Name your top 7 worst QB's to ever win a Super Bowl.

[Double Barrel]

Brady's 1st SB MVP was kind of like VY going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he got the award, but come on, man. I'm not trying to talk down about Brady - the guy's an all time great and deservedly a first ballot HOFer. But his first year hinged on being a game manager, and he did it very well. His SB MVP was won on the strength of a 16-27, 145yd, 1 TD effort. And in the final drive, where he led the team down the field for their real MVP to win it, he completed I think one pass that wasn't a dump-off to a RB. Excuse me for not being overwhelmed by such a staggering performance by a QB.

Later on, he became a QB god. In that first season, he was learning on the job.

I do not disagree with your above points.

I just cannot agree with your previous point that Brady's first SB is akin to Big Ben's first.

Ben was 9 of 21 for 123 yards. He threw two interceptions. Hs 22.6 quarterback rating is the lowest for any SB winning QB in NFL history.

Basically, the Steelers won IN SPITE OF Big Ben.

Brady's first, on the other hand, while still in 'game manager' territory, Brady had a direct impact on winning the game. The next time I see a kicker march an offense down the field to set up his game winning kick will be the first time I see it happen.

And while I understand that dump passes to a HB is not overwhelming, you also have to understand that Brady was smart enough to take what the defense was giving up. He would have been completely stupid to try anything else with a defense that was covering deep and sideline routes. Madden was screaming that they should have sat on the tie and went into OT.

Instead, Belichick put the ball into his young, unproven QBs hands to march it down the field. Brady's intelligence was in making good decisions, not trying to be a hero to impress anyone. He was trying to win the game, not win the MVP.

And those passes are not as simple as you think. Ask Manning how easy they are when he's picked off and the defender has nobody near him to even try to stop him for a return TD. See, Manning is certainly elite, but even the best of the best can get burned on simple "game manager" plays when they are bad decisions.

Clutch is clutch, regardless if it is flashy or just business.

 

[Texecutioner]

Brady's 1st SB MVP was kind of like VY going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he got the award, but come on, man. I'm not trying to talk down about Brady - the guy's an all time great and deservedly a first ballot HOFer. But his first year hinged on being a game manager, and he did it very well. His SB MVP was won on the strength of a 16-27, 145yd, 1 TD effort. And in the final drive, where he led the team down the field for their real MVP to win it, he completed I think one pass that wasn't a dump-off to a RB. Excuse me for not being overwhelmed by such a staggering performance by a QB.

Later on, he became a QB god. In that first season, he was learning on the job.

You don't remember that season to well from what I'm reading from you. Brady went onto start basically as rookie, and that team wasn't expected to do anything. Bellicheck wasn't some well known commodity at all at that time. Brady didn't have squat to work with for weapons other than an old possession receiver in Troy Brown, David Givens, and David Patton. Givens and Patton never did squat anywhere else for the rest of their careers. You expected a 2nd year player who had no playing time to light the world up statistically?? Really? Rookie QB's struggled like crazy back then. Every rookie had horrible numbers for the most part. Brady was leading that team game after game with a poor running attack, but what made him great all season was the huge amount of receivers he would throw to every game. I remember that season and the post season all year how they would talk about Brady throwing to like 9 receivers in a game, 7 receivers in a game, 11 receivers in a game. Brady and Troy Brown were "money" on 3rd down that season. Brady didn't commit a lot of TO's either, which most rookies are notorious for. The Patriots had close games all year that season, and Brady was getting wins in the 4th quarters of those games just like a vet QB is supposed to.

I can't believe you put his name on this list. He went onto win 3 SB's out of the next 4 years all with inadequate weapons that would have been horrible on most offenses. Sure, there team was a lot more defensive minded back then, but no one in the league was constantly having different groups of receivers on their team year after year and still getting it done. Brady was considered elite by his 4th season when they went on to win 17 straight games after going 0-2 to start the season. Brady also led another clutch drive down the field to win his 2nd SB against a great defense, and had been clutch all year that year as well. He was already being compared to Montana in his 4th season winning his 2nd SB based on his clutch performances and cool persona at the end of games.

 

[eriadoc]

I do not disagree with your above points.

I just cannot agree with your previous point that Brady's first SB is akin to Big Ben's first.

I'm not really likening his first SB to Big Ben's - I was just likening the fact that they both went on to become very good to great QBs, but were not in their first season.

You expected a 2nd year player who had no playing time to light the world up statistically?? Really?

No, I didn't. As I said, I'm not bashing Brady. But let's be real - he was a game manager in his first season as a starter. You basically admitted it in your post. If people call Russell Wilson a game manager, then Brady's first year was the epitome of game manager. AND THAT'S OK. I'm just adding him to the list being discussed in this thread is all. On the strength of his career, he clearly doesn't belong on such a list. But in terms of teams winning the SB without a star QB, Year One Brady fits that bill.