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Most promising: Buccaneers, Titans, Jags...

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Not a trick question or anything, just wanted to get your opinions on the teams that picked 1, 2, & 3 last year. All three are picking in the top 10 again, the Titans have the #1 overall.

All three teams have young QBs, Bucs & Titans picking their guy with that 1 & 2 pick from 2015, the Jags using the 3rd pick the year before. All three have played quite a bit & show promise.

Other than that, what do you think? Which one (or ones) will not be picking in the top 10 for the 2017 draft?
 
Barring injury or off the field issues I think all 3 teams are set at QB. But I think the Bucs have the fewest holes and most likely to show the most improvement. They'll have a tough time knocking off the Panthers but they look like steady risers. The Jags should get defensive help from their injured first rounder and the Titans are far from ready especially if they get a new HC and Marriota has to learn a new offensive scheme.
 
The division is a wash for all 3 teams but i thinkk its the Bucs...easily. Best young qb of all 3 imo, a HC who's accomplished something in the league & just as much if not more young talent. If they get a few more pieces on the defensive side of the ball, they'll be pretty good.
 
Bucs would be the obvious answer, but they just fired Lovie Smith, so who knows. Still has the most talent

Titans and Jags could certainly improve on paper, since the AFC South is garbage when Andrew Luck is out.
 
Bucs would be the obvious answer, but they just fired Lovie Smith, so who knows. Still has the most talent

Titans and Jags could certainly improve on paper, since the AFC South is garbage when Andrew Luck is out.

My thinking was that the Titans were furthest behind, because they don't have a coach & are basically starting over. Now, the Bucs are in the same situation. Chances are, that new coach can be the kind of spark that really changes them. They could go 10-6 next season for all we know, like the Cardinals with Arians, or the 9ers with Harbaugh.

But I doubt that, so I'm going to say the Jags are ahead of them both.
 
I would have said the Bucs before Smith too. Right now the likely choice would be the Jags, who are being incredibly patient and sticking to their rebuilding plan and now have several building blocks in place. I respect that, even if they have still had too many misses at the draft.

I don't have a clue on the Titans. Until they hire a GM/Coach, the franchise is a trainwreck minus Mariota. It is easily, and I include Cleveland, the worst roster 1-53 in the NFL. They have had just dreadful 2nd round (and really everywhere) picks in particular, and the secondary, offensive line, RB, and LB all stink with no real answer (maybe Lewan/Orakpo) at any position, and no capable backup to plug an hole due to injury. It's a massive rebuild and will take 2-3 drafts by someone competent to fix.
 
Bucs would be the obvious answer, but they just fired Lovie Smith, so who knows. Still has the most talent

Titans and Jags could certainly improve on paper, since the AFC South is garbage when Andrew Luck is out.

I thought it was surprising. Winston was in his rookie year and shows real promise. Did the FO expect playoffs, did the key players express discontent with Lovie or maybe they feel they secured a better HC?
 
I thought it was surprising. Winston was in his rookie year and shows real promise. Did the FO expect playoffs, did the key players express discontent with Lovie or maybe they feel they secured a better HC?

Speculation is that they want to keep their OC, Dirk Koetter. They think other teams are going to be looking to pull him away.
 
I would have said the Bucs before Smith too. Right now the likely choice would be the Jags, who are being incredibly patient and sticking to their rebuilding plan and now have several building blocks in place. I respect that, even if they have still had too many misses at the draft.

I don't have a clue on the Titans. Until they hire a GM/Coach, the franchise is a trainwreck minus Mariota. It is easily, and I include Cleveland, the worst roster 1-53 in the NFL. They have had just dreadful 2nd round (and really everywhere) picks in particular, and the secondary, offensive line, RB, and LB all stink with no real answer (maybe Lewan/Orakpo) at any position, and no capable backup to plug an hole due to injury. It's a massive rebuild and will take 2-3 drafts by someone competent to fix.

The Jags would've been better off by firing Bradley.. He's not a very good coach at all.. His owner comes out and commits to him for another season before our game last week and look how his team responded.. there sure was a lot of quit all over that field last Sunday.

Go to the Jags message board and get a feel for what the locals think about Bradley.. it isn't pretty. Reminds me of Houston towards the end of the Capers era when Dom would just stand on the sidelines with that stupid slack jaw look on his face when he realized that even he had no answers and was over his head.

The Jags have some good young pieces on offense, but Bradley's expertise is supposed to be defense and they've been nothing, but a complete dumpster fire there during his tenure and it hasn't just been because of talent. I think by not firing Bradley they're going to be rolling into next season with a lame duck head coach.
 
I thought it was surprising. Winston was in his rookie year and shows real promise. Did the FO expect playoffs, did the key players express discontent with Lovie or maybe they feel they secured a better HC?

Lovie was responsible for landing Winston (by having the worst record last season), however he wasn't responsible for Winston showing promise this season. That was due to Dirk Koetter. The improvement in the offense is why they won 4 more games this season and again that falls on Koetter. Lovie's "expertise" is supposed to be defense and that side of the ball was only getting worse and cost the Bucs most of their losses this season, including the loss to the Texans. They made almost every QB (especially bad ones) look like Joe Montana this season. Wasn't Mallet's only win vs the Bucs? Also the team had no discipline, stupid penalty after stupid penalty especially on defense cost them dearly this season (that falls on Lovie).

I think the Glazers and GM Jason Licht saw that Koetter was the only real bright spot on the coaching staff. So the game plan is fire Lovie and keep Koetter as HC. I think it's the best plan in the long run however there is no guarantee that Koetter is going to take the job.
 
Lovie was responsible for landing Winston (by having the worst record last season), however he wasn't responsible for Winston showing promise this season. That was due to Dirk Koetter. The improvement in the offense is why they won 4 more games this season and again that falls on Koetter. Lovie's "expertise" is supposed to be defense and that side of the ball was only getting worse and cost the Bucs most of their losses this season, including the loss to the Texans. They made almost every QB (especially bad ones) look like Joe Montana this season. Wasn't Mallet's only win vs the Bucs? Also the team had no discipline, stupid penalty after stupid penalty especially on defense cost them dearly this season (that falls on Lovie).

I think the Glazers and GM Jason Licht saw that Koetter was the only real bright spot on the coaching staff. So the game plan is fire Lovie and keep Koetter as HC. I think it's the best plan in the long run however there is no guarantee that Koetter is going to take the job.

Why wouldn't they have fired Lovie during the season?

They also finished the season 10th in total defense. If you didn't know any better, it would appear they're moving in the right direction.
 
Why wouldn't they have fired Lovie during the season?

They also finished the season 10th in total defense. If you didn't know any better, it would appear they're moving in the right direction.

I don't think the Glazer's have ever fired anyone during the season. It's not their style.

That stat is deceiving when you consider they were in the high 20's with points against. They also led the league in penalties. Many of those were stupid penalties like kicking players in the head, etc. There was no discipline and ever week Lovie kept repeating how they were going to fix that and every game it was the same thing.

The bigger issue was how bad his defense was and it was not improving. They couldn't stop a slant pass all year long. That's all Mariota did on opening day, throw 5 to 10 yard slants that would go for big yards. Teams got film on that and kept doing it all season. It's how the Redskins came back when they were down big. The Panthers had a field day doing that also.

The other issue was the success of his defense relies on getting turn overs. Without turn overs they weren't stopping anyone. They often got burned going for turn overs instead of tackling or defending a pass.

Each presser Lovie would just that he's "very disappointed" (which became a joke here) and go on with how they are going to correct things and are moving in the right direction.

Another telling thing was what one of his former Bears scouts said about him this week.

I found this on JoeBucsFan.com

Gabriel talked about Lovie’s firing this week on CBS Sports Radio in Chicago. He called Lovie’s Bucs defense “terrible” and explained that Lovie simply would not adjust how much pressure he places on safeties, a scheme failure going on for a decade.

“A lot of people play a one-gap, attacking 4-3 defense. But he puts a lot of pressure on the defensive backs, especially the safeties. And you go back to when he came to Chicago and then follow it through to Tampa Bay. Now this is 10 or 11 years, he’s never found two safeties that can play. He is changing them year after year after year. We drafted him a safety literally every single year he was here,” Gabriel said.

Joe did the research and, in fact, the Bears drafted eight safeties — eight! — during Lovie’s tenure in Chicago.

“It makes it difficult, which means, you know, there’s something wrong with the scheme. [Former Bears director of pro personnel] Bobby Depual used to go into [former Bears general manager] Jerry Angelo’s office and say, ‘Jerry [Angelo], you gotta have two All-Pros back there, and they might not be good enough.’ Just because of how they were asked to play.”

Two of those eight safeties Lovie drafted are on the Bucs’ roster now, Chris Conte (2011, 3rd round) and Major Wright (2010, 3rd round).

Imagine the drool on Lovie’s face when he arrived in Tampa with two-time Pro Bowler Dashon Goldson and No. 7 overall pick Mark Barron on the Bucs’ roster — yet didn’t take long for Lovie to consider them trash.

Now, Goldson has become a shining star in Washington, and Barron was the NFL’s 15th-leading tackler this season as a Rams’ linebacker.

Gabriel also ripped Lovie for installing his son, Mikal Smith, as Bucs safeties coach. “You know, I like Lovie, but he had his son coaching the defensive backs. His son’s not a very good coach.”

Lovie's personnel decisions were also horrible as mentioned above as far as free agent selections, etc. The first thing he did when he got here was sign Josh McCown, name him the starter before even looking at Mike Glennon. Glennon is way better than McCown, was only in his second season, etc. Why would you go with a mid 30s never has been QB over young promising QB who was coming off a solid rookie season? (BTW, if the Texans had Glennon they would have been at least an 11 win team and would have been in that game yesterday). I would love to see him land in Houston if the Texans can't draft a franchise potential QB.

The drafts since Lovie got here have been solid however almost all of the picks were on the offensive side of the ball and the GM was mostly responsible for that. I think the Bucs have a solid GM and a good foundation. Lovie was not the guy however for them to move forward.
 
My guess is the Buccs and Titans will be drafting in the top ten again. But Cleveland will "win" the 1-1 pick.
 
Jags: on paper man they look like a killer good young team on both sides of the ball and there CAP is great they do need to re work they do need to re work there o line tho and there Dline needs more star power

TAMPA- like jags looks good on paper but there DEF just does not have IT it looks good on paper but paper don't mean **** on sunday I think Winston did pretty good rookie year and hes got a pretty goodbackup 2 in GLeenon

TItans--- Well there a HOT MESS !!! LOL
 
Jags have drafted top 10 the past 5 years or so......pitiful. People keep saying they will take the next step but they never come close. Who would have thought Jack Del Rio and David Garrard were the glory days?
 
Our defense seems to OWN Blake Bortles and Jaguars twice a year so it doesn't matter to me how much "monster stats" he puts up against the other teams he plays. We can beat him and that's all that matters to me.

I'm yet to see Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston was so and so when we beat Tampa Bay. Of the three teams I think the Titans scare me the most just because I'm yet to see what they really have when all of their top picks are on the field playing and they managed to snag the #1 overall pick which could improve them even more.

To me this is all about mystery. We already know what Blake Bortles has, which isn't much (INT machine, sack puppet), when we play the Jaguars twice a year. Jameis Winston is decent but I wasn't impressed.

I need to see the Texans play Marcus Mariota before I can really define my answer. I only base my opinions on how the Texans play against them. That's all I care about.
 
Jags have drafted top 10 the past 5 years or so......pitiful. People keep saying they will take the next step but they never come close. Who would have thought Jack Del Rio and David Garrard were the glory days?
True that. Great post!!!!

The Titans, on the other hand, have the #1 overall pick and a talented young quarterback in place. We have to see if they keep blowing top picks, year after year, like the Jaguars have done.

I'm not saying that Blake Bortles is bad. He's quite good when he doesn't play against the Texans. But the bottom line is the Jaguars still suck as a team despite all of those top 10 picks.

Tampa Bay has sucked for a while and are turning into the Jaguars.
At least with the Titans they have an excuse with key players being injured.
 
Same here. It seems the Titans are an organization in complete disarray right now. Probably the new F.O. trying to find it's way, I don't know.

It's a coin flip between the other two, IMO. Both showed promise at times this year.
Didn't Marcus Mariota and the Titans spank Jameis Winston and Tampa Bay on the road early in the season? He also lit it up in a home win against the Jaguars. He combined for 7 TD passes and 1 INT in those two games. The Titans scored 42 points in both games.

I wish the Texans had played Mariota but he was out both games when we played them. If he had played well against us I'd have said with 100 % certainty the Titans are in better shape than the Jaguars and Buccaneers. As it is I'm only 50 % certain the Titans future is better than both those teams.

It's a toss up really but Marcus Mariota had some bright moments this year and a couple of those big games and wins came against the Jaguars and Buccaneers so it's hard for me to overlook that.

And plus the Titans have the #1 overall pick, 1st pick in every round, to improve even more. Scary! They scare me more moving forward as a Texans fan than the Jaguars and Colts do. I hope Marcus Mariota takes it easy on us when we face him for the first time.
 
yeah it was kinda crazy how this year Marcus rookie season he didn't play the Texans and also Luck didn't play the Texans this year

But hopefully the Texans can continue to dominate the AFC south going forward because we went 5-1 this year and we beat our divison and it felt good
 
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