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Texans Pride said:
I've read this a few times, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

Carr has said the same thing 3 year's straight.

take out Wade insert Flanagan.
take out Bruener insert Putzier. ( reverse on ends, something was wrong with Miller. Carr likes his blocking. )
take out one read quick pass system insert West Coast 4-5 hot system.
first system was too complicated, second system was too simple, third system was too short. Now the 4th system is back to some type of West Coast branch.

Now I haven't seen a whole lot of what Palmer was all about on paper, but supposedly his magic angle was using deep choice routes that required coordination between the WRs and the QB ( the WR makes the choice and the QB needs to understand what the WR is going to do ).

This failed because the line was injured and the WRs were too dumb. They couldn't keep themselves on the same page. ( amongst several other factors I imagine )

The new new new new system looks to be putting all of it back into the QB's hands. Meaning limited choice routes and back to the QB having to know where the open WR is without waiting on a key or a move by the WRer.

Cannot really say much about it yet, because all the staff has said is that they are going to do what they were doing in Denver in Houston. That doesn't mean anything... which brings me to the point of the reply.

Whatever Carr says, it doesn't mean a whole lot or inspire any confidence on its own. When you say this is looking better, we got a better system, we got some veterans, it's going to be a good year for 3 years straight and each one implodes on itself... it might take a little punch out of the statements.
( and yes 7-9 is a failure... not as dismal as 2-14, 4-12, and 5-11, but crapped out seasons with a highlight of winning two back to back games. 22 midgets in Brazil couldn't limbo underneath that bar )

The same for do your job and play well and the wins will fall into place.
or
It's not a must win, it's a must play well

It would wager you could serve the man up two rotten bananas, some spoiled milk, and four leftover eggs from last Easter and he is going to say, "It's going to be a good meal this season. So long as I just hold my fork straight. Keep my elbows off the table. And chew with my mouth closed."

High on optimism, low in realism, more cloud, less dirt; it's called dreaming.
 
infantrycak said:
No, it's called toeing the party line.

either way... empty entry in the log. Did he really buy into it or not? I bet he does... or he did. And that sets the trap for who's accountable and responsible for what Dave says, believes in, and does.

The party or Dave?
 
TwinSisters said:
either way... empty entry in the log. Did he really buy into it or not? I bet he does... or he did. And that sets the trap for who's accountable and responsible for what Dave says, believes in, and does.

The party or Dave?

From watching the discussions over the phone (Palmer) and on the sidelines (Pendry), I don't think Carr bought into it (especially over time), but that's JMO. IMO Carr's mentioning the lack of audible options was a break from the public party line and passive aggressive maneuver to get the system changed. He was also reported to have requested a meeting after the 2004 season, and then there was whatever discussions resulted in him calling the plays in the St. Louis and Arizona games.

This is one of those darned if you do, darned if you don't issues. Toe the party line and you are an unrealistic simpleton who can't see the flaws in the system, don't toe it and you are a lockerroom cancer whose bad attitude helps prevent the system from working.
 
NATHANHALE said:
...wow, so much for this year, and maybe the next couple of years, too--heck, by the time we solve these problems, is there a chance 'new' ones will pop-up? Darn, how come Vince Lombardi never had these problems? He expected his team to win every year?---just ain't fair...oh.welll
yes you are right, so much for this year because we are not going to the Super Bowl, sorry to tell you that. But I will still enjoy watching this team mature through all of the new additions to this team. It's just called reality.


infantrycak said:
That seems overstated IMO. Payne has emerged as a leader on the DL and Weaver comes across as one as well. If Cowart does man the middle he would provide vet leadership for the LB's. Dunta is clearly a leader in the secondary.
Payne voiced his opinion 1 time, that is far from a leader. A leader gets it done, and last year Payne didn't. Cowart could be a leader, but if he's not on the field, then sorry, he's not. Has he taken over the LB corps and put everyone under his wing? we'll see in training camp. Dunta has a very unsuccessful year last year and sure he can call out someone for poor play and yes he can be vocal, but again, he needs to get it done and rally the whole unit. I don't think he has that yet. Wong is the only one with leadership skills and he's suspect at this point. If Cowart, Payne and Dunta are our leaders, then we need help.

NATHANHALE said:
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Gloom, despair, and agony on me, WHOA.
Deep dark depression, excessive misery, WHOA!
OK I got your point from the previous knucklehead comment. From the looks of it this team is headed in the right direction, but It isn't gonna happen overnight. There is not doom and gloom about it, I see it as a gradual process, you seem to want instant gratification.....and that will only lead you to crash on this team harder. Set realistic goals for this team, we were 2-14 last year, you might enjoy this upcoming season better.
 
infantrycak said:
This is one of those darned if you do, darned if you don't issues. Toe the party line and you are an unrealistic simpleton who can't see the flaws in the system, don't toe it and you are a lockerroom cancer whose bad attitude helps prevent the system from working.

har har.. yealp yep yep - Al, Happy Days

There is no winning it, if you are losing it. Then of course if you are winning it, everyone is a freakin' genius. Belichick - genius. Weiss - genius. Crennel - genius. Brady - genius. Bruschi - the best LB. Dillon, Branch, Brown, Vrabel, Koppen, etc - genius, genius, genius, genius, and genius etc.

3-4? genius. Run, run, outs? pure genius.

or just swap out genius for clutch.

EDIT:
Also Ticket manager - genius

I am not kidding. One of their executives had a full page story on the USC Alumni site talking about the Patriots. Her task? Super Bowl ticket coordination or something like that. Had she worked for the Lions... she would've gotten regulated to page 6 and most likely with one line next her name. Something like "works in the NFL", but instead she is a genius and clutch.
 
TexanFan4Life said:
Hope some of you saw the NFL Live show today. Golic and his former Cowboy counterpart (Darren Woodson) dissed the Texans yet again. They were rating all the new coaches prospects for the upcoming season and point blank said, "The Texans won't do anything. They don't have enough talent." Not being a pollyanna, I do think they are totally misinformed. Somebody ought to tell them what a great offseason we had. Besides, the boys on NFL Radio on Sirius say we had a great offseason and could be a big suprise. Also, Trent Dilfer was on Sirius and said he was talking with David Carr and said DC was so excited and thought they would be much improved and that Kubes was so much different a coach than he had ever had. I, myself am looking for a 5 to 9 win season. Less is pathetic, more is a dream come true. Is it time for training camp yet?:mario:

I have had the NFL network for a few months now and because their coverage is so extensive and informative, when I watched NFL Live it looked like a bad joke. Of course those guys criticized the Texans because they probably haven't paid any attention to them since the draft. Whereas the NFL network has followed teams after the draft, OTA's etc.

Also, Sterling Sharpe was on the NFL Network and he said drafting Mario Williams was the right move.
 
trane said:
I have had the NFL network for a few months now and because their coverage is so extensive and informative, when I watched NFL Live it looked like a bad joke. Of course those guys criticized the Texans because they probably haven't paid any attention to them since the draft. Whereas the NFL network has followed teams after the draft, OTA's etc.

Also, Sterling Sharpe was on the NFL Network and he said drafting Mario Williams was the right move.

Well he should know that having a star DE is disruptive. He was probably asked to help double team a few in his career, which takes away from his chance to get receptions and yards.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Well he should know that having a star DE is disruptive. He was probably asked to help double team a few in his career, which takes away from his chance to get receptions and yards.

Are you thinking of Shannon Sharp? I'm not sure Sterling was blocking very many DEs. Unless I'm missing something.:twocents:
 
Sterling Sharpe was a WR, but he was on the same Packers team as the late Reggie White. Shannon, his pet horse, was a TE.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Ah yea, I always get those two mixed up.

Cool, I hear ya

They were both pretty darn good but I can't stand listening to Shannon on the pre-game show. I hope he's not coming back. That goes for Micheal Irving too.:brickwall
 
HOU-TEX said:
Cool, I hear ya

They were both pretty darn good but I can't stand listening to Shannon on the pre-game show. I hope he's not coming back. That goes for Micheal Irving too.:brickwall
Irvin is the worst. I sometimes even think the other guys want him off the show.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Irvin is the worst. I sometimes even think the other guys want him off the show.

That's true they probably do. Let's just hope that Deon doesn't come back after he retires again.
 
HOU-TEX said:
That's true they probably do. Let's just hope that Deon doesn't come back after he retires again.

I think it sucks for the guys who go to college for that position, and it gets taken by some guy who just got out of the league. That just sucks.
 
Shannon Sharpe is worse than Irvin, at least Irvin has some interesting things to say. Shannon just makes his stuff look interesting by talking very loud.
 
mexican_texan said:
Shannon Sharpe is worse than Irvin, at least Irvin has some interesting things to say. Shannon just makes his stuff look interesting by talking very loud.
... i like to laugh at them.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
... i like to laugh at them.

I guess that would be the best way approach it. We just think of it as pre-game comedy.:redtowel: I think it's about time for Bradshaw to hang it up too.:hunter:
 
TexansSeminole said:
I think it sucks for the guys who go to college for that position, and it gets taken by some guy who just got out of the league. That just sucks.

That has also had 15 concussions and talks with a crooked mouth. LOL
I agree with you, it's not like they haven't made enough money playing. I think they should have the fans decide who does the commentating/pregame.:redtowel:
 
Who cares what some ignorant redneck "tack" fan thinks, or some jagged kitty fan thinks, and who really cares what those east coast internet gurus think they think. All we have to take care of are the Texans right here, and right now. We will start doing that this year. Of course we beat Nashville and Jax (both twice in one year before) when we were coached by idiots, so what does that say about them. Ha ha ha!!!
 
SESupergenius said:
yes you are right, so much for this year because we are not going to the Super Bowl, sorry to tell you that. But I will still enjoy watching this team mature through all of the new additions to this team. It's just called reality.


Payne voiced his opinion 1 time, that is far from a leader. A leader gets it done, and last year Payne didn't. Cowart could be a leader, but if he's not on the field, then sorry, he's not. Has he taken over the LB corps and put everyone under his wing? we'll see in training camp. Dunta has a very unsuccessful year last year and sure he can call out someone for poor play and yes he can be vocal, but again, he needs to get it done and rally the whole unit. I don't think he has that yet. Wong is the only one with leadership skills and he's suspect at this point. If Cowart, Payne and Dunta are our leaders, then we need help.

OK I got your point from the previous knucklehead comment. From the looks of it this team is headed in the right direction, but It isn't gonna happen overnight. There is not doom and gloom about it, I see it as a gradual process, you seem to want instant gratification.....and that will only lead you to crash on this team harder. Set realistic goals for this team, we were 2-14 last year, you might enjoy this upcoming season better.

Sorry, you need to post the correct posters for their various posts--NATHANHALE did not make that last post, so who's the 'knucklehead' now?
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Texans will go 0-16 and we will go 16-0. Vince will have 2,000 rushing yards, LenDale will have 1,600 with 22 TDs.

Really? Wow!! What an insightful analysis!! You should be on ESPN Tack Fan!! You knowledge of the game overwhelms me!!! Keep Up the good work (this area intentionally left blank as the writer does not wish to be banned)...
 
HOU-TEX said:
I guess that would be the best way approach it. We just think of it as pre-game comedy.:redtowel: I think it's about time for Bradshaw to hang it up too.:hunter:
Imagine a show with Irvin, Bradshaw, Sharpe, and Deion. Quality tv.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
Imagine a show with Irvin, Bradshaw, Sharpe, and Deion. Quality tv.


Well, I think the CBS crew a couple years ago of Glanville, Marino, Deion, and Esiason pretty much tops any ridiculous combination one can imagine!
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, I think the CBS crew a couple years ago of Glanville, Marino, Deion, and Esiason pretty much tops any ridiculous combination one can imagine!

I'd rather listen to the radio.:shades:

You know one guy I do like, Howie Long. Even know I was born and raised here, I used to idolize that guy. He was smart, quick and very smart to boot. I also enjoyed watching Ray Childress play. I think these two made me decide to play DE throughout school.:superman:
 
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