McShay 2015

[Playoffs]

Top 32 NFL prospects for 2015

1. Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon Ducks (Grade: 95)*
6-foot-4, 224 pounds

Mariota is a dynamic athlete who puts stress on a defense with his mobility both as a runner and a thrower. He has above-average elusiveness and rare straight-line speed, reminiscent of Colin Kaepernick with his long stride. Mariota has a quick, compact, over-the-shoulder release with well-above-average arm strength, so he can make all the NFL throws. While he needs to become more consistently accurate, and I want to see him show continued progress with his footwork and balance within the pocket, I thought he played really well in the Ducks' big win over Michigan State; he showed good mental toughness in bouncing back from early mistakes. He has outstanding intangibles and a very good mental makeup. He and the Ducks host Arizona on Thursday (10:30 p.m. ET, ESPN).

2. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M Aggies (Grade: 95)
6-5, 304 pounds

3. Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska Cornhuskers (Grade: 93)*
6-6, 245 pounds

4. Leonard Williams, DE, USC Trojans (Grade: 94)*
6-5, 290 pounds

Williams possesses excellent strength and speed for his size, and has the versatility to create mismatches all along the D-line. His best projection is as a 5-technique defensive end, but he has the quickness and point-of-attack skills to perform inside as a 3-technique (especially in pass-rushing situations), and enough athleticism to occasionally line up as a traditional left defensive end. As a pass-rusher, he isn't going to gain the edge with pure speed, but he has good initial quickness and a wide array of moves. He possesses an above-average motor and plays with an edge.

5. Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 93)*
6-1, 205 pounds

6. Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia Bulldogs (Grade: 92)*
6-3, 226 pounds

7. Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 94)*
6-4, 235 pounds

For my full take from two weeks ago on what Winston's latest off-field incident could mean for his draft stock, click here. The short version: It's mostly futile to speculate on whether or how far he could drop down teams' draft boards because of it, as a lot can happen between now and then and we don't know which teams will be picking at the top of the order, if they'll need QBs, and so on. But while Winston has what teams are looking for as a talent (he has good pocket mobility and very good arm strength), an on-field leader and an on-field decision-maker, he could cost himself a lot of money if NFL teams don't feel like they can trust him off the field.

8. Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia Bulldogs (Grade: 90)*
6-0, 230 pounds

9. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa Hawkeyes (Grade: 92)
6-5, 320 pounds

Scherff projects to me as the Zack Martin of this draft class. His lack of ideal length puts into question whether he can become an NFL offensive tackle, but I think he still has a shot to become one, and at worst he has what it takes to be an excellent guard at the next level. He displayed unique toughness earlier this season ahead of the Iowa State game, coming off a Monday medical procedure to practice Tuesday and play every snap in that Saturday's game. He's good in pass protection, is an elite run-blocker and is a powerful, nasty finisher.

10. Shane Ray, DE, Missouri Tigers (Grade: 90)*
6-2, 240 pounds

11. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon Ducks (Grade: 91)
5-9, 185 pounds

12. Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford Cardinal (Grade: 91)*
6-7, 312 pounds

13. La'el Collins, OT, LSU Tigers (Grade: 90)
6-4, 324 pounds

14. Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida Gators (Grade: 92)*
6-2, 271 pounds

15. Landon Collins, S, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 86)*
6-0, 212 pounds

16. DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville Cardinals (Grade: 89)
6-3, 207 pounds

17. Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson Tigers (Grade: 89)
6-3, 220 pounds

18. Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin Badgers (Grade: 88)*
6-1, 207 pounds

19. Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford Cardinal (Grade: 88)
6-1, 210 pounds

20. Devin Funchess, TE, Michigan Wolverines (Grade: 87)*
6-4, 235 pounds

Funchess has been banged up so far this season and the Wolverines are dealing with their fair share of turmoil, but he has still managed to be relatively effective and flash the potential that makes him a top-20 prospect. He often lines up at receiver for Michigan but projects best as a flex tight end in the NFL -- he is on the taller and leaner side for the position (getting muscled out as an in-line blocker and occasionally on routes), but has good speed and quickness for it. He is a downfield threat and flashes the ability to make the first defender miss and has the strength to pick up yards after contact.

21. Nelson Agholor, WR, USC Trojans (Grade: 87)*
6-0, 185 pounds

22. Mike Bennett, DT, Ohio State Buckeyes (Grade: 87)
6-2, 286 pounds

23. A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina Gamecocks (Grade: 87)
6-2, 319 pounds

24. Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 87)*
5-11, 188 pounds

25. T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh Panthers (Grade: 86)
6-4, 313 pounds

26. Marcus Peters, CB, Washington Huskies (Grade: 86)
5-11, 193 pounds

27. Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 85)
5-11, 175 pounds

28. Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State Spartans (Grade: 85)*
6-4, 257 pounds

29. Danny Shelton, DT, Washington Huskies (Grade: 85)
6-2, 332 pounds

Shelton is having a very productive start to the season, tying for the nation's lead in sacks with seven through five games. He has tree trunks for legs and a massive frame overall, with the powerful upper body you look for in a prototypical two-gap defensive tackle. He has the strength to collapse the pocket as a pass-rusher, although he's still developing in this area of his game. He is good in run defense and shows above-average instincts, and he plays with an edge and a quality motor.

30. Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington Huskies (Grade: 85)*
6-2, 224 pounds

31. Tyrus Thompson, OT, Oklahoma Sooners (Grade: 85)
6-5, 320 pounds

32. T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 86)*
6-1, 220 pounds

 

[mussop]

The Washington Huskies defense has some talent. Peters is solid, makes plays all over the field.

Shelton has exceptional agility for a big man. Gets solid penetration, is good against the run, plays with an edge you don't usually see in guys that big.

Shaq is undersized for a LB but is a playmaker. Tough physical player.

There is another LB who's name escapes me right now that looks pretty dam good too. Kikianu or something like that. Anyway of you get a chance watch this defense. Lots of talent to see.

 

[bah007]

The Washington Huskies defense has some talent. Peters is solid, makes plays all over the field.

Shelton has exceptional agility for a big man. Gets solid penetration, is good against the run, plays with an edge you don't usually see in guys that big.

Shaq is undersized for a LB but is a playmaker. Tough physical player.

There is another LB who's name escapes me right now that looks pretty dam good too. Kikianu or something like that. Anyway of you get a chance watch this defense. Lots of talent to see.

Hauoli Kikaha. Projects as a 34 OLB.

Funny thing to me is that Shelton gets most of the accolades, but I think he's probably the least talented of those four players.

 

[mussop]

Hauoli Kikaha. Projects as a 34 OLB.

Funny thing to me is that Shelton gets most of the accolades, but I think he's probably the least talented of those four players.

I don't know about that. I ponly watched one game where they played Stanford and he looked pretty damn good.

 

[badboy]

I was not impressed by Shelton last year.

 

[mussop]

I was not impressed by Shelton last year.

Well he was very impressive in the Stanford game this year. Will watch him more this year.

 

[badboy]

As I did last draft, I wish for a trade down getting a starter at need position and other selections in return. Doubt that happens.

 

[Playoffs]

As I did last draft, I wish for a trade down getting a starter at need position and other selections in return. Doubt that happens.

Depends on where we're drafting and how it's lining up, but I agree in principle with the "more lottery tickets the better" approach with the many holes we need to fill.

 

[badboy]

Depends on where we're drafting and how it's lining up, but I agree in principle with the "more lottery tickets the better" approach with the many holes we need to fill.

Trade down from almost anywhere we are expecting to end up to late first and select Trae Wayne corner. Select ILB Kendricks with our second and Prewitt FS with trade second. Wish I had idea what comps we will have if any

 

[Playoffs]

12/10

1. Leonard Williams, DE, USC Trojans (Grade: 96)*
6-foot-5, 290 pounds

2. Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon Ducks (Grade: 95)*
6-4, 224 pounds

3. Shane Ray, DE, Missouri Tigers (Grade: 95)*
6-2, 240 pounds

4. Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 94)*
6-1, 205 pounds

Cooper is a Heisman finalist and a potential top-10 pick. He has just average size for the receiver position, and good but not elite top-end speed, but his separation and ball skills more than make up for it. He is a great route-runner who does an excellent job of tracking the ball and competing for it in the air, and he has very good run-after-catch skills. This guy is a star who has had an outstanding season: 115 catches for 1,656 yards (14.4 YPC) and 14 touchdowns. Ohio State will have its hands full with him in their national semifinal.

5. Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska Cornhuskers (Grade: 94)*
6-6, 245 pounds

6. Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 93)*
6-4, 235 pounds

7. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa Hawkeyes (Grade: 92)
6-5, 320 pounds

8. DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville Cardinals (Grade: 92)
6-3, 207 pounds

We already really liked Parker's talent coming into the season, but what he has done since returning to the field after missing the first seven games of the season with a foot injury is really impressive. He has caught 35 passes for 735 yards (21.0 YPC) and five TDs in five games back. He has an above-average size-speed combo with the ability to run under the deep ball and make defenders miss, and to pick up extra yards after the catch. He has good separation skills and can pluck the ball out of the air and make over-the-shoulder catches.

9. Danny Shelton, DT, Washington Huskies (Grade: 92)
6-2, 332 pounds

Shelton has just been a beast this season, and has emerged as a legitimate first- or second-round prospect. He's on the shorter side with a wide, thick and powerful frame. He does an excellent job of occupying blocks (he demands double-teams), and he's a better athlete than most nose tackles, with the quickness and strength to make plays versus the run. Stamina will always be an issue for a player his size, but when he has the energy level, he has proved to be a playmaker both in pursuit and as a bull-rusher.

10. Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia Bulldogs (Grade: 91)*
6-3, 226 pounds

Floyd is a nightmare speed rusher who is also athletic enough to hold up in coverage and is effective as a sideline-to-sideline run defender. As a prospect, he compares favorably to a young Barkevious Mingo as a productive pass-rusher with an extremely high ceiling. He explodes out of the blocks with elite get-off speed and acceleration, and he shows good natural bend and body control. He has flashed the potential to effectively convert speed to power as a pass-rusher despite needing to improve his strength.

11. Landon Collins, S, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 91)*
6-0, 212 pounds

12. Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 91)*
6-4, 315 pounds

Goldman is a former top-rated recruit who has really put it all together this season. He first caught my attention when I studied the tape of Florida State's win over NC State, and from what I've seen this season he has looked like the Seminoles' best defensive player. He has a thick build, moves well and can be overpowering for blockers. He suffered an ankle injury in FSU's ACC title game win over Georgia Tech, but he's expected to play in the national semifinal against Oregon.

13. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M Aggies (Grade: 91)
6-5, 304 pounds

14. Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Mountaineers (Grade: 91)
6-3, 211 pounds

White has gone from being a mid-round prospect in the preseason to the No. 3 wide receiver on our board. He's a late-riser in part because this is just his second full season at West Virginia, having transferred from Lackawana College in January 2013. He has mid-4.4 speed to go with his excellent size for the position, and while he is a little tight in his movement skills and will need time to develop more as a route-runner, he has natural instincts when it comes to separating when the ball is in the air. White has the quickness and strength needed to beat the press and is a vertical threat who is also dangerous after the catch.

15. Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida Gators (Grade: 90)*
6-2, 271 pounds

Fowler is a big and strong edge-setter in the run game who has really good striking ability as a tackler and the ability to jar the ball loose with his long arms. He has growth potential as a pass-rusher but lacks elite physical traits and isn't yet a polished finisher. He does have above-average first-step quickness for his size, and in particular has flashed some effectiveness as an inside rusher at nose tackle or a 3-technique in nickel and dime packages.

16. Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin Badgers (Grade: 90)*
6-1, 207 pounds

17. Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (Fla.) Hurricanes (Grade: 90)*
6-6, 325 pounds

Flowers has a massive frame that allows him to recover in pass protection and open up lanes in the running game, along with above-average agility and a quick first step for his size. His football instincts are good overall, he takes good angles, he plays with an edge and has excellent intangibles.

18. Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson Tigers (Grade: 89)
6-3, 220 pounds

19. T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh Panthers (Grade: 89)
6-4, 313 pounds

Clemmings played poorly last season after transitioning from defensive line to offensive tackle after Pittsburgh was ravaged by injuries on its O-line, in large part because he had no idea what he was doing. But he was on our radar heading into 2014 based on his raw physical tools and high upside, and it's clear that his offseason work paid off. He's still very much a work in progress, but he has an excellent combination of length, agility and upper-body power.

20. Devin Funchess, WR, Michigan Wolverines (Grade: 89)*
6-4, 235 pounds

21. Marcus Peters, CB, Washington Huskies (Grade: 89)
5-11, 193 pounds

Peters was dismissed from the Washington program earlier this season after having been held out of games on more than one occasion for behavioral issues. Obviously, NFL teams are going to want to take a closer look at the reasons for his dismissal. But in terms of his talent, he has prototypical size for the cornerback position to go with above-average top-end speed. He gets into trouble in coverage on occasion because of a lack of proper footwork and technique, but makes up for it with good athleticism and fluidity, and he's effective in press technique because of his physicality.

22. Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington Huskies (Grade: 88)*
6-2, 224 pounds

23. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon Ducks (Grade: 88)
5-9, 185 pounds

24. Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia Bulldogs (Grade: 88)*
6-0, 230 pounds

25. Kevin Johnson, RB, Wake Forest Demon Deacons (Grade: 87)
6-foot, 175 pounds

26. Malcom Brown, DT, Texas Longhorns (Grade: 87)*
6-foot-3, 317 pounds

Brown is an underclassman, but I think he'll be selected within the top 50 picks if he leaves school after this season. He's a 320-pounder with an impressive combination of quickness and power who plays all along the line of scrimmage for the Longhorns. He's versatile, very disruptive and has a good motor.

27. La'el Collins, OT, LSU Tigers (Grade: 87)
6-4, 324 pounds

28. Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State Sun Devils (Grade: 87)*
6-4, 212 pounds

29. A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina Gamecocks (Grade: 87)
6-2, 319 pounds

Cann is a high-character lineman with awareness and toughness. He isn't an elite athlete, nor is he overpowering at the point of attack, but he possesses good quickness, agility and balance for the position, allowing him to hold up well in pass protection. He does a good job with his first step and overall angles as a run-blocker.

30. Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford Cardinal (Grade: 86)*
6-7, 312 pounds

Peat has the ideal physical tools you look for in a starting NFL left tackle. He displays good length, a strong anchor, a powerful upper body and excellent overall agility in pass protection. As a run-blocker, he has the power base to drive defenders off the ball. On tape, his football instincts appear to be good, and he flashes a nasty side on occasion. He has been a little inconsistent this season, which is why we moved him down the board this week.

31. Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State Spartans (Grade: 85)*
6-1, 182 pounds

Waynes has good length and speed for the cornerback position, and is at his best in a press-man or Cover 2 role. He has above-average field awareness and can track the ball well and maintain good position in coverage. He's also willing to come up in run support and is a sure open-field tackler.

32. Denzel Perryman, LB, Miami (FL) Hurricanes (Grade: 85)*
5-11, 248 pounds

This guy is a stud. He's the quarterback of the Hurricanes' defense and displays good anticipation and diagnostic skills, but what really stands out is his tackling ability. He's a thumper who can deliver the big hit and occasionally jar the ball loose, and he shows good body control in space. Perryman possesses the strength to hold his own against and to shed blockers, and above-average range versus the run.

 

[thunderkyss]

12/10

1. Leonard Williams, DE, USC Trojans (Grade: 96)*
6-foot-5, 290 pounds

Right on, Right on

 

[mussop]

12/10

if it went this way I would run to the podium and pick Kevin White, WR, West Virginia Mountaineers (Grade: 91)
6-3, 211 pounds.

 

[thunderkyss]

12/10

Just for the purpose of discussion, not to be argumentative, but how are these "rankings" different from "power rankings"?

When draft time comes around, people are going to be pointing to this list & many others saying, "This player was better than that player... so & so got a steal, while those other guys were reaching."

But when power rankings come out, the talk is, "This don't mean nothing, they're silly."

When it's pretty much the same thing. Educated folks assigning value based on quality of play up to that point.

 

[bah007]

Just for the purpose of discussion, not to be argumentative, but how are these "rankings" different from "power rankings"?

When draft time comes around, people are going to be pointing to this list & many others saying, "This player was better than that player... so & so got a steal, while those other guys were reaching."

But when power rankings come out, the talk is, "This don't mean nothing, they're silly."

When it's pretty much the same thing. Educated folks assigning value based on quality of play up to that point.

It is the same thing. But it also generates tons of web hits so that's why they put them out there. Plus, it's easier to read when it's listed that way.

The truth is, prospects aren't ranked one by one. They are ranked in tiers. Each tier could consist of numerous prospects. And the further you get into the draft the larger the tiers get.

For example, my tier one ranking in last year's class was:
Clowney, Mack, Bortles, Robinson

To me, those guys were clearly ahead of everybody else in the draft. And while I didn't think Robinson was an equal prospect to Clowney, I saw him as close enough that I could see a team taking him above Clowney if they really needed an OT.

So you could say that I had Clowney at #1 and Robinson at #4 but in reality it was more like #1A and #1D.

 

[eriadoc]

Just for the purpose of discussion, not to be argumentative, but how are these "rankings" different from "power rankings"?

Not at all different, as far as I can tell, since they're relative to each other. What I'd like to see is a QB grade or rating relative to other grades they gave in recent years. How does Mariota grade out relative to last year's class, or the last three years worth of QBs. How does this year's crop of WRs rate against Watkins, Beckham, Benjamin, and even Hopkins?

 

[bah007]

Not at all different, as far as I can tell, since they're relative to each other. What I'd like to see is a QB grade or rating relative to other grades they gave in recent years. How does Mariota grade out relative to last year's class, or the last three years worth of QBs. How does this year's crop of WRs rate against Watkins, Beckham, Benjamin, and even Hopkins?

I've actually been working on this recently. I only have a comparison against last year's class but here is what I have so far. Keep in mind that everything is my opinion and sometimes I differ with the consensus drastically.

Here's all the QBs that I had graded in the top three rounds:
1. Blake Bortles – UCF
2. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
3. Marcus Mariota – Oregon
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Garrett Grayson – Colorado St
7. Connor Cook – Michigan St
8. Jameis Winston – Florida St
9. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
10. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
11. Brett Hundley – UCLA
12. Shane Carden – ECU
13. Tom Savage – Pittsburgh

I'll just go top two rounds at WR because there are so many:
1. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
2. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
3. Kevin White – West Virginia
4. Amari Cooper – Alabama
5. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
6. DeVante Parker – Louisville
7. Jaelen Strong – Arizona St
8. Donte Moncrief – Mississippi
9. Rashad Greene – Florida St
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St
11. Marqise Lee – USC
12. Allen Robinson – Penn St
13. Devin Funchess – Michigan
14. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
15. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
16. Nelson Agholor – USC
17. Davante Adams – Fresno St
18. Dorial Green-Beckham – Oklahoma
19. Cody Latimer – Indiana
20. Ty Montgomery – Stanford
21. Sammie Coates – Auburn

 

[eriadoc]

I've actually been working on this recently. I only have a comparison against last year's class but here is what I have so far. Keep in mind that everything is my opinion and sometimes I differ with the consensus drastically.

Here's all the QBs that I had graded in the top three rounds:
1. Blake Bortles – UCF
2. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
3. Marcus Mariota – Oregon
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Garrett Grayson – Colorado St
7. Connor Cook – Michigan St
8. Jameis Winston – Florida St
9. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
10. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
11. Brett Hundley – UCLA
12. Shane Carden – ECU
13. Tom Savage – Pittsburgh

That's kind of where I am. I am not thrilled with any of these QB prospects. I had higher hopes for Mariota, Hundley, Petty (not on list), and Winston, but they all disappointed me for various reasons. I'd move that list around a bit, but I can't nit pick it too badly.

I'll just go top two rounds at WR because there are so many:
1. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
2. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
3. Kevin White – West Virginia
4. Amari Cooper – Alabama
5. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
6. DeVante Parker – Louisville
7. Jaelen Strong – Arizona St
8. Donte Moncrief – Mississippi
9. Rashad Greene – Florida St
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St
11. Marqise Lee – USC
12. Allen Robinson – Penn St
13. Devin Funchess – Michigan
14. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
15. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
16. Nelson Agholor – USC
17. Davante Adams – Fresno St
18. Dorial Green-Beckham – Oklahoma
19. Cody Latimer – Indiana
20. Ty Montgomery – Stanford
21. Sammie Coates – Auburn

I think I'd rearrange this list a bit more dramatically. I liked Watkins better than Beckham, and still do if you swapped their teams. But that's minor. I think you have Kevin White rated a little too highly for my tastes. I don't know that I'd put White ahead of Evans. And you have Coates rated way low in my book.

Still, good comparison.

 

[thunderkyss]

It is the same thing. But it also generates tons of web hits so that's why they put them out there. Plus, it's easier to read when it's listed that way.

The truth is, prospects aren't ranked one by one. They are ranked in tiers. Each tier could consist of numerous prospects. And the further you get into the draft the larger the tiers get.

For example, my tier one ranking in last year's class was:
Clowney, Mack, Bortles, Robinson

To me, those guys were clearly ahead of everybody else in the draft. And while I didn't think Robinson was an equal prospect to Clowney, I saw him as close enough that I could see a team taking him above Clowney if they really needed an OT.

So you could say that I had Clowney at #1 and Robinson at #4 but in reality it was more like #1A and #1D.

Makes sense.

 

[Texian]

Right on, Right on

A likely Jag.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've actually been working on this recently. I only have a comparison against last year's class but here is what I have so far. Keep in mind that everything is my opinion and sometimes I differ with the consensus drastically.

Here's all the QBs that I had graded in the top three rounds:
1. Blake Bortles – UCF
2. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
3. Marcus Mariota – Oregon
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Garrett Grayson – Colorado St
7. Connor Cook – Michigan St
8. Jameis Winston – Florida St
9. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
10. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
11. Brett Hundley – UCLA
12. Shane Carden – ECU
13. Tom Savage – Pittsburgh

I'll just go top two rounds at WR because there are so many:
1. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
2. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
3. Kevin White – West Virginia
4. Amari Cooper – Alabama
5. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
6. DeVante Parker – Louisville
7. Jaelen Strong – Arizona St
8. Donte Moncrief – Mississippi
9. Rashad Greene – Florida St
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St
11. Marqise Lee – USC
12. Allen Robinson – Penn St
13. Devin Funchess – Michigan
14. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
15. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
16. Nelson Agholor – USC
17. Davante Adams – Fresno St
18. Dorial Green-Beckham – Oklahoma
19. Cody Latimer – Indiana
20. Ty Montgomery – Stanford
21. Sammie Coates – Auburn

I group players like you do. But also try to get an overview of next yrs class. For instance I think next yrs DB class should be better than this yrs DB class. So I would concentrate on drafting WR/OT/OLB/RB's this yr because of the strength of this class in those position and fill in DB's in FA next yr. (If needed) Then draft DB's in the 2016 stronger class.

I don't know if I am clear about what I'm saying. But I'm a believer in drafting to the strength of a draft class more than meeting needs and also looking at who the Texans are likely to lose in FA and try to draft their replacements a yr early so you can train up the rookies to replace the out going vets. This strategy allows you to take talented but troubled players later in the draft and see if they wash out or if they can become dedicated to their craft. If they wash out you really haven't lost much. This also applies to talented but injured players. The yr in training gives them time to heal and learn the system with very little pressure. Of course with the Texans medical staff this could be a faulty way of thinking.

Do you get the feeling that Smith always drafts for need instead of talent being the #1 criteria? One thing I've learned with Clowney this yr is, if a player has any injury concerns the Texans shouldn't pick the guy. Especially with the current Texans medical team.

 

[mussop]

It is the same thing. But it also generates tons of web hits so that's why they put them out there. Plus, it's easier to read when it's listed that way.

The truth is, prospects aren't ranked one by one. They are ranked in tiers. Each tier could consist of numerous prospects. And the further you get into the draft the larger the tiers get.

For example, my tier one ranking in last year's class was:
Clowney, Mack, Bortles, Robinson

To me, those guys were clearly ahead of everybody else in the draft. And while I didn't think Robinson was an equal prospect to Clowney, I saw him as close enough that I could see a team taking him above Clowney if they really needed an OT.

So you could say that I had Clowney at #1 and Robinson at #4 but in reality it was more like #1A and #1D.

I do it kinda like that. My first grouping is the players I feel are elite. In other words I wouldn't trade down past a chance to get at least one of these guys. I believe I had 9 elites last year.

Greg Robinson OT
Clowney DE
Blake Bortles QB
Sammy Watkins WR
Khalil Mack LB
Mike Evans WR
Justin Gilbert CB
Anthony Barr LB
Aaron Donald DT
Taylor Lewan OT

I had Robinson as my 1A

 

[bah007]

That's kind of where I am. I am not thrilled with any of these QB prospects. I had higher hopes for Mariota, Hundley, Petty (not on list), and Winston, but they all disappointed me for various reasons. I'd move that list around a bit, but I can't nit pick it too badly.

I really do like Mariota a lot. Physically, he is unquestionably a better prospect than Bridgewater. And I think he has a great mental makeup. He is just not even close to NFL ready. He's gonna have to sit. And there is that risk that he doesn't make the transition from his offense to a NFL system. They are drastically different.

I don't think Hundley will make it as a NFL QB. He's a great athlete and he seems like a great kid so I'm rooting for him. But he fails in all of the categories that are most important to me as a QB prospect. At a certain point in the draft I would take him because you can't ignore his physical gifts, but I wouldn't be confident in it.

Petty is in the same category as Hundley for me, except that he isn't as physically gifted. He plays in a high school offense, his arm is overrated, and his accuracy is just not there on any route other than the vertical. He seems like a hard worker so there is the chance he could pay off but I'm not betting on it.

I've made my thoughts known on Winston. Mentally, I think he has all the best attributes of Vince Young. But physically, I think he has all the worst attributes of JaMarcus Russell.

I think I'd rearrange this list a bit more dramatically. I liked Watkins better than Beckham, and still do if you swapped their teams. But that's minor. I think you have Kevin White rated a little too highly for my tastes. I don't know that I'd put White ahead of Evans. And you have Coates rated way low in my book.

Still, good comparison.

We all have our own tastes and I will never quibble with someone who liked Watkins better than Beckham. Beckham was probably my favorite prospect in the draft. I could not find a single play on his film where he didn't get separation. But then again, a lot of people called me crazy for even having him above Evans, let alone Watkins.

I think White is more polished than Evans. I also think he plays bigger than he is, and he's already decent size. WolverineFan has said White reminds him of Larry Fitzgerald. I scoffed at first, but the more I watch him the more I see the resemblance. He's not the same talent as Fitzgerald, but he's in the same mold.

I think Coates is overrated as a prospect. I admit he is an impressive physical specimen, but so was Darrius Heyward-Bey. Coates suffers from the same problems that he did. He only gets open when running in a straight line and he drops a ton of balls. With some coaching maybe you can fix him up. I'd rather not.

 

[Playoffs]

McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 1.0

1. Marcus MariotaTampa Bay Buccaneers (2-12)COLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
Analysis: Mariota is a dynamic athlete with excellent top-end speed. He is elite at throwing on the run. He has a quick and compact over-the-shoulder release, and he possesses excellent intangibles. The concern I have with him is that while he's good with his anticipation and accuracy when passing from inside the pocket (and he's gotten better at it this season), he isn't great -- and that's the most important quality for QBs transitioning to the NFL level. ...I just can't see either of these guys sliding out of the top 10. This is as shallow of a draft at the QB position as I can remember -- at least in the past several years.

2. Jameis WinstonTennessee Titans (2-12)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB
Analysis: Winston has all the tools to be great on the field as an NFL quarterback. He excels from inside the pocket, has prototypical size, can drive the ball downfield and to the outside hashes, and displays very good game-management skills and on-field leadership. But his off-field behavior to this point frightens me. The Titans and any team that considers drafting him are going to have to be comfortable with what they find when they look into his past, and with his psychological testing.

3. Leonard WilliamsJacksonville Jaguars (2-12)COLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE
Analysis: The Jaguars have a much bigger need on the offensive line than on the defensive line -- and overall, the defense is in much better shape than the offense -- but there's too much of a talent gap between the top D-linemen and top O-linemen prospects in this class, and the Jags could afford to get younger at the position with Red Bryant already 30 years old. Williams is the No. 1 prospect on our board, with excellent strength and speed for his size, and he'd fit as a 5-technique defensive end in Gus Bradley's scheme.

4. Randy GregoryOakland Raiders (2-12)COLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE
Analysis: The Raiders need an edge rusher, and the presence of Gregory and Khalil Mack along the same front seven would create problems for opposing offensive lines for seasons to come. I actually have a slightly higher grade on Ray than I do Gregory, but Gregory has the length to be a better fit as a 4-3 right defensive end. He needs to add strength to succeed in the NFL, as right now he is lean and can get pushed around a bit against the run. But he is a very good pass-rusher with his lateral quickness and closing speed.

5. Shane RayWashington Redskins (3-11)COLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE
Analysis: The Redskins need a lot of help on defense, and in particular could use a legit pass-rusher with Brian Orakpo unable to stay healthy and Trent Murphy currently starting opposite Ryan Kerrigan. Ray would help immediately. I studied the Missouri defense on tape a lot during last season's draft process, and it was Ray who jumped out on tape as the most talented player on a front that included Kony Ealy and Michael Sam. He is an absolutely relentless pass-rusher who is tough, aggressive, can bend the end and has an explosive first step. He's also versatile and has improved his ability to convert speed to power.

6. Amari CooperNew York Jets (3-11)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR
...
7. Dante Fowler Jr.Atlanta Falcons (5-9)COLLEGE: FloridaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 271POS: DE
Analysis: There's a drop-off in talent after the first six prospects, so no matter which player I assign to the Falcons it feels like a reach. I'm also not going to lose too much sleep over which pass-rusher I place here on Dec. 17, since the Falcons still have a chance to win the NFC South and wind up picking in the 20s. Fowler has the size, quickness, power and relentless motor you look for in a defensive end. He also has experience playing all along the D-line, including occasionally dropping into underneath zone coverage, and that versatility adds to his value.

8. Vic BeasleyNew York Giants (5-9)COLLEGE: ClemsonClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 220POS: DE
...
9. Landon CollinsChicago Bears (5-9)COLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S
...
10. Brandon ScherffCarolina Panthers (5-8-1)COLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT
Analysis: Scherff reminds me a lot of Zack Martin, the Cowboys' first-round pick at No. 16 overall in the 2014 draft, in that he could be a good starting right tackle in the NFL or a great starting guard. He possesses excellent strength and toughness, and is perfectly wired for life as an NFL offensive lineman. The Panthers really need to get better in pass protection for QB Cam Newton, as they haven't done well this year following Jordan Gross' 2013 retirement. Byron Bell has been just decent at left tackle, and right tackle has been a problem area with Nate Chandler and now David Foucault.

11. Cedric OgbuehiMinnesota Vikings (6-8)COLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 300POS: OT
Analysis: This is probably a little earlier than Ogbuehi should go based on where I have him graded right now, due to some of his inconsistencies this season, but offensive tackles with his talent have a tendency to rise during the draft process and don't last long on the board. He needs to become more polished, but he has size, long arms and quick feet, and he'd upgrade the Vikings at right tackle.

12. Ereck FlowersSt. Louis Rams (6-8)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: JrHT: 6-6WT: 325POS: OT
Analysis: The Rams need a QB, but there isn't one worth drafting here in this scenario. They also need a cornerback, but it's too early to take Oregon's Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, Washington's Marcus Peters or Michigan State's Trae Waynes. Flowers is under the radar right now but he'll be well-known by April. His pad level is an issue, but he has a massive frame, moves well and is a finisher.

13. Devante ParkerHouston Texans (7-7)COLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR
Analysis: The Texans are another team looking for a franchise quarterback, but they won't find one at this spot. They could consider Washington nose tackle Danny Shelton, but I'll give them Parker here. He'd provide Houston with a lot more juice in three-receiver sets early in his career, and could eventually take over as a starter once Andre Johnson's time is up. Parker has a good combination of size and speed with good separation skills and the ability to run under the deep ball and make over-the-shoulder grabs.

14. Danny SheltonCleveland Browns (7-7)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-1WT: 332POS: DT
Analysis: Cleveland is too soft against the run, ranking 31st in the NFL by allowing 137.6 rushing yards per game. Shelton would help fix that problem, as he's a great fit at nose tackle and can add depth along the Browns' entire three-man front. He has a thick and powerful frame to occupy blockers, along with very impressive quickness for his size.

15. Devin FunchessSan Francisco 49ers (7-7)COLLEGE: MichiganClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: WR
...
16. Shaq ThompsonMiami Dolphins (7-7)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 224POS: OLB
Analysis: The Dolphins could afford to add a wide receiver with size, like West Virginia's Kevin White (6-foot-3) or Arizona State's Jaelen Strong (6-4), but they can address that need in Round 2. Thompson is a unique talent with an outstanding combination of size, speed and athleticism, and he could help upgrade Miami at linebacker. He is very good in coverage and can defend the run sideline-to-sideline.

17. Kevin WhiteKansas City Chiefs (8-6)COLLEGE: West VirginiaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 211POS: WR
Analysis: It's Week 16, and the Chiefs still haven't had a wide receiver record a touchdown catch this season. White would upgrade the receiving corps with his excellent size-and-speed combo. He still needs to develop as a route runner but is a natural when it comes to separating from coverage when the ball is in the air. White is also dangerous after the catch, which adds to his value for a team in need of perimeter playmakers.

18. Eddie GoldmanSan Diego Chargers (8-6)COLLEGE: Florida StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: DT
Analysis: Goldman would provide a boost to the Chargers' defensive line, particularly against the run, which is where he really stands out. He is thick and powerful with good movement skills for his size, and he shows the ability to work through double-teams. From what I've seen in person and on tape this season, he might be the best player on FSU's defense. He'd be a good value here.

19. Jaelen StrongCleveland Browns (7-7)COLLEGE: Arizona StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 212POS: WR
...
20. Trae WaynesPhiladelphia Eagles (9-5)COLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 182POS: CB
Analysis: The Eagles have been better on defense this season, but cornerback remains a position of need and Waynes would be a good fit. He has good length and speed for the corner position, and he's a sure tackler who isn't afraid to come up and assist in run support. His field awareness is very impressive as well.

21. T.J. ClemmingsNew Orleans Saints (6-8)COLLEGE: PittsburghClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 313POS: OT
Analysis: There's no question the Saints could use help on defense given how bad they've been on that side of the ball this season, but Clemmings is a solid value here and they could afford to add some help along the offensive line. Clemmings has a high ceiling as a prospect because of his raw physical tools and the fact that he's still new to the position, having switched from defensive line to offensive line ahead of the 2013 season. He has an excellent combo of strength, length and quickness.

22. Malcom BrownPittsburgh Steelers (9-5)COLLEGE: TexasClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 317POS: DT
Analysis: The Steelers have largely been carried by their offense this season, and Brown's versatility would be an asset on the Pittsburgh D-line. He's played nose tackle, defensive tackle and defensive end in a 4-3 front and NT and DE in a 3-4 front for the Longhorns, so the Steelers would have options in how to employ him in Dick LeBeau's scheme. Brown is very disruptive with his strength-quickness combo, and he possesses a good motor.

23. Melvin GordonBaltimore Ravens (9-5)COLLEGE: WisconsinClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 207POS: RB
...
24. Andrus PeatCincinnati Bengals (9-4-1)COLLEGE: StanfordClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT
Analysis: We've moved Peat down our board a bit this season, but he still has the ideal physical tools to be a starting left tackle in the NFL, with good length, a powerful upper body and very good agility in pass protection. He'd provide a boost to the Cincinnati offensive line, whose current starting left tackle Andrew Whitworth is entering the final season of his contract.

25. Kevin JohnsonDallas Cowboys (10-4)COLLEGE: Wake ForestClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 175POS: CB
Analysis: The Dallas defense held up better this season with the help of a dominant running game and ball-control offense, but corner is still a position of need for the Cowboys. Former first-round pick Morris Claiborne was benched this season prior to his season-ending injury, and the Cowboys could use an infusion of youth and talent at the position. Johnson doesn't have elite physical traits, but he's fast and fluid enough as an athlete to keep up with most receivers and is physical and aggressive as a press corner despite his lean frame and shorter arms. His instincts and awareness are excellent.

26. Marcus PetersDetroit Lions (10-4)COLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 193POS: CB
Analysis: It seems like every draft season we discuss the Lions' need for a cornerback, and this year is no different. Peters was dismissed from the UW program midseason after being held out multiple times for team rules violations, so teams will need to be comfortable with his character and intangibles to draft him. But as a talent he has what you're looking for, with very good athleticism and prototypical size for the position.

27. La'El CollinsIndianapolis Colts (10-4)COLLEGE: LSUClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 324POS: OT
...
28. Benardrick McKinneyGreen Bay Packers (10-4)COLLEGE: Mississippi StateClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 243POS: ILB
Analysis: The Packers' lack of athleticism at interior linebacker required them to move Clay Matthews there earlier this season, so McKinney would fill a need. He has very good speed and closing burst for his size, and while he isn't a huge hitter in general, he has the strength to occasionally deliver a big blow. He also flashes upside as a pass-rusher.

29. Todd GurleySeattle Seahawks (10-4)COLLEGE: GeorgiaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 230POS: RB
...
30. Bud DupreeArizona Cardinals (11-3)COLLEGE: KentuckyClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 268POS: OLB
Analysis: Arizona's quarterback situation has been complicated by Carson Palmer tearing his ACL the same week he signed a contract extension with the team, but the Cardinals aren't going to find a solution at this spot, even if they're looking for one. Dupree is a bit of a tweener but projects best as a 3-4 outside linebacker, making him a good fit for Arizona's scheme at a position of need. He is an outstanding athlete for his size, with very good speed and redirect skills.

31. A.J. CannNew England Patriots (11-3)COLLEGE: South CarolinaClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: OG
Analysis: It would make sense for the Patriots to target a pass-catcher here. I considered Ohio State WR Devin Smith, and either Michigan WR/TE Devin Funchess or Arizona State WR Jaelen Strong would have been a good choice, were they available. But Cann is a good pick at this spot. Dan Connolly and Ryan Wendell each have one year left on their contracts, but Cann is capable of starting right away if needed and would be a good long-term replacement for either one. He isn't elite athletically, nor is he overpowering at the point of attack, but he has good quickness, agility and balance and fares well as a run-blocker and in pass protection.

32. Denzel PerrymanDenver Broncos (11-3)COLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: SrHT: 5-11WT: 248POS: ILB
Analysis: The Broncos have dealt with several injuries at the linebacker position this season, and Perryman is a good value at this spot. I've been really impressed with what I've seen from him on tape; he's a very good tackler with the ability to deliver a big hit, above-average range versus the run and good anticipation and diagnostic skills.

Top five prospects still available:

1. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon Ducks
2. Mike Bennett, DT, Ohio State Buckeyes
3. Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana Hoosiers
4. Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State Buckeyes
5. Trey Flowers, DE, Arkansas Razorbacks

 

[JB]

McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 1.0

Very surprising he has Shaq falling to 16, or would be if he wasn't McShay

 

[steelbtexan]

Very surprising he has Shaq falling to 16, or would be if he wasn't McShay

As much as I like Parker and how bad the Texans need speed at WR, if Shaq is there he would be my pick. He would be awesome pairing with Watt, a true playmaking LB. A top 5 pick IMHO.

 

[JB]

As much as I like Parker and how bad the Texans need speed at WR, if Shaq is there he would be my pick. He would be awesome pairing with Watt, a true playmaking LB. A top 5 pick IMHO.

Agreed. A ILB that can cover backs and TE's, a ball hawking S (prewitt?) and a speedy WR are our biggest needs, IMO

 

[eriadoc]

As much as I like Parker and how bad the Texans need speed at WR, if Shaq is there he would be my pick. He would be awesome pairing with Watt, a true playmaking LB. A top 5 pick IMHO.

If we take one every year, we're bound to hit at some point, huh?

I like Shaq, Waynes, each of the top 3 WRs, Malcolm Brown DT, and Fisher. I really like Waynes, but it's hard to justify that pick.

 

[Mollywhopper]

As much as I like Parker and how bad the Texans need speed at WR, if Shaq is there he would be my pick. He would be awesome pairing with Watt, a true playmaking LB. A top 5 pick IMHO.

Hell, he'd be awesome pairing with Watt on both sides of the ball.

 

[Wolf6151]

If we take one every year, we're bound to hit at some point, huh?

I like Shaq, Waynes, each of the top 3 WRs, Malcolm Brown DT, and Fisher. I really like Waynes, but it's hard to justify that pick.

It's not hard to justify that pick at all when you consider that KJ will be a FA when the season ends, and JJo will be in the last year of his contract with an injury history, getting old, and very expensive. Also I don't think any of Hal, Morris, Bouye, Rolle etc... are ready to step up and be a #1 CB.

 

[Marshall]

McShay: 2015 NFL Mock Draft 1.0

Does anybody know if Shawn Oakman is off that list because of his evaluation or because he hasn't formally declared yet? He is showing up between 8 and 12 on most projections.

 

[Marshall]

Hell, he'd be awesome pairing with Watt on both sides of the ball.

That plus OLB is a premium position and WR is deep this year.

 

[mussop]

Does anybody know if Shawn Oakman is off that list because of his evaluation or because he hasn't formally declared yet? He is showing up between 8 and 12 on most projections.

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[Texian]

Does anybody know if Shawn Oakman is off that list because of his evaluation or because he hasn't formally declared yet? He is showing up between 8 and 12 on most projections.

I was wondering the same thing.

It's McShay...

 

[Playoffs]

1/15 Top 32

1. Leonard WilliamsCOLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE

2. Jameis WinstonCOLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB
2014-15 STATSYDS 3559TD 24INT 17

3. Shane RayCOLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE

4. Amari CooperCOLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 115YDS 1656AVG 14.4

5. Randy GregoryCOLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE

6. Marcus MariotaCOLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
2014-15 STATSYDS 3783TD 38INT 2

7. Brandon ScherffCOLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT
2014-15 STATSGP 0

8. Danny SheltonCOLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-1WT: 332POS: DT

9. Devante ParkerCOLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 35YDS 735AVG 21

10. Landon CollinsCOLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S

11. Jordan PhillipsCOLLEGE: OklahomaClass: SophHT: 6-5WT: 334POS: DT

12. Ereck FlowersCOLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: JrHT: 6-6WT: 325POS: OT

13. Eddie GoldmanCOLLEGE: Florida StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: DT

14. Dante Fowler Jr.COLLEGE: FloridaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 271POS: DE

15. Melvin GordonCOLLEGE: WisconsinClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 207POS: RB
2014-15 STATSYDS 2336YPC 7.6TD 26

16. Kevin WhiteCOLLEGE: West VirginiaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 211POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 102YDS 1318AVG 12.9

17. Vic BeasleyCOLLEGE: ClemsonClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 220POS: DE

18. T J ClemmingsCOLLEGE: PittsburghClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 313POS: OT
Analysis: Clemmings played poorly last season after transitioning from defensive line to offensive tackle after Pittsburgh was ravaged by injuries on its O-line, in large part because he had no idea what he was doing. But he was on our radar heading into 2014 based on his raw physical tools and high upside, and it's clear that his offseason work paid off. He's still a work in progress, but he has an excellent combination of length, agility and upper-body power.

19. Devin FunchessCOLLEGE: MichiganClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 62YDS 733AVG 11.8

20. Maxx WilliamsCOLLEGE: MinnesotaClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE
2014-15 STATSREC 29YDS 471AVG 16.2
Analysis: Williams bears some similarities to Greg Olsen. He is very talented with a great size-speed ratio, and he is expected to test off the charts in terms of measurements and athletic ability. His father played in the NFL, so he has the bloodlines. He is one of the more underrated prospects in this class right now.

21. Marcus PetersCOLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 193POS: CB

22. Cedric OgbuehiCOLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 300POS: OT

23. Arik ArmsteadCOLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-7WT: 285POS: DE

24. Devin SmithCOLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 199POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 30YDS 799AVG 26.6
Analysis: Devin reminds me of another Smith: Torrey Smith, the deep threat in the Baltimore Ravens' passing attack. Devin Smith is the best vertical route-runner in college football, as he does an excellent job of tracking the ball and using his body to establish positioning. He was at his best with Cardale Jones at QB because Jones had the arm to maximize Smith's vertical ability. While he's undoubtedly a home-run hitter, Smith needs to improve as a short and intermediate route-runner.

25. Shaq ThompsonCOLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 224POS: OLB
Analysis: Thompson is undersized for an outside linebacker (he will never be a strong take-on guy), but he makes up for that with excellent speed and athleticism. His credentials as an outstanding athlete were on full display this season, as the Huskies have used him extensively at running back, where he has thrived, but he projects as a defender at the next level. He has sideline-to-sideline range against the run and very good coverage skills, and he is a fundamentally sound and reliable tackler, with the ability to deliver a big hit.

26. Trae WaynesCOLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 182POS: CB

27. Todd GurleyCOLLEGE: GeorgiaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 230POS: RB
2014-15 STATSYDS 911YPC 7.4TD 9

28. Jaelen StrongCOLLEGE: Arizona StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 212POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 75YDS 1062AVG 14.2

29. Malcom BrownCOLLEGE: TexasClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 317POS: DT

30. A J CannCOLLEGE: South CarolinaClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: OG

31. Andrus PeatCOLLEGE: StanfordClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT

32. Kevin JohnsonCOLLEGE: Wake ForestClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 175POS: CB

 

[Lucky]

22Cedric OgbuehiCOLLEGE: Texas A&MClass: SrHT: 6-5WT: 300POS: OT

#22 after the ACL injury? I don't think so.

 

[thunderkyss]

1/15 Top 32

Very interesting how he has both Winston & Mariota ranked in respect to their draft class, compared to how he had Bridgewater & Bortles ranked in respect to their's.

However, I think it's strange that Bortles & Manziel cracked last years "top 32" but Hundley, Petty, nor Grayson makes this year's.

 

[Lucky]

However, I think it's strange that Bortles & Manziel cracked last years "top 32" but Hundley, Petty, nor Grayson makes this year's.

McShay will have about 5 or 6 more "Top 32" lists before it's said and done. Collect them all!

 

[thunderkyss]

It's also interesting seeing how these grades have changed over the course of the season.

1/15 Top 32

1. Leonard WilliamsCOLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE
   
   4. Leonard Williams​
2. Jameis WinstonCOLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB 2014-15 STATSYDS 3559TD 24INT 17
   
   7. Jameis Winston​
3. Shane RayCOLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE
   
   10. Shane Ray​
4. Amari CooperCOLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR
   2014-15 STATSREC 115YDS 1656AVG 14.4
   
   5. Amari Cooper​
5. Randy GregoryCOLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE
   
   3. Randy Gregory​
6. Marcus MariotaCOLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
   2014-15 STATSYDS 3783TD 38INT 2
   
   1. Marcus Mariota​
7. Brandon ScherffCOLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT
   2014-15 STATSGP 0
   
   9. Brandon Scherff ​
8. Danny SheltonCOLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-1WT: 332POS: DT
   
   29. Danny Shelton, DT​
9. Devante ParkerCOLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR
   2014-15 STATSREC 35YDS 735AVG 21
   
   16. DeVante Parker​
10. Landon CollinsCOLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S
    
    15. Landon Collins​

 

[nero THE zero]

Agreed. A ILB that can cover backs and TE's, a ball hawking S (prewitt?) and a speedy WR are our biggest needs, IMO

Really? Are we just punting the QB position or what? Running the veer?

 

[pirbroke]

Really? Are we just punting the QB position or what? Running the veer?

Will, Punter Lechler was our backup QB for a game. So yes.

 

[JB]

Really? Are we just punting the QB position or what? Running the veer?

I don't think we'll draft a QB this year. Post was about the draft

 

[TEXANRED]

#22 after the ACL injury? I don't think so.

Sounds like a perfect fit for the Texans. We will draft him, put him on the PUP and IR him by seasons end.

 

[mussop]

Really? Are we just punting the QB position or what? Running the veer?

Of course everyone knows QB should be the pick IF there is a worthy one available. If you were keeping up with the draft you would know that as of now it doesn't look like there will be one available where we are currently picking. It also appears that the only two that are (questionable) worth a first round pick are way out of our range.

So when you see guys that are draft nicks leaving QB out of first round conversation it's not that they don't see the need for one. It's that they realize it's not a realistic possibility that we have a chance to get one at that point that is worthy.

 

[Playoffs]

Updated Top 32 NFL prospects

1Leonard WilliamsCOLLEGE: USCClass: JrHT: 6-5WT: 290POS: DE

2Jameis WinstonCOLLEGE: Florida StateClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: QB
2014-15 STATSYDS 3559TD 24INT 17

3Shane RayCOLLEGE: MissouriClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 240POS: DE

4Randy GregoryCOLLEGE: NebraskaClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 245POS: DE

5Amari CooperCOLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 115YDS 1656AVG 14.4

6Marcus MariotaCOLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 211POS: QB
2014-15 STATSYDS 3783TD 38INT 2

7Danny SheltonCOLLEGE: WashingtonClass: SrHT: 6-1WT: 332POS: DT
Analysis: Shelton was our highest-ranked player at last week's Senior Bowl, and while he didn't dominate in practices the way we thought he might, he is so good as a run-stuffer in the middle of the line. He is on the shorter side with a wide, thick and powerful frame, and does an excellent job of occupying blocks. He's a better athlete than most nose tackles, which was on display during practices when he was able to push the pocket and force quarterbacks to move off their spot.

8Devante ParkerCOLLEGE: LouisvilleClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 207POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 35YDS 735AVG 21
Analysis: Parker has an above-average size-speed combo with the ability to run under the deep ball and make defenders miss, and to pick up extra yards after the catch. He has good separation skills and can pluck the ball out of the air and make over-the-shoulder catches. After missing the first seven games of the season due to a foot injury, he exploded back onto the season, finishing the year with 42 catches for 855 yards (19.9 YPC) and five touchdowns in just six games.

9Arik ArmsteadCOLLEGE: OregonClass: JrHT: 6-7WT: 285POS: DE

10Brandon ScherffCOLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 320POS: OT
2014-15 STATSGP 0

11Andrus PeatCOLLEGE: StanfordClass: JrHT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT
Analysis: Peat has the ideal physical tools you look for in a starting NFL left tackle. He displays good length, a strong anchor, a powerful upper body and excellent overall agility in pass protection. As a run-blocker, he has the power base to drive defenders off the ball. On tape, his football instincts appear to be good, and he flashes a nasty side on occasion. Consistency is a concern.

12Kevin WhiteCOLLEGE: West VirginiaClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 211POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 102YDS 1318AVG 12.9
Analysis: White was a late-riser in part because this was just his second full season at West Virginia, having transferred from Lackawana College in January 2013. He has mid-4.4 speed to go with his excellent size for the position, and while he is a little tight in his movement skills and will need time to develop more as a route-runner, he has natural instincts when it comes to separating when the ball is in the air. White has the quickness and strength needed to beat the press and is a vertical threat who is also dangerous after the catch.

13Dante Fowler Jr.COLLEGE: FloridaClass: JrHT: 6-2WT: 271POS: DE
Analysis: Fowler is a big and strong edge-setter in the run game who has really good striking ability as a tackler and the ability to jar the ball loose with his long arms. He has growth potential as a pass-rusher but lacks elite physical traits and isn't yet a polished finisher. He does have above-average first-step quickness for his size, and in particular has flashed some effectiveness as an inside rusher at nose tackle or a 3-technique in nickel and dime packages.

14Landon CollinsCOLLEGE: AlabamaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 212POS: S
Analysis: Collins is a really impressive athlete for a safety with his compact build, quick feet and good body control in coverage. He's a good open-field tackler who plays with a chip on his shoulder, and while he can look a bit lost at times (including taking some poor angles when the ball is in the air), he has impressive ball skills to go with good length, leaping ability and hand-eye coordination.

15Melvin GordonCOLLEGE: WisconsinClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 207POS: RB
2014-15 STATSYDS 2336YPC 7.6TD 26

16Ereck FlowersCOLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: JrHT: 6-6WT: 325POS: OT
Analysis: Flowers has a massive frame that allows him to recover in pass protection and open up lanes in the running game, along with above-average agility and a quick first step for his size. His football instincts are good overall, he takes good angles, he plays with an edge and has excellent intangibles.

17Eddie GoldmanCOLLEGE: Florida StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 315POS: DT
Analysis: Goldman is a former top-rated recruit who really put it all together this season. He has a thick build, moves well and can be overpowering for blockers. I thought he was the Seminoles' best player this season on a very talented defense.

18Marcus PetersCOLLEGE: WashingtonClass: JrHT: 5-11WT: 193POS: CB
Analysis: Peters was dismissed from the Washington program earlier this season after having been held out of games on more than one occasion for behavioral issues. Obviously, NFL teams are going to want to take a closer look at the reasons for his dismissal. But in terms of his talent, he has prototypical size for the cornerback position to go with above-average top-end speed. He gets into trouble in coverage on occasion because of a lack of proper footwork and technique, but makes up for it with good athleticism and fluidity, and he's effective in press technique because of his physicality.

19T J ClemmingsCOLLEGE: PittsburghClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 313POS: OT

20Trae WaynesCOLLEGE: Michigan StateClass: JrHT: 6-1WT: 182POS: CB
Analysis: Waynes has good length and speed for the cornerback position, and is at his best in a press-man or Cover 2 role. He has above-average field awareness and can track the ball well and maintain good position in coverage. He's also willing to come up in run support and is a sure open-field tackler.

21Vic BeasleyCOLLEGE: ClemsonClass: SrHT: 6-2WT: 220POS: DE

22Devin FunchessCOLLEGE: MichiganClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 62YDS 733AVG 11.8

23Todd GurleyCOLLEGE: GeorgiaClass: JrHT: 6-0WT: 230POS: RB
2014-15 STATSYDS 911YPC 7.4TD 9

24Devin SmithCOLLEGE: Ohio StateClass: SrHT: 6-0WT: 199POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 30YDS 799AVG 26.6

25La'El CollinsCOLLEGE: LSUClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 324POS: OT

26Denzel PerrymanCOLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: SrHT: 5-11WT: 248POS: ILB
Analysis: Perryman's Senior Bowl week was cut short due to an injury, but he flashed as the best linebacker in attendance when he was out there on the field. We've really liked what we've seen on tape of him so far, as he has very good instincts, closing burst and tackling ability.

27Maxx WilliamsCOLLEGE: MinnesotaClass: SophHT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE
2014-15 STATSREC 29YDS 471AVG 16.2
Analysis: Williams bears some similarities to Greg Olsen. He is very talented with a great size-speed ratio, and he is expected to test off the charts in terms of measurements and athletic ability. His father played in the NFL, so he has the bloodlines. He is one of the more underrated prospects in this class right now.

28Carl DavisCOLLEGE: IowaClass: SrHT: 6-4WT: 318POS: DT
Analysis: The issue with Davis previously has been his inconsistency, as his effort has been up and down. But he is a very impressive physical talent, with good quickness and athleticism for his size, and that was on display during the Senior Bowl practices last week. He moved up our board based on his performance, and has good upside as an interior pass-rusher in addition to being stout versus the run.

29Jaelen StrongCOLLEGE: Arizona StateClass: JrHT: 6-3WT: 212POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 75YDS 1062AVG 14.2
Analysis: Strong had a very good season, and his combination of production (82 catches, 1,165 yards, 14.2 YPC, 10 TDs) and physical tools is going to be intriguing to NFL teams. He has very good ball skills, with a big catch radius and the ability to make contested catches in traffic.

30Malcom BrownCOLLEGE: TexasClass: SrHT: 6-3WT: 317POS: DT
Analysis: Brown is a 320-pounder with an impressive combination of quickness and power who played all along the line of scrimmage for the Longhorns. He's versatile, very disruptive and has a good motor.

31Dorial Green-BeckhamCOLLEGE: OklahomaClass: JrHT: 6-4WT: 225POS: WR

32Phillip DorsettCOLLEGE: Miami (FL)Class: SrHT: 5-10WT: 182POS: WR
2014-15 STATSREC 31YDS 826AVG 26.6
Analysis: Dorsett had the best week of any prospect at the Senior Bowl, and he made a big move up our draft board (and likely the draft boards of many NFL teams) as a result. He is one of the fastest players in this entire draft class, with the ability to accelerate out of cuts that all of the elite NFL big-play threats have, but he also shows the ability to gear down and get quickly in and out of breaks and separate from coverage.

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[nero THE zero]

Of course everyone knows QB should be the pick IF there is a worthy one available. If you were keeping up with the draft you would know that as of now it doesn't look like there will be one available where we are currently picking. It also appears that the only two that are (questionable) worth a first round pick are way out of our range.

So when you see guys that are draft nicks leaving QB out of first round conversation it's not that they don't see the need for one. It's that they realize it's not a realistic possibility that we have a chance to get one at that point that is worthy.

I was replying to a post that said that ILB, S and WR were out biggest needs. If everyone knows that QB is our greatest need, that poster did a poor job communicating that by leaving the QB position off his list of our greatest needs.

Regarding the draft, it is entirely too early to make such a definitive statement. History is littered with circumstances, including as soon as last year, where QB's "unexpectedly" fell or rised to our current draft position from this point in time. And that doesn't consider trades. It'd be awfully shortsighted to blithely dismiss a QB in the first round for us.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Our draft position is a good spot to look at one of these second tier QBs. Assuming we get our pick of everyone except Winston and Mariota, we will be in a good position to get a guy we like. I actually expect us to take a Hundley, Grayson, or whomever OB likes the most with our first round pick. We aren't so high that we will feel obligated to consider the value of a top 5 player, and we aren't so low that we will be picking from a depleted list of QBs.

 

[thunderkyss]

Regarding the draft, it is entirely too early to make such a definitive statement. History is littered with circumstances, including as soon as last year, where QB's "unexpectedly" fell or rised to our current draft position from this point in time. And that doesn't consider trades. It'd be awfully shortsighted to blithely dismiss a QB in the first round for us.

Does anyone remember how Jay Cutler was "graded" going into the 2006 draft?

Was I the only one surprised that a team would trade up to get him at 11?

 

[ObsiWan]

Does anyone remember how Jay Cutler was "graded" going into the 2006 draft?

Was I the only one surprised that a team would trade up to get him at 11?

"Jaws" and Steve Young had Cutler rated as the best QB of 2006; better than VY and Leinart. At the time, I was surprised Tennessee didn't take the hometown boy from Vandy. But Bud had his heart set on VY.

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Edit: Having grown up in Nashville I know that Vandy was a perennial SEC doormat. So for a Vandy QB to be on the national radar he had to be seriously ballin'.

 

[mussop]

I was replying to a post that said that ILB, S and WR were out biggest needs. If everyone knows that QB is our greatest need, that poster did a poor job communicating that by leaving the QB position off his list of our greatest needs.

Regarding the draft, it is entirely too early to make such a definitive statement. History is littered with circumstances, including as soon as last year, where QB's "unexpectedly" fell or rised to our current draft position from this point in time. And that doesn't consider trades. It'd be awfully shortsighted to blithely dismiss a QB in the first round for us.

"As of now" is a definitive statement? I'm just saying that at this point in time there is no QB prospect that has stepped up and proved worthy of a high first round pick. At this stage of the process there just isn't anyone worth taking at 16 unless one of the top two guys fall far enough for us to trade up.

 

[Lucky]

Does anyone remember how Jay Cutler was "graded" going into the 2006 draft?

Was I the only one surprised that a team would trade up to get him at 11?

Most mocks had Cutler going to Arizona at 10. The Raiders passing on Leinart was the surprise.