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Morency vs. Henson

Kaiser Toro said:
A terrific trade by Cass and I still believe that Morency will take over the starting RB position halfway thorugh the season by earning it, not through injury.

I have not seen any practices this year and still have concerns of him adjusting to the ZA scheme but just feel that our biggest surprise this year will be the emergence of Morency.
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Wow, someone's going out on a limb...do you think he will pass up DD or DD will get injured? The only way I see him getting the job is if DD gets hurt and even then I think Lundy and him will battle it out.
 
TexanFan881 said:
In retrospect, Moats is the younger and more effective back, but Morency is still good. He is 26 already in his second year because he played some baseball for the minor league Colorado Rockies (I think). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Moats>Morency>Henson

We got a great deal out of the Henson trade still. When you trade an unproven 6th round pick with no playing time for a 3rd round pick you always will win.
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Agreed, considering what Henson has done, we made out like bandits. However, count the number of pro bowlers on Philly's line then count . . . well, i wont go there or even say it , but i beleive that the ZBS in Houston will be the neutralizer give Morency the chance to prove he is the better back.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Wow, someone's going out on a limb...do you think he will pass up DD or DD will get injured? The only way I see him getting the job is if DD gets hurt and even then I think Lundy and him will battle it out.
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You are right and I am pretty conservative when it comes to predicitions, but I just see a scenario where he gets a couple of opportunities early and makes good on them. It gets to a point where he is to explosive not to be playing first and second downs and bring in Davis as the thrid down option for in-between yardage where we could go run or pass.

No science or empirical research, just a feeling.
 
LORK 88 said:
Agreed, considering what Henson has done, we made out like bandits. However, count the number of pro bowlers on Philly's line then count . . . well, i wont go there or even say it , but i beleive that the ZBS in Houston will be the neutralizer give Morency the chance to prove he is the better back.
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The problem is that so far Morency isn't adjusting too well to the new ZBS. It's not like we had a bad run blocking line either last year and our pass blocking line really makes our OL game as a whole look horrible, but it's not, and it won't be a problem this year, that's for sure. If anything I think switching to the ZBS hurts Morency rather than using last year's system.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
You are right and I am pretty conservative when it comes to predicitions, but I just see a scenario where he gets a couple of opportunities early and makes good on them. It gets to a point where he is to explosive not to be playing first and second downs and bring in Davis as the thrid down option for in-between yardage where we could go run or pass.

No science or empirical research, just a feeling.
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That would be nice :thumbup Than we can use DD for what we originally drafted him for, I just think that DD is a pretty darn good back and that it will be hard for Morency to challenge him.
 
hollywood_texan said:
I just don't understand this idea of drafting a player for trade bait.

If the Henson deal was a success, then you must factor in the failures to deem if drafting players for trade bait even works. I think Ragone would be a good example. Maybe they were thinking he would be solid backup? How many times did Casserly draft for trade bait and it didn't work? Besides, Morency seems like an okay RB, but time will tell if it was a success.

If someone has some stats on this or someone that was very successful at this trade bait philosohpy, please let me know. I just don't see how you build a successful team focusing a good portion of your time finding talent that you eventually want to trade. Casserly seemed to talk about this concept a lot and was very proud of the Henson deal

This is why I think Casserly was not successful. He seemed more concerned about the paper aspect of the game than the W column.
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Ragone was not drafted for the reason you mention. The only time Casserly ever drafted for "trade bait" was the Henson deal. It was a one shot deal that was worth the risk. I don't think GMs go into a draft thinking about this. I think there were no players that just jumped out at the time, so they took a gamble. It worked out.

So, just how do you quantify that Casserly spent most of his time "finding talent that you eventually want to trade?"
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Your right, it was a great trade Vinny, but it was a horrible selection. Morency had no ceiling and still doesn't have one. He is a career 3rd stringer at best. But maybe I'm just against him :confused:
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Sorry, I can't disagree more with this assessment. Apparently I am one of the few that believes that Morency has "it". He's young, rookie-like still, but considering the complete collapse of ALL players last season, this does not come as a surprise. He showed more heart than most players on this team last season, more speed than DD could ever dream for, so, if they fix the traction on his shoes (so all that energy is used in a forward motion) I expect great things from Morency.
 
I know it was late in the draft but did we pick up henson 7th round or undrafted? either way i guess, you see a quarter laying down on the ground , you pick it up ...far as morency and TJ, i say 3 years is the allowable curve, before that you could be cutting your own throat, but sometimes that 3rd year starts having cap implications so unfortunately some guys dont get the full 3 years only 2, then they get the axe before they cost the team more money.sometimes I hate the business side of Football, but I do enjoy watching it.
 
TexanFan80 said:
drew henson was one helluva athlete should have stuck with baseball could have been with the yankees right now
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He wasn't that great. He couldn't hit his body weight or a curveball. He just couldn't keep his weight back and hit the curve.
 
Malloy said:
Sorry, I can't disagree more with this assessment. Apparently I am one of the few that believes that Morency has "it". He's young, rookie-like still, but considering the complete collapse of ALL players last season, this does not come as a surprise. He showed more heart than most players on this team last season, more speed than DD could ever dream for, so, if they fix the traction on his shoes (so all that energy is used in a forward motion) I expect great things from Morency.
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Your entitled to your opinion. He's not that young, 26 when drafted (for reference, Mario is 21), yes he's still rookie like. He showed heart by waving a football in a defenders face on an 11 yard run? His speed is almost identical to DD, in fact, if you compare times, its very very close. DD is just bigger and more willing to hit the hole.
 
On the other hand, we may have gotten a good deal out of that one (IMO), but since that time, Dallas has gone from being one of the lesser-capable teams to a championship contender (I think TO will be a big determining factor in that one). Unfortunately, the Texans are still in the losing-season sinkhole. Hopefully, though, our biggest upgrade this year, coaching, should fix that.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Your entitled to your opinion. He's not that young, 26 when drafted (for reference, Mario is 21), yes he's still rookie like. He showed heart by waving a football in a defenders face on an 11 yard run? His speed is almost identical to DD, in fact, if you compare times, its very very close. DD is just bigger and more willing to hit the hole.
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I'd say Morency is faster, but I STILL don't like the pick in the least bit. I don't understand the logic in drafting a ROOKIE who is OLDER than the current starter.
There were a number of players on the board who were younger and were in positions of need(Nicholson, Everett, Perkins...not to mention better RBs like Barber, Fason and Jacobs). The Morency pick and TJ pick solidified my hatred for that draft and thoughts that it was the worst draft in franchise history.
 
TexanFan80 said:
alright so a person that could go pro in two different sports isnt one of helluva athlete then tell me what is?
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Just because he could go play in two sports doesn't make him a great athlete. It just means he's more of a diverse athlete, that he can play more than just one sport. Just because he's decent in baseball and decent in football doesn't make him amazing.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Just because he could go play in two sports doesn't make him a great athlete. It just means he's more of a diverse athlete, that he can play more than just one sport. Just because he's decent in baseball and decent in football doesn't make him amazing.
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It makes him decent to the power of 2.
 
TexanFan80 said:
so playing professional baseball player for the new york yankees makes u decent and playing profesional in football for the dallas cowboys makes u decent hmmm
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that makes you a good athlete but I don't see how playing baseball makes you a better football player...why does it matter that he played baseball he doesn't anymore, it's not like he's deion sanders or something...he can play two sports...all players that are in the NFL are good athletes.
 
TexanFan80 said:
alright so a person that could go pro in two different sports isnt one of helluva athlete then tell me what is?
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no, athletes who stretch themselves too thin often end up failing at everything. He's faild one, and is on his way to his next.
 
I have no idea why some people are bashing Morency. He did a great job especially for a rookie and especially considering what a bad year the rest of the team was having.
 
From the main site.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2627&section=N Latest News

With only three running backs in action Wednesday, rookies Chris Taylor and Damien Rhodes saw plenty of action in the Texans' backfield along with veteran Antowain Smith. Rookie Wali Lundy was sidelined with a minor injury. Taylor and Rhodes have shown some explosion early on and Kubiak has been pleased with their progress over the past few weeks.


Why isn't Morency mentioned? Did we release him?
 
I thought we used that pick from Dallas to pick up, Gulp, Tony Hollings in the sup draft? I am getting old and my memory is not as good as it use to be, so please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I need some boiled okra to refresh it...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I thought we used that pick from Dallas to pick up, Gulp, Tony Hollings in the sup draft? I am getting old and my memory is not as good as it use to be, so please correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I need some boiled okra to refresh it...
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We used a pick we got from Oakland to get Hollings. Unfortunately they went from playing in the SB to 2nd pick in the draft in one year.
 
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