it would take to get QB- Hendon Hooker. I’m thinking the Raiders probably give up a RD3 pick with a conditional pick either this season or next.

Lions will need to get something for him now or risk watching him walk.
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If I'm the Raiders I draft Will Howard at 2-38. He's got talent and obviously already knows Kelly's offense.
 
steelbtexan said:
He's a very good blocker with reliable hands. Something this team has been missing from the TE position for years. This is probably all a moot point, I don't expect Caserio to trade for him.

Which TE in the draft do you like? The position definitely needs an upgrade.
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They just drafted Stover and Jordan got hurt again. Unless you're going to let Fannin Jr be a true Y flex, then I have to go with what they got. I don't view Mayer as a playmaker. Now if you want to trade for Pitts, I'm listening.Tyler Warren will be in striking distance if they want to move 5 spots or so. I mean Irv Smith was a 1st rd pick 5 yrs ago. Could he factore more into it?
 
ghostlight said:
Yes we have made very poor talent selections and the scheme was not a good fit. I’m vert disappointed in the success of our high OL picks however since Booker will be gone I’m all in on drafting the best OT that can play G or T. I don’t have Zabel in first round as G or T however I’ve read that he is a good fit at center. The combine is a couple wqeeks away and all the mocks will schuffle so use only a pencil at this time.
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We had 3 HC's in 3 years. You have to have some stability in the coaching staff before you can get scheme fit. DeMeco has been here 2 years and is now already on his second OC. We'll likely draft one IOLman high and maybe another OLman later. We'll have to see how our cap works out to see what we might do in free agency, but whatever, our 2025 coaching staff will mostly have to work with what players we already have signed. And we fans will just have to wait and see if they can get more out of them than we saw in 2024. But coaching staff stability is a must and I'm thinking 2026 is when this might begin to really round into shape.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's not just that, Caserio/Gaine drafted guys for different Schemes Scruggs/Patterson/Fisher for Slowik's scheme. Green for Lovie/Pep's scheme, Howard for BOB's scheme. Apparertly he didn't take into account injury histories when he listened to the HC/OC/OL coaches and drafted a bunch of guys with vast injury histories. Then he added Mason and extended both him and Howard. In short the OL is a mix of ZBS/Gap scheme are both dumb and lacking athletic athletic ability. Caserio took this mismatched cluster bleep group and made the situation worse by extending Howard/Mason.

Good news is with the JCU band being back together Caserio should have a clear vision of what Caley wants when it comes to the types of players the OL will require to become successful.
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This.
 
steelbtexan said:
This isn't true, HOF'er Alex Gibbs (RIP GOAT) OL's were very cohesive units.

It can be fixed in one off-season, they just have to hit on a couple of draft picks and a FA to fix it. I will agree with you, with Caserio's track record things dont look promising. But with the JCU guys on board and having the same visions of what the offense should look like, maybe things will be different when it comes to drafting OL down on Kirby.
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May. Sure hope so.
 
Lucky said:
There's no question that was the case. And the coaching staff bears some responsibility for asking guys to do more than they can.

At the same time, you want to expand the playbook. You want to a lineman to come off a double team and get to a LB. You want to pull a lineman to get in front of a sweep. You want a lineman to get out and lead on a screen pass. And if the linemen you have can't do these things, it may be time to replace them. If they can't block the pass rusher in front of them, you have to replace them.

Here's a post I made last year regarding drafting offensive linemen. I can make the same post this year and any other year after that and it would hold true.
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To me, some of the revelations that have come out since Slowick got fired scare the hell out of me.

They hired an OC and then drafted a QB 1.2 who had to be physically separated during the interview process!?

The worst thing you can do is spend a high pick on a QB that the coach isn’t all-in on.

Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely pick Stroud over Slowick and many of the other issues with his offense that were on show the last 2 years, but it shows very fuzzy thinking on the part of whoever made the hiring decision for the OC and whoever made the draft board decision on the QB. The 2 hires put together clearly weren’t going to work in unison.

They obviously get their second go around, so I can only hope they learned their lesson and got the right guy and are willing to trust in his decision making on what players he can work best with.

Let’s hope Caley can work well with Stroud (sounds like he’s up for building a scheme to his strengths) and that those who make the picks are all in on his judgement. Have to work in harmony to get the best results.
 
welsh texan said:
They hired an OC and then drafted a QB 1.2 who had to be physically separated during the interview process!?

The worst thing you can do is spend a high pick on a QB that the coach isn’t all-in on.

Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely pick Stroud over Slowick and many of the other issues with his offense that were on show the last 2 years, but it shows very fuzzy thinking on the part of whoever made the hiring decision for the OC and whoever made the draft board decision on the QB. The 2 hires put together clearly weren’t going to work in unison.
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I think that incident has been overrated regarding the dismissal of Slowik. Slowik and Stroud were fine in 2023. I remember specifically moments in the Falcons game and the Bengals game where Slowik and Stroud collaborated off script to make plays. It wasn't until 2024 when the Texans began to have issues with blitzes and stunts that there became a disconnect with the two. When Stroud kept getting hit and Slowik didn't/couldn't make the adjustments, everything fell apart. Without that, Stroud and Slowik would be best buds still.
 
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Lucky said:
I think that incident has been overrated regarding the dismissal of Slowik. Slowik and Stroud were fine in 2023. I remember specifically moments in the Falcons game and the Bengals game where Slowik and Stroud collaborated off script to make plays. It wasn't until 2024 when the Texans began to have issues with blitzes and stunts that there became a disconnect with the two. When Stroud kept getting hit and Slowik didn't/couldn't make the adjustments, everything fell apart. Without that, Stroud and Slowik would be best buds still.
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Yeah because in 2023 slowick allowed Stroud to be Stroud. That ended in 2024 when he tried to remake him into Slowik 's image of a quarterback
 
Texansballer74 said:
No it’s not. Badboy speaking facts. So many reports are out there and we’ve all seen the changes but you. Why
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They called the same plays as they did in 2023. Problem is Flores put a blueprint on how to stop the WCO, ZBS scheme and Slowik didn't have the counter answers. It didn't help that the few plays that were there to be made each game didn't get made.

Let me ask you this, if Caley isn't as successful as you think he should be, at what point should CJ start receiving so.e of the heat? I hope it never comes to this and Caley is a HC somewhere in 2026.
 
steelbtexan said:
They called the same plays as they did in 2023. Problem is Flores put a blueprint on how to stop the WCO, ZBS scheme and Slowik didn't have the counter answers. It didn't help that the few plays that were there to be made each game didn't get made.

Let me ask you this, if Caley isn't as successful as you think he should be, at what point should CJ start receiving so.e of the heat? I hope it never comes to this and Caley is a HC somewhere in 2026.
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No they did not. We did not see as many rub routes and etc. The entire offense regress because he went from what worked last season. He should’ve built that offense around CJ, just like Andy did with Mahomas. Baltimore did with Jackson and the Bills did with Allen.
 
badboy said:
Yeah because in 2023 slowick allowed Stroud to be Stroud. That ended in 2024 when he tried to remake him into Slowik 's image of a quarterback
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I agree with this. I remember in one of Slowik's 2024 offseason press conferences, Slowik was talking about how he was going to get time with CJ to rework "the fundamentals of his footwork" because he didn't have time to do that in year one. (CJ actually mentioned working on his footwork in a later interview.)

That statement actually stood out to me, because almost every positive review of CJ in his rookie year mentioned how advanced his footwork already was and how it led to his amazing accuracy. Why would you re-work something that was already a major strength? As I watched his accuracy decline throughout the season, I kept remembering the 'rework' comment. CJ already had natural timing in his rookie year... Stop throwing gravel at the gears.
 
cland said:
I agree with this. I remember in one of Slowik's 2024 offseason press conferences, Slowik was talking about how he was going to get time with CJ to rework "the fundamentals of his footwork" because he didn't have time to do that in year one. (CJ actually mentioned working on his footwork in a later interview.)

That statement actually stood out to me, because almost every positive review of CJ in his rookie year mentioned how advanced his footwork already was and how it led to his amazing accuracy. Why would you re-work something that was already a major strength? As I watched his accuracy decline throughout the season, I kept remembering the 'rework' comment. CJ already had natural timing in his rookie year... Stop throwing gravel at the gears.
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Start with an agenda:
1. Stroud is not football smart
2. His agent is racist
3. Agent reps Deshaun Watson =
Stroud has to be problem rather than Slowik. Wouldn't that make Ryans stupid and racist for firing Slowik rather than telling his QB, RB and Left tackle to shut up and adjust to the OC?
 
badboy said:
Start with an agenda:
1. Stroud is not football smart
2. His agent is racist
3. Agent reps Deshaun Watson =
Stroud has to be problem rather than Slowik. Wouldn't that make Ryans stupid and racist for firing Slowik rather than telling his QB, RB and Left tackle to shut up and adjust to the OC?
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what in the world was all that about? What???
 
badboy said:
Start with an agenda:
1. Stroud is not football smart
2. His agent is racist
3. Agent reps Deshaun Watson =
Stroud has to be problem rather than Slowik. Wouldn't that make Ryans stupid and racist for firing Slowik rather than telling his QB, RB and Left tackle to shut up and adjust to the OC?
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Could it be that Slowik/the OL and CJ shared responsibility for the offenses short comings? I said these same things about Derrick and got BB's response for 3 yrs.

I do think CJ has a chance to be successful, where I never thought Derrick would ever be a championship level QB. We're about to find out how much of the issues were on Slowik/the OL/CJ. My question is this, if CJ isn't successful with Caley (I hope he is and think there's better than a 50/50 chance that he will be) then when will some around these parts start to put some of the blame on CJ? (This will never happen for some IMHO.)
 
steelbtexan said:
Could it be that Slowik/the OL and CJ shared responsibility for the offenses short comings? I said these same things about Derrick and got BB's response for 3 yrs.

I do think CJ has a chance to be successful, where I never thought Derrick would ever be a championship level QB. We're about to find out how much of the issues were on Slowik/the OL/CJ. My question is this, if CJ isn't successful with Caley (I hope he is and think there's better than a 50/50 chance that he will be) then when will some around these parts start to put some of the blame on CJ? (This will never happen for some IMHO.)
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Heads I win….tails you lose.
 
steelbtexan said:
Could it be that Slowik/the OL and CJ shared responsibility for the offenses short comings? I said these same things about Derrick and got BB's response for 3 yrs.

I do think CJ has a chance to be successful, where I never thought Derrick would ever be a championship level QB. We're about to find out how much of the issues were on Slowik/the OL/CJ. My question is this, if CJ isn't successful with Caley (I hope he is and think there's better than a 50/50 chance that he will be) then when will some around these parts start to put some of the blame on CJ? (This will never happen for some IMHO.)
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I think most people have agreed that there should be responsability for the offensive failure. You have seemed to indicate it was all on Stroud and the offensive line. Well one of those 3 is gone and we will soon know if that was a good move or not.
 
badboy said:
I think most people have agreed that there should be responsability for the offensive failure. You have seemed to indicate it was all on Stroud and the offensive line. Well one of those 3 is gone and we will soon know if that was a good move or not.
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When have I said this?

I've said from the beginning that it was a shared failure. Not only from the 3 I listed, but also from Caserio not getting the right players and extending Howard, Mason etc and also Ryans shares responsibilities.

This is a case of either some not being willing to say CJ should share the blame or just thinking what they think about me without reading my posts. Personally I think it's a combination of these things.

BTW, I agree with you we will know soon enough, but you didn't answer my question, if things don't go well will fans start to lay responsiblity for the failure at CJ feet?
 
steelbtexan said:
When have I said this?

I've said from the beginning that it was a shared failure. Not only from the 3 I listed, but also from Caserio not getting the right players and extending Howard, Mason etc and also Ryans shares responsibilities.

This is a case of either some not being willing to say CJ should share the blame or just thinking what they think about me without reading my posts. Personally I think it's a combination of these things.

BTW, I agree with you we will know soon enough, but you didn't answer my question, if things don't go well will fans start to lay responsiblity for the failure at CJ feet?
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If evidence overwhelmingly supports that CJ is a failure, fans will lay the responsibility at his feet same as they did with Slowik. Whether some fans will agree with that of course we know some will latch on to their boy no matter what, coach or player.
 
badboy said:
If evidence overwhelmingly supports that CJ is a failure, fans will lay the responsibility at his feet same as they did with Slowik. Whether some fans will agree with that of course we know some will latch on to their boy no matter what, coach or player.
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Hopefully CJ either really improves greatly and becomes the top 5 QB that his talent suggests he can become, or he fails miserably. Being stuck in the middle is the worst place to be in.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hopefully CJ either really improves greatly and becomes the top 5 QB that his talent suggests he can become, or he fails miserably. Being stuck in the middle is the worst place to be in.
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If CJ is ranked number 6 quarterback for 2025 I would not consider that a failure.
 
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