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Mel Kiper/Todd McShay 2015 Mock Drafts

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1. Jameis Winston Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2-14)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB
Analysis: The bottom line is Winston is the most advanced on-field quarterback in the draft, and while the Buccaneers have a nice set of weapons for an emerging quarterback to utilize there's little evidence they have a future franchise quarterback on the current roster. Questions about Winston's maturity and off-field decision-making are more than fair and could have him written off some draft boards if he can't convince teams he can be a franchise leader. But on the field you get a big, durable, mobile, strong-armed talent with a high football IQ and an ability to read, anticipate and process at a very high level what defenses are trying to do. I would not draft with him with the goal of starting him in Week 1 -- his 2014 season proved there's work to be done -- but if Winston realizes his potential, he's a possible superstar.

2. Marcus Mariota Tennessee Titans (2-14)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
Analysis: The Titans have said all the right things about Zach Mettenberger, but based on what we saw from him in 2014, there are considerable questions about his NFL ceiling. Offensive fit and the ability to adapt are big questions around Mariota, but he's an elite talent and has the chance to be special if a team is patient with him. Mariota has a great work ethic, exceptional athletic tools, enough arm to drive the ball down the field and on intermediate throws and he did improve in his ability to get through progressions, anticipate and deliver with good placement this season. The question is whether he can look as special outside the confines of the Oregon offense. If Tennessee doesn't like either of the top two quarterbacks, this is a pretty obvious trade-up position.

3. Leonard Williams Jacksonville Jaguars (3-13)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE
Analysis: If you drop need and go on "best player available"...

4. Amari Cooper Oakland Raiders (3-13)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR
Analysis: I can see the Raiders also targeting...

5. Randy Gregory Washington Redskins (4-12)COLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE
Analysis: Gregory is the type of pass-rushing talent that can...

6. Shane Ray New York Jets (4-12)COLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE
Analysis: The Jets could go in another...

7. Landon Collins Chicago Bears (5-11)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S
Analysis: Safety play has been, without exaggerating, a borderline disaster for the Bears, extending beyond this season. Collins does a lot of his best work near the line of scrimmage, but he can certainly be effective playing off the line as a guy who anticipates well, makes good reads and takes proper angles. He comes in with a lot of experience, and for a defense that was such a mess, I like taking a player who offers a lot of versatility and won't need to come off the field much. I know cornerback is a need even after they used a first-round pick there last year, but I'm not sold on the value this high, and, given Chicago's litany of needs on D, they should go for the best player who can help them soon. Collins fits.

8. Dante Fowler Jr. Atlanta Falcons (6-10)COLLEGE: FloridaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 271POS: DE
Analysis: A known commodity since he arrived on campus...

9. Brandon Scherff New York Giants (6-10)COLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT
Analysis: While he's a left tackle at Iowa, I think Scherff...

10. T J Clemmings St. Louis Rams (6-10)COLLEGE: PittsburghClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 313POS: OT
Analysis: The Rams made more strides on defense this year after adding Aaron Donald as a clear "best player available" pick in the 2014 NFL draft, and the defense benefited greatly. But while their No. 2 overall pick, Greg Robinson, goes into 2015 as the starter at left tackle after looking better there for the most part over the last five weeks this season, the O-line still graded out poorly for me overall, and the Rams need to bring in more talent. Clemmings is a player who has come a long way since converting from defense, but he has arguably as high a ceiling as any tackle in this class and won't need to start his career at left tackle. Quarterback questions persist, but there's no fix to be found here after the top two guys are off the board. More help up front is needed.

11. Devante Parker Minnesota Vikings (7-9)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR
Analysis: Teddy Bridgewater showed he can be the long-term answer at quarterback if his development continues, and while there are also questions along the offensive line, Parker is a tantalizing talent at this point, as I think some teams will have him graded as the best receiver in this draft class once they've wrapped up evaluations. This is A.J. Green lite, and heâ??s not that lite. Parker doesn't just have the leaping ability and length to go up and get it and beat even longer defensive backs at the catch point, he can create space with his short-area explosiveness underneath. Teddy needs another weapon. Here he is.

12. Danny Shelton Cleveland Browns (7-9)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-1WT: 332POS: DT
Analysis: In Mike Pettine's system, you really can use powerful bodies up front who can hold blocks but also create some movement and occasionally penetrate, and the massive Shelton is a nice fit for a team that struggled to consistently stop the run. The Browns really missed an injured Phil Taylor, and Shelton comes in ready to play and give them more depth at a position in which every team could use it. This guy didn't just cause way more backfield havoc than his size would indicate is possible, but he has incredible awareness in the run game and actually led the Huskies in tackles for most of the season, which is pretty incredible for a guy at that position.

13. Vic Beasley New Orleans Saints (7-9)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 220POS: DE
Analysis: A year after they made great strides on defense, the Saints took a...

14. Shaq Thompson Miami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 224POS: OLB
Analysis: The great thing about Thompson is he's not just a...

15. Kevin White San Francisco 49ers (8-8)COLLEGE: West VirginiaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 211POS: WR
Analysis: The question marks at wide receiver persist for the 49ers, and Michael Crabtree could be signed somewhere else by the time the draft arrives. If the 49ers want to further aid Colin Kaepernick's development, they need to find another target, ideally a matchup threat and a guy who can win at the catch point and outmuscle defenders for contested catches. White had a monster year at West Virginia and has made himself more explosive in space as he's added strength. He can make plays down the field and give the 49ers the athlete they desperately need if Crabtree isn't around, and Anquan Boldin is arguably the best wide receiver they have.

16. Trae Waynes Houston Texans (9-7)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 182POS: CB
Analysis: The Texans did a relatively good job defending the pass this year, but that started up front. They benefit so much from what J.J. Watt does to opposing QBs that it conceals the fact they could use help at cornerback. Waynes will grade out as the best cover corner in the draft for many teams, and he also offers something pretty much everybody covets at the position, which is length. Waynes is also a good zone defender, and while he's lean, he is above average in run support. He has good ball skills and really does a good job of tracking the ball. He's a player who can help turn what should be a really good defensive line's pressure into more turnovers.


17. Arik Armstead San Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-7WT: 285POS: DE
Analysis: While he's listed at defensive end, the long and strong Armstead is probably better described as "freakish defensive lineman." He has impressive quickness for a player who stands about 6-foot-8 and carries a lean 290 pounds, and the power is obvious, too, because when he plays with leverage and gets under the pads of blockers, he can simply take them backward. Armstead was at one time a potential star on the basketball court as well and still has plenty of raw elements to his game, but guys who are this big and this athletic can become really special with coaching.

18. Dorial Green-Beckham Kansas City Chiefs (9-7)COLLEGE: OklahomaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 225POS: WR
Analysis: We all know about the Chiefs' singular lack of ability to generate...

19. Ereck Flowers Cleveland Browns (7-9)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: JrHT: 6-6WT: 325POS: OT
Analysis: I can obviously see the Browns looking at a pass-catcher here given the issues they faced in 2014, when Josh Gordon was off the field (and when he was on it, for that matter), but I also think they know that if they can build a dominant offensive line and make Terrance West and Isaiah Crowell arguably the league's best two-headed running back attack, they'll be able to help stabilize the passing game and allow any QB to succeed. Flowers offers insurance for Joe Thomas and Mitchell Schwartz, and also at guard in a year after the injury to Alex Mack (and subsequent shuffling up front) was quietly devastating if you look at Cleveland's ability to run the ball. Anybody who assumes an O-line or D-line is in great shape without considering depth should watch what happen to the Browns when Mack went down.

20. Marcus Peters Philadelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 193POS: CB
Analysis: I wouldn't say the Eagles were a total mess at cornerback last season, but Brandon Boykin was arguably the best performer for them, though that was in a little more than 500 snaps. They really need to add talent at the position, and, in that regard, Peters is arguably the best cornerback in the entire draft. He's strong, can press, has outstanding awareness and has big-time ball skills. His footwork can be sloppy, but that's a symptom of a guy with the talent to make up for it. Peters has question marks when it comes to coachability, as he was dismissed from the team at Washington. The draft process will tell us whether that's construed as "competitive" or "hard to deal with," but thereâ??s no question the kid can play.

21. Bud Dupree Cincinnati Bengals (10-5-1)COLLEGE: KentuckyClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 268POS: OLB
Analysis: The Bengals had only the appearance of a rotation at defensive end...

22. Kevin Johnson Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5)COLLEGE: Wake ForestClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 175POS: CB
Analysis: The Steelers are long in the tooth at cornerback...

23Malcom BrownDetroit Lions (11-5)COLLEGE: TexasClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 317POS: DT
Analysis: Yes, there is some speculation that Detroit could franchise...

24. Melvin Gordon Arizona Cardinals (11-5)COLLEGE: WisconsinClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 207POS: RB
Analysis: There have been exactly zero running backs selected in the first round over the past two drafts...

25. Andrus PeatCarolina Panthers (7-8-1)COLLEGE: StanfordClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT
Analysis: It's not really overstating it to say the Panthers' pass protection was absolute garbage...

26. Devin Funchess Baltimore Ravens (10-6)COLLEGE: MichiganClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: WR
Analysis: It's not really fair to call Funchess a tight end based on where he typically lines up, but at more than...

27. Jordan Phillips Dallas Cowboys (12-4)COLLEGE: OklahomaClass: SophHT: 6-5WT: 334POS: DT
Analysis: The Dallas defensive line held up reasonably well this season with merely OK talent, but a lot of that had to do with how much the efficient offense was able to keep it off the field and fresh. The unit isn't going to simply get better unless it adds more talent. Phillips is still pretty raw, but he's got tremendous upside. At 6-foot-6, when you see him run you can barely fathom that he's carrying more than 330 pounds. Put a kid like this under the tutelage of Rod Marinelli and you could end up with something truly special. Dallas needs to prioritize defense in this draft after getting the offense where it needs to be, and Phillips is a reasonable upside play.

28. Benardrick McKinney Denver Broncos (12-4)COLLEGE: Mississippi StateClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 243POS: ILB
Analysis: I thought Denver was pretty thin at linebacker coming into the 2014 season...

29. Jaelen Strong Indianapolis Colts (11-5)COLLEGE: Arizona StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 212POS: WR
Analysis: The Colts have some good young targets in the passing game with T.Y. Hilton and Donte Moncrief as well as the emerging Coby Fleener, but those players have also had consistency issues, and in the case of the receivers, neither can dominate with size alone. Reggie Wayne's future is uncertain, and Hakeem Nicks was more flash than regular substance this season. If Indy really wants to maximize Andrew Luck, I think they should consider a guy such as Strong if he's on the board at this point. This is a big-time matchup threat, arguably the best player in college football in 2014 if you grade on the combination of size and dominant ability at the catch point. The defensive line and offensive line could each use help, but both have made strides and Strong is a steal this far down the board.

30. Eddie Goldman Green Bay Packers (12-4)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: DT
Analysis: While I think Goldman's potential still outpaces the tape, he has plenty of it and could be a versatile help for the defensive line on a team that has struggled defending the run in particular. Where Goldman can be special is as a gap eater who also flashes pretty impressive quickness. In other words, he's the guy who doesn't always stand out on tape because he's not getting into the backfield, though players around him probably are. If Goldman was a little more disruptive and able to penetrate a bit more, it would be hard to see him fall past No. 20. If he reaches his potential, he could be a steal here, not to mention a great fit.

31. Sammie Coates New England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: AuburnClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 200POS: WR
Analysis: Arguably the best athlete in all of college football, Coates isn't huge at...

32. Devin Smith Seattle Seahawks (12-4)COLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 199POS: WR
Analysis: I was between two players here -- Smith and cornerback Jalen Collins of LSU. The injury to...
 
Not a fan of Waynes. I just don't see a difference maker out of him. Not in terms of explosiveness or aggressiveness. He plays a good game of generally keeping things in front of him, but I don't know if that warrants the 16th pick.

Using his mock I'd hope for Parker, Shelton, or Thompson to slide, or I'd cherry pick either McKinney or Peat.
 
Heck yeah! This is who I'm 100% behind. Now that Kiper has agreed with me though, I am not sure if I like this stance as much anymore, lol.

I won't waiver though, this is my guy, I think Kiper might actually get this one right. Hopefully Rick Smith is listening.
 
I like Waynes, but I'm not sure he'll ever be anything more than a #2 Corner. That's useful, but I'm not sure it's what you're hoping to get out of the #16 pick in the draft.

The benefit to the pick is that he is pro ready and could come in and play #2 day one if we lose either Joseph or Jackson.
 
These two yahoos are just dumb. They always are wrong, minus the first pick and just want to make that "prove em wrong" selection. The fact that someone like DGB going in the first just blows my mind. How does one get a job like this, paid a nice living to constantly be wrong. Ive seen more hits on here than this
 
McShay 2.0
1Jameis WinstonTampa Bay Buccaneers (2-14)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB
Analysis: The Bucs don't currently have a franchise quarterback on their roster, and while both of the top two QB prospects in this year's class carry with them significant risks (along with considerable talent and upside), it could be tough for them to pass on both. If you factor in only on-field performance, Winston should be the No. 1 choice. He beats opponents from the pocket with very good accuracy, arm strength and anticipation, and his on-field intangibles and leadership are positives as well. The concerns with Winston obviously have to do with his off-field behavior, and any team that drafts him is going to have to trust him enough from a character and psychological standpoint to make him the face of its franchise. That's a big risk, but NFL teams know that they can't win consistently without good quarterback play. And the Bucs could decide that Marcus Mariota's need to transition from Oregon's up-tempo spread offense to the NFL represents an even greater risk -- albeit in a very different way.

2Leonard WilliamsTennessee Titans (2-14)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE
Analysis: Williams is the complete package -- he can two-gap as a run-stuffer, but he can also penetrate and make plays against both the pass and the run. He'd make Jurrell Casey even better by drawing more double-teams and allowing Casey to do what he does best: use quickness to establish positioning, and disrupt. Having two studs in Williams and Casey on the defensive front would provide a boost for a team that ranked 31st in the league in rushing yards per game allowed last season. The Titans have a huge need at QB and would have to consider Marcus Mariota here, but he's a risk despite his big-time upside because of his lack of experience at consistently throwing with anticipation and accuracy from the pocket at Oregon.

3Randy GregoryJacksonville Jaguars (3-13)COLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE

4Amari CooperOakland Raiders (3-13)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR

5Shane RayWashington Redskins (4-12)COLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE

6Marcus MariotaNew York Jets (4-12)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
Analysis: Mariota could slide even further than this on draft day, but I think this pick makes sense for the Jets given their need at QB and the presence of Chan Gailey at offensive coordinator. Gailey can adapt his scheme to any QB and has a history with spread-formation offenses, so he's capable of providing Mariota with a smooth transition to the NFL from his up-tempo spread system at Oregon. Mariota has rare athleticism for the QB position (including prototypical size) and outstanding intangibles, but his one area of concern -- consistently being able to win from the pocket -- is the most important trait you need to succeed at the NFL level. So how a team caters its approach to him and develops him as an accurate passer from the pocket will be critical.

7Danny SheltonChicago Bears (5-11)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 332POS: DT

8Arik ArmsteadAtlanta Falcons (6-10)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-7WT: 285POS: DE
Analysis: The Falcons need to improve on defense, especially with their pass rush. D-linemen Kroy Biermann and Osi Umenyiora are both free agents. Armstead was a 5-technique defensive end at Oregon and could play a similar role in the NFL, but he's also explosive enough to be a great fit as a left defensive end in new Atlanta head coach Dan Quinn's scheme -- similar to the role that Michael Bennett played for Quinn with the Seahawks. I've really liked what I've seen from Armstead's tape; he's an excellent run defender who has a lot of upside as a pass-rusher because of his violent hands and ability to convert speed to power.

9Brandon ScherffNew York Giants (6-10)COLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT

10Kevin WhiteSt. Louis Rams (6-10)COLLEGE: West VirginiaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 211POS: WR

11Devante ParkerMinnesota Vikings (7-9)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR

12T.J. ClemmingsCleveland Browns (7-9)COLLEGE: PittsburghClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 313POS: OT

13Dante Fowler Jr.New Orleans Saints (7-9)COLLEGE: FloridaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 271POS: DE
Analysis: The Saints could consider Stanford left tackle Andrus Peat here and then move Terron Armstead inside, or they could fill their need at cornerback by drafting either of the top two prospects at the position, Washington's Marcus Peters or Michigan State's Trae Waynes. But Fowler has the versatility and relentlessness that Rob Ryan is looking for. He isn't an elite athlete but has good flexibility, violent hands and efficient counter moves as a pass-rusher, and he has experience playing multiple spots among the D-line, as well as outside linebacker in a 3-4 alignment.

14Trae WaynesMiami Dolphins (8-8)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 182POS: CB
Analysis: Two of Miami's top needs are inside linebacker and wide receiver, but it's too early to take an ILB here and all three of the WRs worth drafting at No. 14 overall are already off the board in this scenario. Cornerback is another need area, and while Marcus Peters has better tape, he brings with him some baggage after being kicked off of the Washington team last season. The Dolphins aren't in the business of taking chances on character risks right now, so Waynes might make more sense. He's a playmaker with very good ball skills and has the length and athleticism to hold up as a cover corner, and he shows good recognition skills and can help in run support. His biggest weakness is technique, but that's coachable.

15Devin SmithSan Francisco 49ers (8-8)COLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 199POS: WR
Analysis: This is early for Smith -- he's our No. 26 overall player -- but the Niners need a receiver who can stretch the field vertically and nobody in college football did that better during the second half of the season than Smith (especially when big-armed Cardale Jones was throwing him the ball). He has excellent speed, subtle moves as a deep route runner that allow him to create separation, and his body control when tracking the deep ball is outstanding. San Francisco could also look to address its O-line or defensive front in the first round.

16Andrus PeatHouston Texans (9-7)COLLEGE: StanfordClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT
Analysis: The Texans need a quarterback, but aren't going to find one here. Pass catchers Devin Funchess (Michigan) or Jaelen Strong (Arizona State) would be options, although both are slight reaches this early. So I'll have them take Peat, who fills a need and is a steal at this point in the draft. The more I watch him on tape, the more I appreciate how quick his feet are. He's also tall, has long arms and good awareness, and possesses good power as a blocker. He needs to improve his consistency as a finisher, but he's young and should continue to get better.

17Eddie GoldmanSan Diego Chargers (9-7)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: DT
Analysis: Sean Lissemore isn't working out at nose tackle for the Chargers, and 2014 fifth-rounder Ryan Carrethers played in only six games. Goldman would not only provide an immediate upgrade at nose, but he's versatile enough to play defensive end in a 3-4 scheme as well. Goldman's specialty is stopping the run, with excellent strength and size (6-3, 314 pounds).

18Dorial Green-BeckhamKansas City Chiefs (9-7)COLLEGE: OklahomaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 225POS: WR

19Devin FunchessCleveland Browns (7-9)COLLEGE: MichiganClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: WR

20Landon CollinsPhiladelphia Eagles (10-6)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S
Analysis: The question everyone will ask is whether Chip Kelly will be willing to trade up to draft his former QB at Oregon, Marcus Mariota, particularly if Mariota starts to slide down the board a little bit. I know from talking with Kelly previously that he thinks the world of Mariota, but I have no idea how much he's willing to give up in order to go get him. If the Eagles stay put, Collins would be a good value pick here. He's the No. 15 overall prospect on our board, has good range in coverage and is a playmaker when the ball is in the air. But where he excels most is in run support, which is a good fit in the NFC East, especially versus the Cowboys. Moreover, SS Nate Allen is a free agent. Other options include Washington CB Marcus Peters and OLB Vic Beasley.

21Vic BeasleyCincinnati Bengals (10-5-1)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 220POS: DE

22Marcus PetersPittsburgh Steelers (11-5)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 193POS: CB

23Malcom BrownDetroit Lions (11-5)COLLEGE: TexasClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 317POS: DT
Analysis: The Lions could go with a cornerback or offensive tackle here, but defensive tackle is a position of need even if Ndamukong Suh does return in 2015 (C.J. Mosley, Andre Fluellen and Nick Fairley are all free agents), and it's a gaping hole if he goes somewhere else in free agency. Brown is a versatile D-lineman who has experience playing NT, DT and DE in a 4-3 defense, and NT and 5-technique in a 3-4. He's strong versus the run and showed more as a pass-rusher during his final season in Austin under head coach Charlie Strong.

24Denzel PerrymanArizona Cardinals (11-5)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: SrHT: 5-11WT: 248POS: ILB
Analysis: This might be a little early to take an inside linebacker in some people's minds, but there aren't many better football players than Perryman left on the board, and the Cardinals are likely to address the position early. Perryman has strong recognition skills, he's stout and savvy at the point of attack and he hits like a truck. A lot of other evaluators like Mississippi State's Benardrick McKinney more because of his freakish size-speed combo, but I'll take the better football player in Perryman. Other positions Arizona could look to address this offseason: pass-rusher, D-line, QB depth and RB depth.

25Ereck FlowersCarolina Panthers (7-8-1)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: JrHT: 6-6WT: 325POS: OT

26Jalen CollinsBaltimore Ravens (10-6)COLLEGE: LSUHT: 6-0WT: 193POS: CB

27Melvin GordonDallas Cowboys (12-4)COLLEGE: WisconsinClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 207POS: RB

28La'El CollinsDenver Broncos (12-4)COLLEGE: LSUClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 324POS: OT

29Eli HaroldIndianapolis Colts (11-5)COLLEGE: VirginiaClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 235POS: OLB
Analysis: Admittedly, this is a bit early for Harold to come off the board. We have a second-round grade on him, but he is a good fit for the Colts' defense as a 3-4 outside linebacker and he offers good upside as a pass-rusher. He's raw but has the length, flexibility and closing burst to develop into a good all-around player, and he was productive at Virginia (15.5 sacks, four forced fumbles and two interceptions his last two years at Virginia). He'd help the Colts get more pressure on opposing quarterbacks -- something they need -- and would benefit from playing alongside veteran Robert Mathis.

30Maxx WilliamsGreen Bay Packers (12-4)COLLEGE: MinnesotaClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE
Analysis: The Packers need youth and athleticism at inside linebacker, so Mississippi State's Benardrick McKinney is a possibility. But the team could also afford an upgrade at tight end, and Williams is the most complete TE in what is shaping up to be a very shallow class. He has a very good combination of size (6-4, 250 pounds) and speed, and it's expected that he'll test really well at the combine later this month. He'd provide Aaron Rodgers with another weapon in the passing game, which could become increasingly important if Randall Cobb leaves in free agency.

31Todd GurleySeattle Seahawks (12-4)COLLEGE: GeorgiaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 230POS: RB

32Carl DavisNew England Patriots (12-4)COLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 318POS: DT
Analysis: Davis' motor ran hot and cold during his Iowa career, but at 6-4, 318 pounds he has a quick get-off, violent hands and the ability to quickly redirect once he has penetrated the backfield. He was a standout at the Senior Bowl in January, proving to be one of the toughest players for offensive linemen to block one-on-one. Arizona State WR Jaelen Strong could also make sense here, as would Georgia RB Todd Gurley if he's still on the board.

Top five prospects still available:

1. Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
2. Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (FL)
3. Cameron Erving, C, Florida State
4. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M
5. A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina
 
his 2.0 makes a little more sense. But still DGB in the first is a foolish prediction. He'll be luck to sniff the 2-3 rds
 
I think I'd rather go with this guy in case Nix doesn't come back... and even if Nix does return it wouldn't hurt to have someone pushing him. Maybe even put him in the DE rotation with Crick.

17 Eddie Goldman - COLLEGE: Florida State
Class: Jr
HT: 6-3 WT: 315
POS: DT
Analysis: Sean Lissemore isn't working out at nose tackle for the Chargers, and 2014 fifth-rounder Ryan Carrethers played in only six games. Goldman would not only provide an immediate upgrade at nose, but he's versatile enough to play defensive end in a 3-4 scheme as well. Goldman's specialty is stopping the run, with excellent strength and size (6-3, 314 pounds).
 
I know we are a long way off, but the fact that these 2 think that Winston is STILL going to go ahead of Mariota makes me sick. If it holds true, it tells me that NFL teams are run by a bunch of pompous know-it-alls who continue to overlook negative personality traits in favor of skill or athleticism.

All I can say is that I am glad I am not a fan of one of those teams.
 
I know we are a long way off, but the fact that these 2 think that Winston is STILL going to go ahead of Mariota makes me sick. If it holds true, it tells me that NFL teams are run by a bunch of pompous know-it-alls who continue to overlook negative personality traits in favor of skill or athleticism.

All I can say is that I am glad I am not a fan of one of those teams.

This is like the Gabbert/Newton thing. Winston is without a doubt more NFL ready. But Mariota has got three solid years of outstanding production.

Unless Winston blows teams away in the interviews, I still think Mariota will go first. Most likely to Tampa Bay. Which means we'll get Leonard Williams in our division coached by Dick Lebeau & Randy Gregory coached by Gus Bradley.
 
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...NFL teams are run by [people] who continue to overlook negative personality traits in favor of skill or athleticism...

Yep, skill or athleticism wins out over negative personality traits most of the time. Just the way it is.
 
Kiper Draft 2.0

Ereck Flowers, Miami, OT

It's long picture so here's a link to it:
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1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
2 Tennessee Titans Leonard Williams, DE, USC
3 Jacksonville Jaguars Shane Ray, DE, Missouri
4 Oakland Raiders Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama
5 Washington Redskins Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska
6 New York Jets Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
7 Chicago Bears Danny Shelton, DT, Washington
8 Atlanta Falcons Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon
9 New York Giants Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa
10 St. Louis Rams Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford
11 Minnesota Vikings Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
12 Cleveland Browns Devante Parker, WR, Louisville
13 New Orleans Saints Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida
14 Miami Dolphins Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
15 San Francisco 49ers Breshard Perriman, WR, UCF
16 Houston Texans Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (FL)
17 San Diego Chargers Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin
18 Kansas City Chiefs Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State
19 Cleveland Browns (via Buffalo) Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State
20 Philadelphia Eagles Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
21 Cincinnati Bengals Vic Beasley, DE, Clemson
22 Pittsburgh Steelers Landon Collins, S, Alabama
23 Detroit Lions Malcom Brown, DT, Texas
24 Arizona Cardinals Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
25 Carolina Panthers T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
26 Baltimore Ravens Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota
27 Dallas Cowboys Carl Davis, DT, Iowa
28 Denver Broncos Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami (FL)
29 Indianapolis Colts La'El Collins, OT, LSU
30 Green Bay Packers Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma
31 Seattle Seahawks Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (FL)
32 New England Patriots Devin Funchess, WR, Michigan
 
Kiper has obviously been talking with some of his NFL sources. I was hoping Perriman would stay under the radar. He is a really underrated talent right now.
 
Kiper has obviously been talking with some of his NFL sources. I was hoping Perriman would stay under the radar. He is a really underrated talent right now.

That's all he does.

Daniel Jeremiah, whose has scouted in the NFL and is now media, put it well, I think:

Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks
Friendly reminder...Mock Draft is done with my ears, Top 50 list is done with my eyes.
 
Kiper has obviously been talking with some of his NFL sources. I was hoping Perriman would stay under the radar. He is a really underrated talent right now.

I thought you were talking about the LB at first then I noticed the pick at 15. I have read a lot of good things about him but have not been able to see any of his games.
 
trade down

In this scenario I'm all for a trade down, but like ObsiWan said who you trading down with, and who on that list are teams trading up for?

Ereck Flowers isn't a bad pick from what I've read, but I haven't really watched or researched the OT's of this class much. If I'm cherry picking though give me Eddie Goldman-DT at 16. I think he could play either NT or DE in our 3-4. Maybe PJ Williams as well.
 
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In this scenario I'm all for a trade down, but like ObsiWan said who you trading down with, and who on that list are teams trading up for?

Ereck Flowers isn't a bad pick from what I've read, but I haven't really watched or researched the OT's of this class much. If I'm cherry picking though give me Eddie Goldman-DT at 16. I think he could play either NT or DE in our 3-4. Maybe PJ Williams as well.

Flowers would be a really good pick. Especially if we lose Newton.
 
Flowers would be a really good pick. Especially if we lose Newton.

When you have a chance could you compare Flowers with Collins? I can't decide which would work out better but both would be upgrade over Newton & possibly cheaper options as Derek hits free agency, to some team with cap room & money they have to spend.
 
Flowers would be a really good pick. Especially if we lose Newton.
I think OT will be a value pick in the mid 1st. But, I wonder if the Texans will lose Newton? What's an average RT wort on the FA market? $5 million/year? I think Newton will be a lot easier to re-sign than say, Kareem Jackson. And the RT depth in the draft is such that you can probably find a eventual replacement in the middle rounds. With Clowney's uncertainty, I'm leaning toward some combination of OLB/WR/CB in the first 3 rounds.
 
In this scenario I'm all for a trade down, but like ObsiWan said who you trading down with, and who on that list are teams trading up for?

Ereck Flowers isn't a bad pick from what I've read, but I haven't really watched or researched the OT's of this class much. If I'm cherry picking though give me Eddie Goldman-DT at 16. I think he could play either NT or DE in our 3-4. Maybe PJ Williams as well.
You don't remember posting in my "let's talk trade thread?

BADBOY:
I still think Shelton, White or Parker will be available #16 but most of you & others say no. I think I would give Dallas #27 a call & work a deal. They should want (without knowing what FA movement will be) to improve defense with either a CB or a DT. http://www.chatsports.com/dallas-cow...015-2-10594529

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...r-all-32-teams

Trae Waynes if there at # 16 (1000 points) could bring us the Cowboy's 1.27 (680) + 2.60 (300) + 5.155 (29.4) = 1009.4 and we could toss in round 7 (8.2) or 1008.2.

Others available #16 but not #27 DTs Goldman & Malcomb Brown.
 
batboy always wants a trade down.
Bat e I may be but in first round, we should be able to get a solid starter later that round; add in additional picks and it almost a no brainer with exception of a franchise type guy early. Then add in the injuries that could knock out your guy (Clowney)... plus I do not see a franchise player in this first round at #16 unless Parker is there.
 
When you have a chance could you compare Flowers with Collins? I can't decide which would work out better but both would be upgrade over Newton & possibly cheaper options as Derek hits free agency, to some team with cap room & money they have to spend.

Flowers is really good in pass pro. Mirrors his man and anchors well. Reads and reacts to stunts well. Has good footwork. His run Blocking could be better. Doesn't play with a lot of aggression. More of a finesse run blocker. Defenders are able to escape from him to easily. Gets to the second level fast but doesn't do a whole lot when he gets there. Sounds like I'm saying his run blocking sucks. It doesn't. Its good not great.

Collins is just the opposite. His run blocking is really good. He's very aggressive and powerful. When he locks onto someone he doesn't let go. Gets to the second level and knows what to do when he gets there. His Pass pro is good but he needs to work on his technique. Speed rushers with good inside moves can catch him leaning back sometimes.

If I had my choice I would go with Collins. He is the better fit for us IMO.
 
So you would move down in the first 11 spots for just a 3rd/5th?

That just doesn't sound right

edit: it'd have to be at least a 2nd

Yup to the edit the 27th 2nd is almost spot on. 3rd/5th is short.

320 v. 169 (140 + 29)
 
Flowers is really good in pass pro. Mirrors his man and anchors well. Reads and reacts to stunts well. Has good footwork. His run Blocking could be better. Doesn't play with a lot of aggression. More of a finesse run blocker. Defenders are able to escape from him to easily. Gets to the second level fast but doesn't do a whole lot when he gets there. Sounds like I'm saying his run blocking sucks. It doesn't. Its good not great.

Collins is just the opposite. His run blocking is really good. He's very aggressive and powerful. When he locks onto someone he doesn't let go. Gets to the second level and knows what to do when he gets there. His Pass pro is good but he needs to work on his technique. Speed rushers with good inside moves can catch him leaning back sometimes.

If I had my choice I would go with Collins. He is the better fit for us IMO.
I agree with your eval but I do think Collins is gone #16.
 
What was the take on the Texans Brown/Ravens Flacco trade?

Traded 2008 first round pick (#26-Duane Brown), 2008 third round pick (#89-Steve Slaton), 2008 sixth round pick (#173-Dominique Barber) to Texans for 2008 first round pick (#18-Joe Flacco) on 2008-04-26

link

hopefully people have learned since then
 
What was the take on the Texans Brown/Ravens Flacco trade?

The Texans moved 18 to 26 and got a 3rd (89th) and 6th (173rd)

So 200 v. 145 + 22 = 167

Personally I think of anything after the 4th as basically worthless when talking about trading down in the 1st.
 
The Texans moved 18 to 26 and got a 3rd (89th) and 6th (173rd)

So 200 v. 145 + 22 = 167

Personally I think of anything after the 4th as basically worthless when talking about trading down in the 1st.

I don't think you trade down unless there are multiple players you want still on the board. In 2008, everyone knew the Texans needed OT, there was still a few they liked on the board when they made the trade. Circumstances matter
 
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