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mussop

Hall of Fame
This is how our team is perceived now. Thanks OB and fat head McNair.



It's going to be difficult for any NFL team to strip the mantle of 2020 offseason losers from the Houston Texans. Rarely have I seen a trade as universally panned by the scouting community, the analytics community, the player community, and the coaching community the way the DeAndre Hopkins trade was.
That is a difficult task to pull off in and of itself, and when one considers it also include the Texans taking on one of the worst contracts in football in the process in David Johnson (don't get me wrong; it was a home run for the player and the agent, just not for the Cardinals front office that agreed to it), and it sets the bar pretty low. Throw in the Randall Cobb contract (just compare it to what Emmanuel Sanders got for instance, and the loss of DJ Reader, and the fact they still have to pay Deshaun Watson and Laremy Tunsil and, probably, Will Fuller, and this is a recipe for disaster. But hey, at least they still have Barkevious Mingo leftover from when they paid half of Jadaveon Clowney's contract to trade him to the Seahawks last year … except, well, Mingo is a pure journeyman and on the market again.
Still, they have a full complement of draft picks to fill the gaps … except, well, they drastically overpaid for Tunsil in the trade last year, too, so they are in win-now-or-bust mode. Yikes. Coach/GM/football czar Bill O'Brien is becoming a figure of great derision in Houston these days it seems -- be careful what you wish for in those power grabs – and it just might be that, even less than a week into the official start of the League Year, the Texans are going to run away and hide with this crown.
 

banned1976

American
It’s going to look even worse next offseason when we all see the draft picks the Texans gave away. Because unless some players have career years this season the Texans probably aren’t going to the playoffs in the 2020/2021. Or the rest of the AFC South is just as bad or runs into Colts bad luck like someone major retiring...like Luck.

Speaking of the AFC South, the Texans are still the only team in it that hasn’t been a participant in the AFC championship game. As bad as the Jaguars and Titans have been over the last 10 years, they’ve had some highly successful seasons. While the Texans have proudly waved those AFC South banners.

We’ve laughed at the Jaguars and Titans but so far the joke has actually been on us. We’ve just been lucky enough that for awhile the Texans front office did exceptionally well drafting in the first two rounds. The super stars and solid players taken in those rounds have somewhat sheltered us from league wide ridicule. Well...
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Check it out! Even the draftniks are getting into it LOL


57-Houston Texans: Jaylon Johnson, CB Utah
It’s a shame the Houston Texans cannot draft a GM because that is their biggest need
, but they also need help at cornerback. Jaylon Johnson should find significant playing time immediately.
 

Texazan

Our HOF 34
This is kinda where i'm at. Who gives a rip. I'm taking the same stance as i have with the Astros and the national media and baseball fans.
Yep, could care less what the national media thinks about any Houston sports team. This isn’t new for me either. I’ve not cared for decades. No use getting upset or excited about something the national media says or doesn’t say. Half the time they’re just parroting the popular narrative and can’t even get the facts right.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
We give a F because we want to see a winning product on the field. Getting rid of your best player in his prime knocks down those chances to win a Superbowl a freaking lot. It crazy how some butched and moaned about the talent in this team. But are fine with losing one of the best recievers in the freaking game for nothing in return.
 

Texazan

Our HOF 34
We give a F because we want to see a winning product on the field. Getting rid of your best player in his prime knocks down those chances to win a Superbowl a freaking lot. It crazy how some butched and moaned about the talent in this team. But are fine with losing one of the best recievers in the freaking game for nothing in return.
I’m not fine with it, hated it, I want BOB gone but I could still care less what the national media hacks think or the snipes they get in. F*ck them and the horse they rode in on.

BTW, they STILL aren’t going AFTER who they SHOULD and that’s Cal McNair!
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
I’m not fine with it, hated it, I want BOB gone but I could still care less what the national media hacks think or the snipes they get in. F*ck them and the horse they rode in on.

BTW, they STILL aren’t going AFTER who they SHOULD and that’s Cal McNair!
Understand and I agree. But man it is nice when them jokers are talking positive about our teams.


To be honest I blame them all. Mainly Cal because he's allowing Bill to much power over this team.
 

Texazan

Our HOF 34
Understand and I agree. But man it is nice when them jokers are talking positive about our teams.


To be honest I blame them all. Mainly Cal because he's allowing Bill to much power over this team.
The media pile on will continue, just as the idiots did with the sign stealing scandal. So much misinformation and straight out lies on that subject.

However if we REALLY think about this.....and yes we all have here....if you’re Bill ******* O Brien and after all this Cal hands you the KEYS to the castle whose FAULT is that?? BOBs? No, it’s Cal McNair, he's the systemic problem now, and guess what, after BOB is gone Cal will STILL be here so who knows what **** show we might get next.

Not that I really care or it can be saved but real journalism took a nose dive years ago. Social media, fake news and half ass research has ruined the profession. Since when did quoting “tweets“ amount to an article? Sorry, I need to get a drink.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
We give a F because we want to see a winning product on the field. Getting rid of your best player in his prime knocks down those chances to win a Superbowl a freaking lot. It crazy how some butched and moaned about the talent in this team. But are fine with losing one of the best recievers in the freaking game for nothing in return.
Lol, like beauty, this **** is all in the eye of the beholder. I didn't like the trade at all & i'm not "fine" with losing 1 of the greatest players the Texans franchise has ever had. But alot of these same national guys were around back in 90's and bashed the Oilers for 35-3............were the same ones who bashed the Texans for taking Mario over VY & RB..........bashed them for reaching for Tytus Howard.......& were "laughing" at us for 51-7 this past season. There's always going to be something...So why even give a rip about what they think?
 

CPTTexan

Waterboy
Lol, like beauty, this **** is all in the eye of the beholder. I didn't like the trade at all & i'm not "fine" with losing 1 of the greatest players the Texans franchise has ever had. But alot of these same national guys were around back in 90's and bashed the Oilers for 35-3............were the same ones who bashed the Texans for taking Mario over VY & RB..........bashed them for reaching for Tytus Howard.......& were "laughing" at us for 51-7 this past season. There's always going to be something...So why even give a rip about what they think?
So you're saying the media has been right about Houston football more than they've been wrong.....given your examples? The only one they should feel ignorant about is Mario over VY/RB. The rest are perfectly fine to rip us about. Howard is a crapshoot at this point since he was just drafted last year......however, when you go in talking about drafting your next LT and that's not what you get out of it, then it's fair game.

It's embarrassing that Houston football gives the media so much to laugh at. Yet, the owner doesn't learn a lesson and goes "all in" on giving mediocrity the keys to the city in O'Brien. Like others have said.....this is a Cal McNair/Janice McNair problem. Bill O'Brien has been given authority he hasn't earned or deserved, and he's showing the world that he doesn't know what to do with it properly......but, he was given free reign so that's mainly on the ownership. And they are clueless.
 
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Understand and I agree. But man it is nice when them jokers are talking positive about our teams.


To be honest I blame them all. Mainly Cal because he's allowing Bill to much power over this team.
I don't ever recall a time they have really talked positive about our teams. I will grant you I rarely watch the Astros and never the Rockets but for the Texans it doesn't matter what we are doing they have never given us credit. We slapped NE around and it was because Tom Brady wasn't a good QB any more, Watson pulls two amazing plays against the Bills and all anyone talks about is who will be Dallas new HC, we go on a 9 game undefeated streak and it gets ignored. This predates even OB and Watson and even the Texans themselves. Houston football teams have not gotten any respect from the national media ever since the Oilers blew up against the Bills.

Sad fact is we just don't have the hardcore fan bases and history that teams like the Browns, Steelers and GB have nor the winning records that teams like NE and Seattle have. I would actually be curious as to have big our fan base is compared to other NFL teams since we also split our fan base more than most cities what with Dallas being in state.
 

RGV82

Random guy
I don't ever recall a time they have really talked positive about our teams. I will grant you I rarely watch the Astros and never the Rockets but for the Texans it doesn't matter what we are doing they have never given us credit. We slapped NE around and it was because Tom Brady wasn't a good QB any more, Watson pulls two amazing plays against the Bills and all anyone talks about is who will be Dallas new HC, we go on a 9 game undefeated streak and it gets ignored. This predates even OB and Watson and even the Texans themselves. Houston football teams have not gotten any respect from the national media ever since the Oilers blew up against the Bills.

Sad fact is we just don't have the hardcore fan bases and history that teams like the Browns, Steelers and GB have nor the winning records that teams like NE and Seattle have. I would actually be curious as to have big our fan base is compared to other NFL teams since we also split our fan base more than most cities what with Dallas being in state.
Split is being very generous. Dallas has dominated the state of Texas fanbase for years. Not sure how accurate this map is, but its an interesting image of fandom broken down by state.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
So you're saying the media has been right about Houston football more than they've been wrong.....given your examples? The only one they should feel ignorant about is Mario over VY/RB. The rest are perfectly fine to rip us about. Howard is a crapshoot at this point since he was just drafted last year......however, when you go in talking about drafting your next LT and that's not what you get out of it, then it's fair game.

It's embarrassing that Houston football gives the media so much to laugh at. Yet, the owner doesn't learn a lesson and goes "all in" on giving mediocrity the keys to the city in O'Brien. Like others have said.....this is a Cal McNair/Janice McNair problem. Bill O'Brien has given authority he hasn't earned or deserved, and he's showing the world that he doesn't know what to do with it properly......but, he was given free reign so that's mainly on the ownership. And they are clueless.
Unless you're a perennial winner ala the Pats, they're going to be right more often than wrong with every team in the league. What they do is throw a bunch of **** on the wall and see what sticks. The only difference here with the Texans is the target they've had to throw things at over the last few years (BoB) has made himself a very easy target to hit..But their "opinions" still stems from talking heads putting out somewhat slanted narratives for the sake of getting the most clicks & views; Guys like you buy into it b/c it lines up with what you believe...even though most times you don't have all the info; In the case of Brian Gaine getting fired, you never get all the info. The Nuk trade is just the latest in that slanted B.S.

Easy for them & guys who believe what you believe to run with the story that Micheal Irvin told regarding the trade of Nuk b/c it was framed as the only "why". Well in the subsequent days since it has now been well chronicled by 3 reputable guys in Shefter, Breer & King that at the real heart of it for the Texans was that Nuk wanted to be paid more in line with Julio..a near 3-4 million raise a year....something that wasn't going to be feasible for the Texans given their upcoming contract situations with Tunsil and DW4. Has anyone here really taken that into account though? Nope..b/c it doesn't fit their narrative.

So you say, still they should've gotten more. Well again, lets look at ALL the info. Schefter put out that the Texans talked with the Eagles about trading Nuk. That team is about as thirsty for a WR as a team could get, let alone a 3 time pro bowler. & yet, it is reported that they ultimately decided that the price tag was too high to pay for what the Texans were asking for him & what they found out that Nuk wanted. Sure, we don't exactly know what the Texans asked for, but chances are if the Eagles thought it was too much, it's safe to say that a 1st was involved.
 

Hookem Horns

Administrator
Staff member
In most cases, the national media etc is just giving an unbiased opinion of what's really going on. They don't have fan blinders on.

Besides the Astros (who earned it), they don't have some bias against the city of Houston. BOB brought this all on himself and of course as already mentioned, Cal is the bigger problem because he's allowing it.

As a fan I would care, because it's a barometer for what is really going on.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
In most cases, the national media etc is just giving an unbiased opinion of what's really going on. They don't have fan blinders on.

Besides the Astros (who earned it), they don't have some bias against the city of Houston. BOB brought this all on himself and of course as already mentioned, Cal is the bigger problem because he's allowing it.

As a fan I would care, because it's a barometer for what is really going on.
Unbiased? I'll give you a few that give fair takes, but in this world of "hot takes" saying that the overall consensus of the national media commenting on this are unbiased........that's being a little generous. Most of these guys are little more than fans like us the only difference is they have platforms on TV to spew thier garbage.

I mean when Nick Wright was here he was clueless...now all of a sudden b/c he has a platform on TV, he's more credible? C'mon man.

As a fan you really shouldn't care b/c the same guys that will build you up are the ones that will tear you down...See the Astros.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Unbiased? I'll give you a few that give fair takes, but in this world of "hot takes" saying that the overall consensus of the national media commenting on this are unbiased........that's being a little generous. Most of these guys are little more than fans like us the only difference is they have platforms on TV to spew thier garbage.

I mean when Nick Wright was here he was clueless...now all of a sudden b/c he has a platform on TV, he's more credible? C'mon man.

As a fan you really shouldn't care b/c the same guys that will build you up are the ones that will tear you down...See the Astros.
Quoted for truth

As far as the Astros go, KISS the RING
 

Double Barrel

Moderator
Staff member
Contributor's Club
In most cases, the national media etc is just giving an unbiased opinion of what's really going on. They don't have fan blinders on.

Besides the Astros (who earned it), they don't have some bias against the city of Houston. BOB brought this all on himself and of course as already mentioned, Cal is the bigger problem because he's allowing it.

As a fan I would care, because it's a barometer for what is really going on.
Yep. Chaos is still a form of entertainment if you don't connect your own personal identity to your local sports teams.

Local media has a vested financial interest in keeping some of the facade intact. National media doesn't have that burden.

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Hookem Horns

Administrator
Staff member
Unbiased? I'll give you a few that give fair takes, but in this world of "hot takes" saying that the overall consensus of the national media commenting on this are unbiased........
Okay, so are ALL the media and fans outside of Houston wrong for having the opinion that BOB is not a good HC and horrible GM? Also, that the Hopkins trade was horrible?

Wait, I'll answer that. No, they are right on. That's my "hot take".
 
I tend to not really care per say what the talking heads think but at the same time I like listening to them because they do tend to have more information than the average fan if for no other reason than that they literally get paid to research and talk sports. Its also a matter of taking select bits of what they say. Irvin going on about what was said between OB and Hopkins I take with a grain of salt because that's as much for clicks and headlines as it is anything but talking about the trade and how little we got for what we gave up isn't click bait its simply facts.

In other words I listen to guys like Irvin and Stephen A. Smith for entertainment and on occasion a different take but its the guys that have cold hard numbers and comparison trades that I really pay attention to and all those things say this was a bad deal.
 


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