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Mike Mayock on 2015 NFL Draft
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Quarterback
1. Jameis Winston, Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon
3. Bryce Petty, Baylor
4. Brett Hundley, UCLA
5. Garrett Grayson, Colorado State This guy SUCKS! Get him outside the pocket he makes Schaub look like Brady.
Running back
1. Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
2. Todd Gurley, Georgia
3. Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska
4. Duke Johnson, Miami (Fla.) Finally someone sees him as I do. I like him more than Abdulla.
5. Tevin Coleman, Indiana
Wide receiver
1. Kevin White, West Virginia
2. Amari Cooper, Alabama
3. DeVante Parker, Louisville
4. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
5. Devin Funchess, Michigan
Tight end
1. Maxx Williams, Minnesota
2. Clive Walford, Miami (Fla.)
3. Nick O'Leary, Florida State
4. Tyler Kroft, Rutgers
5. Ben Koyack, Notre Dame
Interior offensive linemen
1. Brandon Scherff, Iowa
2. Cameron Erving, Florida State
3. Laken Tomlinson, Duke
4. A.J. Cann, South Carolina Most over rated interior OL I have seen this year.
5. Tre' Jackson, Florida State
Offensive tackle
1. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
2. Andrus Peat, Stanford bet anyone he moves him down after he watches more of his game tape.
3. La'el Collins, LSU
4. Ereck Flowers, Miami (Fla.)
5t. Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M
5t. D.J. Humphries, Florida
Interior defensive linemen
1. Leonard Williams, USC
2. Danny Shelton, Washington
3. Malcom Brown, Texas
4. Arik Armstead, Oregon
5t. Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
5t. Eddie Goldman, Florida State
Edge rusher
1. Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida
2. Randy Gregory, Nebraska
3. Shane Ray, Missouri
4. Vic Beasley, Clemson Keep seeing Beasley on peoples 3/4 OLB list. No way this guy can hold the edge in the NFL.
5. Bud Dupree, Kentucky
Linebacker
1. Paul Dawson, TCU
2. Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Most over rated LB.
I want one of these three real bad.
3. Denzel Perryman, Miami (Fla.)
4. Eric Kendricks, UCLA
5. Stephone Anthony, Clemson
Cornerback
1. Trae Waynes, Michigan State
2. Marcus Peters, Washington
3. Jalen Collins, LSU
4. P.J. Williams, Florida State
5. Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest
Safety
1. Landon Collins, Alabama
2. Shaq Thompson, Washington When did he become a safety??????
3. Derron Smith, Fresno State
4. Jaquiski Tartt, Samford
5. Ibraheim Campbell, Northwestern
I don't see S either. He's listed at 6-2 231. That may be gracious of course, but if he's even approaching that it ain't like he's going to get any smaller passing the age of 20 while going into a pro strength & conditioning program.
I know a lot of people don't like him fit-wise for our D, but I think a DC worth his salt, as I believe RAC is, can appreciate finding ways to take advantage of a player like Shaq's considerable talents. His athleticism, aggression, instincts, and motor should be able to find a home as an anti-LEO backer here in covering TE's, chasing ball carriers sideline to sideline, and finding the right timing to cut loose and run downhill against the LOS. I wouldn't be bummed to hear his name at 16.
I know a lot of people don't like him fit-wise for our D, but I think a DC worth his salt, as I believe RAC is, can appreciate finding ways to take advantage of a player like Shaq's considerable talents. His athleticism, aggression, instincts, and motor should be able to find a home as an anti-LEO backer here in covering TE's, chasing ball carriers sideline to sideline, and finding the right timing to cut loose and run downhill against the LOS. I wouldn't be bummed to hear his name at 16.
It would be nice to have a LB/S that can cover a TE. I believe Thompson is a stud and a playmaker like that you can put him in positions to succeed. I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the pick at 16.
1.Grayson is accurate. Looks like Schaub coming out of college.
2. Love Duke Johnson- Speed, tough runner, blocker, can catch the ball, if there in the 3rd he would be a great pick, Warrick Dunn
3. Agreed about Cann.
4. Peat isn't a finished product. He is strong and has great feet. Need to improve technique and concentration. Would love to see what Devlin could do with this talented ball of clay. Love him at 16.
5. Collins is my favorite OL in this class. Big tough mean streak with good enough feet to play either OT position. If moved to OG he will become a pro bowl type player. Sam Martin.
6. Fowler is a player.
7. Beasley reminds me of Mathis/Aldon Smith the way he can bend and run the arc. Spends too much time on the ground in the run game.
7. Love Paul Dawson, best LB in this draft. No problem picking him at 16. Playmaker
8. McKinney- Agreed. Think he could make an impact as a rush OLB.
9. Love Jalen Collins, he could start and be a very good CB as a rookie. Future all pro as a FS.
10. PJ Williams is going to be the best CB when all is said and done. Guy has all of the tools.
11. Like Landon Collins but wouldn't pick him before the 2nd rd.
12. Why wasn't Prewitt listed? I like him as much or more than Collins. If Prewitt falls to the Texans in the 3rd then he would be my pick. Rick Smith should run the card to the podium himself.
bah007
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I don't have too much to quibble with. No two people will have the same exact list.
I do think that Prewitt is still being overlooked. He is the best S in the draft to me. None of the national draftniks are high on him, and he seems to be dropping like a rock now that all the games are over. Something tells me that NFL scouts won't rate him that way.
Thompson was recruited to Washington as a S but he won't be playing there in the NFL. He has outgrown that position. I think his best fit is as a 43 WLB. And he would absolutely kill it on a Cover Two defense. Derrick Brooks potential in that kind of system.
I think people are going to absolutely freak out when Tevin Coleman and Jay Ajayi end up as the best pro RBs in this class.
I do think that Prewitt is still being overlooked. He is the best S in the draft to me. None of the national draftniks are high on him, and he seems to be dropping like a rock now that all the games are over. Something tells me that NFL scouts won't rate him that way.
Thompson was recruited to Washington as a S but he won't be playing there in the NFL. He has outgrown that position. I think his best fit is as a 43 WLB. And he would absolutely kill it on a Cover Two defense. Derrick Brooks potential in that kind of system.
I think people are going to absolutely freak out when Tevin Coleman and Jay Ajayi end up as the best pro RBs in this class.
WolverineFan
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I prefer Thompson at LB but I could see a team trying him out as a Kam Chancellor type box Safety. He's very athletic and he's a great player in space.
You could use him like the Cardinals used Deone Bucannon as a rookie last year (i.e. box Safety on run downs and LB on pass downs).
I'm also still not getting the gap between Collins and Prewitt on most analysts lists. Don't get me wrong, Collins is great at what he does, but he's a downhill Safety who struggles in coverage. Prewitt is adept at coming downhill and also has great range playing downfield. I don't understand why he's so under the radar.
You could use him like the Cardinals used Deone Bucannon as a rookie last year (i.e. box Safety on run downs and LB on pass downs).
I'm also still not getting the gap between Collins and Prewitt on most analysts lists. Don't get me wrong, Collins is great at what he does, but he's a downhill Safety who struggles in coverage. Prewitt is adept at coming downhill and also has great range playing downfield. I don't understand why he's so under the radar.
Relatively strong. I don't see a lot of blue chippers (like 2011), but there is a lot of depth at many positions through the middle rounds. It's a good draft to have a lot of picks (and I think the Texans will have as many as 4 compensatory selections).
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Although this yrs draft while deep isn't as good or deep as last yrs draft. IMHO
They can find yr 1 contributors if they do the work in the 3rd/4th rds.
Hopefully BOB/Gaine are running this yrs draft. If so, the Texans will be in good shape. They are both grinders.
Good stuff because it goes to confirm the notion of e of the imporatance of the 40 if only for a couple position groups, and one of them being the CBs, which is as most agree the most challenging and difficult position to play in the NFL second only to QB. And why does it confirm that ? Because Mayoc is one of the best analysts of college talent headed for the pros and his highest area of expertise is probably found in the are of the DBACKS.
TexansSeminole
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Good to see that I am not alone having Fowler as my #1 OLB.
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Mayock Conference Call Transcript: https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.co...outing-combine-conference-call-transcript.pdf
And Audio: http://nflcommunications.com/2015/0...ing-combine-conference-call-transcript-audio/
And Audio: http://nflcommunications.com/2015/0...ing-combine-conference-call-transcript-audio/
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Mayock was not so generous in his praise of Danielle Hunter, whom he said should have stayed in school another season, an assertion made by other analysts. Hunter, who is 6-6 and 240, led the Tigers with 13 tackles for loss but had only 1.5 sacks. NFL teams look for pass rushing from defensive ends and Mayock said Hunter has a long way to go.
Marshall
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I'm getting the vibe that Tevin will be a stud. I am just hoping we are in a position to grab him with an extra pick. In reality, getting a second for moving down from 16 to 17 or 18 isn't likely. But it works on the games. If you have two or three players of approximately equal weight and you can pick up a mid second to move down, you do it in a heartbeat.
I agree with Mayock on these things.
I love the upside of Pitt OT T.J. Clemmings, but he's raw after playing offense for only two years.
Draft is extremely deep at running back and wide receiver, not a strong quarterback or safety class
Texas DT Malcom Brown is a first-rounder "all day long."
La'El Collins is the best RT prospect in the 2015 NFL Draft.
Denzel Perryman reminds me a little bit of Jon Beason -- undersized but a guy who makes plays.
I'm high on Ereck Flowers; that tape against Nebraska and Florida State really popped.
Washington DT Danny Shelton is a top 10 pick to me. Reminds me of Haloti Ngata.
Pitt OL T.J. Clemmings should get the call in the 15-25 range of the first round.
Devin Smith can track deep ball like center fielder and that's rare. When you combine with speed, big weapon.
Concerns about Vic Beasley is that he is under-powered, says Mayock.
I've pretty much been saying all that for awhile now.
I pretty much disagree with "Right now he's underpowered. He gets pushed around in the run game".
and this is ridiculous.
"He's no better than a fourth-round pick right now."
I love the upside of Pitt OT T.J. Clemmings, but he's raw after playing offense for only two years.
Draft is extremely deep at running back and wide receiver, not a strong quarterback or safety class
Texas DT Malcom Brown is a first-rounder "all day long."
La'El Collins is the best RT prospect in the 2015 NFL Draft.
Denzel Perryman reminds me a little bit of Jon Beason -- undersized but a guy who makes plays.
I'm high on Ereck Flowers; that tape against Nebraska and Florida State really popped.
Washington DT Danny Shelton is a top 10 pick to me. Reminds me of Haloti Ngata.
Pitt OL T.J. Clemmings should get the call in the 15-25 range of the first round.
Devin Smith can track deep ball like center fielder and that's rare. When you combine with speed, big weapon.
Concerns about Vic Beasley is that he is under-powered, says Mayock.
I've pretty much been saying all that for awhile now.
I pretty much disagree with "Right now he's underpowered. He gets pushed around in the run game".
and this is ridiculous.
"He's no better than a fourth-round pick right now."
I think we will trade down for additional picks. Doubt if we will be going after the big names...
Better have more than a couple guys rated equally to move down, then you have to find a dance partner
bah007
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I love Mayock as an analyst. He obviously has a mind for the game and notices the little things that most people miss while watching.
But as a talent evaluator he does nothing for me. He's different, he doesn't work for ESPN, and he uses a lot of buzz words ("bubble butt", "twitchy"). I'm assuming that is why people like him.
I still like him. And I enjoy listening to him talk. But I'd take anything he says in an evaluation with a grain of salt. JMO.
But as a talent evaluator he does nothing for me. He's different, he doesn't work for ESPN, and he uses a lot of buzz words ("bubble butt", "twitchy"). I'm assuming that is why people like him.
I still like him. And I enjoy listening to him talk. But I'd take anything he says in an evaluation with a grain of salt. JMO.
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I haven't heard word one from Mayock at the Combine...
Watched it all online with mostly Bucky, Solomon, and Lance Zierlein commentary...
I'll tell you, LZ ups NFL Combine's game 1,000%. Talks technical football terms... explains it if needed... imparts a lot of info in a short take... backs his opinions up...
Best part was him interviewing his dad Larry on OLine traits. Great stuff.
But yeah, you give Mike 7 hours to fill and he's going to say a few things that come off as kooky.
That was good. But, the best part of the combine on NFL.com was Molly Qerim.
badboy
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before or after she stopped giggling? Sorry just could not let that go.I would give her the best 30 seconds of her life!
PapaL
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You mean Gregory right? I was asking the same question after getting halfway through the list.
What did Beasley do? I haven't heard anything about him being stupid
badboy
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Thought Gregory and typed Beasley; guess who's stoopid now?
infantrycak
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He explained it. The more he watches film he can't come up with good reasons for Winston's INTs. And he can see Mariota is actually making reads contrary to cursory descriptions of their O.
bah007
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Hate to toot my own horn here but I've been saying the same thing for months, before the season was even over.
Winston is an impulsive decision maker with the ball. That's a problem that I don't think can be fixed. And it's the main reason that I wouldn't draft him. I'm not saying that he won't be productive in the NFL, but he is going to be an INT machine too. That's not ideal to me.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Andrew Luck is an INT machine too. Just sayin'.
Not like Winston. Luck threw 22 INTs in 1064 attempts at Stanford. Winston had 28 picked off in 851 attempts. What's more concerning is that he nearly doubled his interception rate as a sophomore from his freshman year. Just sayin'.
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Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I'm talking at the pro level. College stats mean little to me. The competition is just not there in college like it is in the pros. The best of the best and all.
bah007
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Then it should be even more of a concern when a guy is throwing INTs at the rate that Winston does, especially when his team is the one with the competitive advantage.
This isn't Matt Ryan throwing loads of INTs because he's forcing things and trying to drag a team with little NFL talent to a 10 win season, which is a comparison I've actually heard.
Winston's team has more NFL talent than probably any team in the country. And they certainly have more than the teams that they play against. Stats don't mean everything, but they can be a useful tool. It is a huge red flag when you are in that kind of superior situation to your opponents and still can't take care of the ball.
Agreed. I'm glad it's not us with a top five pick, even though I like Winston, I'd be on the fence about us taking him that high. I'd like to see a guy start at least three years before taking him that high.
Expectations change, after winning a championship as a freshman... or the Heisman, or whatever. Being able to play at a high level when you're expected to, when teams are "game planning" for you... it's totally different. Especially with the spot light that would have been on him.
Those "facts" didn't work too well in McCarron's favor.
bah007
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McCarron actually had the opposite problem.
His issue wasn't that he didn't take care of the ball, because he was actually great at that. He was a master of Alabama's offense and operated it to perfection.
His issue was that there were a few times his team needed to lean on him to make plays because the offense as designed wasn't having the desired success, and he couldn't deliver. That is what led to the thought that without the built in talent advantage he wouldn't be able to deliver wins when the other team was just as talented as his.
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Mike Mayock's 2015 NFL Draft position rankings 4.0
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...e-mayocks-2015-nfl-draft-position-rankings-40
1. Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida
2. Randy Gregory, Nebraska
3. Vic Beasley, Clemson
4. Bud Dupree, Kentucky
5. Shane Ray, Missouri
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Surprises me that Mayock still has Gregory ranked that high (no pun intended) given his problem with flunking the pot test ? I mean didn't he take Winston down a notch because of off-field issues ?
2. Randy Gregory, Nebraska
3. Vic Beasley, Clemson
4. Bud Dupree, Kentucky
5. Shane Ray, Missouri
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Surprises me that Mayock still has Gregory ranked that high (no pun intended) given his problem with flunking the pot test ? I mean didn't he take Winston down a notch because of off-field issues ?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I will be so happy when we can get passed this whole Pot thing. (It's happening right now) Alcohol is by far a more destructive substance not only mentally, but physically, but they don't test them for booze do they? What these people do on their free time is none of my business, nor anyone else'. If they show up, fulfill their contractual obligations, there should be no infringement of their right to a private life. They are playing sports for phucs sake, not running for the POTUS. Even more ironic is many of our former POTUS have all partaken, but they were not denied the highest office in the land. But let a 20 something athlete smoke a joint, and the whole world is coming unglued.
Spare me any arguments about legality. If you have any idea of the history of cannabis and why it is illegal you won't bother. Let's just say it's not for the betterment of humanity. Anyone who still believes in the "Reefer Mania" propaganda is a stooge. This "Schedule 1" cannabis fairy tale has gone on long enough.
Spare me any arguments about legality. If you have any idea of the history of cannabis and why it is illegal you won't bother. Let's just say it's not for the betterment of humanity. Anyone who still believes in the "Reefer Mania" propaganda is a stooge. This "Schedule 1" cannabis fairy tale has gone on long enough.
The Pencil Neck
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If someone comes to the biggest job interview of their life either drunk or having smoked pot within a time-frame where the evidence is still in their blood-stream, this is a problem. The problem is that they drank or that they smoked put but when they drank and/or when they smoked pot. It shows a lack of discipline, a lack of willpower, and a lack of judgment.
Considering the amounts of money these kids will be getting and the sort of lifestyle that will present itself to them, this is a huge red flag.
I don't care if someone smokes pot. I don't care if someone drinks. But I do care if they have such poor judgment that their smoking and drinking may negatively impact their ability to stay on the field for my team for whatever reason.