McNair is as bad as his coach & GM.

[touttail]

Add to that the joy of not having to be confronted by obese people all the time

What's up with this??????? My friend, not everyone in this world is skinny, so you better get used to it! You have to get along with all people, not just the ones you want to select!

bobby 119C:brickwall

 

[aj.]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34
I for one don't mind if Mcnair has the measure twice and cut once approach.

I like that analogy! I may repeat that from time to time

As oppposed to others in the org who seem to measure with a mike, mark it with chalk, and cut it with an axe?









Note: mike = industry term for micrometer, a precision measuring device

 

[Texans_Chick]

ROTFLMAO!!! If I had to pick the top 10 posts of all time in the forum, I think you'd easily have 4-5 of them just for the humor alone. Classic, Texans_Chick, and thanks for the smiles.

With this sort of season, if I'm not laughing, I'm gonna cry and there's no crying in football.

Although I will say I don't much care for making jokes at the Texans expense, though I suppose sometimes the jokes tend to make themselves. Just never been a big believer in kicking people when they are down.

Thanks again for the kind words.

 

[billtxus]

You fire Capers now because he has lost credibility and because Bob needs to show the fans that he is sick of the incompetance on the field. During the preseason Dom kept saying "wait until the season starts and we will start playing decent" Anyone who knows anything could see how awful this team was playing in the preseason and the real season was going to start out badly. It started out WORSE than the preseason because the incompetance went on for a full game.

Now we have last Sunday's debacle, the coaches on both offense and defense stop playing agressively the second half, we have players who took off their tape before the last touchdown of the 4th quarter thinking the game was over. They had no chance in overtime, they had mentally left the game. Coleman intercepts and fumbles a ball he should have knocked down, Robinson is playing 15 yards off a guy on 4th and 8.

Of course the players are on the field, but the coaches could have done a lot of things to win Sunday's game.

Put in a caretaker, play the backups to find out who can play, and send the fans and team a message that the incompetance will not be tolerated. Dom is not going to be looking at players for next year, he knows there is no next year.

If we wait until the offseason, maybe hire a new coach, but without the impact of sending a message of what won't be tolerated by the owner. So will get the usual platitudes about giving the new guy some time and still wondering if Bob knows how to run a team.

 

[GP]

I'm still 50-50 on whether Bob McNair is going to be a good owner or not.

I have to see it to believe it. Some of what Nighthawk says, I can sort of relate to: If the guy is such a good businessman...why does he not get rid of the dead weight? It's a very legitimate question if you ask me. In any other line of work, a guy like Capers would have been gone QUICKLY. So why the good sportsmanship?

To me, there's two types of owners: Business owners and Hobby owners. A Business owner will keep his team's cap down, and he really cares about the profitability of the team...nickel and diming everyone to make a profit. You have that sort of ownership with the NBA's Clippers, whose owner is a famous tightwad and will NOT pay the bucks for great players, he's only concerned about turning a profit.

A Hobby owner is someone like Daniel Snyder who will spend whatever it takes to get what he feels is the best chance at a title. Yes, it hasn't worked out well for Snyder...but as a fan, which do you want as an owner? A tightwad or an ATM machine?

Hopefully Mcnair is a little bit of both. However, I have to admit that seeing the moves this team has made: Getting Buchanon and giving away draft picks, Being under the cap by how many millions of dollars?, and Not getting Orlando Pace to protect your "franchise QB's" backside, and many other penny pinching moves in terms of personnel, you gotta' scratch your head a little bit and think what if this is the best that it gets? Are we in store for another decade-long run of the Astros Part II where only recently do you see the tightfisted owner open up a little to really make a run at the title?

I can't bash McNair just yet, but this offseason will prove to me just how much of a "real" chance this team will ever have in terms of seriously contending for a title. Can't exactly say that I feel confident in his ownership as things currently stand.

 

[Nighthawk]

Really, guys, I'm not bashing McNair. I'm just saying he should fire Capers and Casserly and start the public hunt for a replacement while at the same time trying out a lot of players who Capers and Casserly won't play for personal reasons (I guess), first among which is Ragone, for example. Armstrong (though he's getting a little more time), and what's'isname, the kick return guy who should be getting WR time to help him get better, to help the Texans get better.

All's I'm saying is this goose is cooked and let's get it outta the oven. If McNair were a little less cautious it would benefit the team to have Capers and Casserly gone, the "new situation" clearly established (though without the new coach and GM just yet), and start off on the future of the club. Who is way down on the depth chart who should be seen in the games? Who is there to be discovered? WHo might just blossom if thrown into the real games?

We have an opportunity here, and the opportunity is being missed because the owner is being cautious, sort of Capers-like, playing not to lose, when he could open things up.
Nobody has successfully or persuasively argued the case for NOT FIRING Capers and Casserly now. What could possibly be the reason?

The only reason I'm thinking of, which few on the board have sussed out, is that McNair may be thinking of NOT FIRING Capers, or Casserly, or both of them.

THAT is a terrifying thought. All just IMHO, naturally.

 

[Wolf]

i'd like to see them gone too.. but who are you going to bring in? College season is still going, nfl season is still going.. All coaches that would be worth interim are either a) with our team now or B) no one wanted them before the season started.. or the very last choice bring someone out of retirement..

it is slim pickings right now..

 

[Texans_Chick]

I'm still 50-50 on whether Bob McNair is going to be a good owner or not.

I have to see it to believe it. Some of what Nighthawk says, I can sort of relate to: If the guy is such a good businessman...why does he not get rid of the dead weight? It's a very legitimate question if you ask me. In any other line of work, a guy like Capers would have been gone QUICKLY. So why the good sportsmanship?

......Hopefully Mcnair is a little bit of both. However, I have to admit that seeing the moves this team has made: Getting Buchanon and giving away draft picks, Being under the cap by how many millions of dollars?, and Not getting Orlando Pace to protect your "franchise QB's" backside, and many other penny pinching moves in terms of personnel, you gotta' scratch your head a little bit and think what if this is the best that it gets? Are we in store for another decade-long run of the Astros Part II where only recently do you see the tightfisted owner open up a little to really make a run at the title?

I can't bash McNair just yet, but this offseason will prove to me just how much of a "real" chance this team will ever have in terms of seriously contending for a title. Can't exactly say that I feel confident in his ownership as things currently stand.

My splanation. It may not be the right splanation but its how I've seen it. This is a weird season for the team. High expectations. Ugly preseason, but sometimes that doesn't translate--though in our case it did. Our early season schedule has been absolutely brutal--one of the hardest in the league.

What gets you fired pretty quick is when you lose to a bunch of dog teams. So, if our season was reversed, with the easy teams up front, and we lost to them, it might have got Capers canned quick.

What happened is early in the season our QB kept getting killed, and our O looked terrible. The defense looked bad too but you wondered how much of that was being on the field after so many 3 and outs. Palmer gets sacked because there was another reasonable option in the fold--Pendry. He gets a bit of rope because it takes a bit of time to figure out stuff but even still, the Texans face a bunch of tough Ds.

Injuries injuries injuries to key players during a rough part of the schedule make it kinda harsh to nix your coach too. (Yeah, every team has injuries, but all our rookie starters and players new to the team, the Texans have about as much depth as Jessica Simpson).

So, by the time you get to the easier parts of the schedule, it gets kinda pointless to can the head coach because you really don't have anyone better to step in. McNair said it plainly in the Chronic--you replace when you have a better replacement. Personally, I still think the team is playing hard for the coaches, but a team has to be a team--everybody has to do their part and play together and when the parts fail, it don't look so pretty. A play here or there really makes a difference.

So, that is my sum up to date. Why a reasonable person might have made the decision to keep pat until the end of the season. I don't think it has anything to do with class or good sportsmanship, but rather not knowing if the team was playing poorly due the competition faced or because of injuries or because of the scheme. And by the time the writing was on the wall, it was kinda pointless to make a change. Cuz it wouldn't really accomplish much.

As for the offseason moves, it is easy to slam them in retrospect, but at the time, a lot of folks were pretty excited about them.

Pbuc--just look at some of the old threads. It was a demonstration that the Texans were concerned with shoring up the dbs. They took a risk, and the risk did not pan out. Heck, 790am was so excited about that pickup they gave Pbuc his own radio show.

Orlando Pace--The Texans tried to get him. We couldn't stop the Rams from matching. Riley wasn't the answer, but the Texans were trying to find what they could get. Starting LT don't fall outta trees, but if they did, they would leave really big craters in the ground, I suppose.

"Penny Pinching Personnel"--I am not sure we will know the whole story with why different people were hired or not hired, but if you look at who we have on our coaching/draft staff, we have a good number of people who have experienced success throughout the league. Folks might want to call them castoffs, but if you coach long enough, most people get canned. It is just the deal.

Staying Flexible Under the Cap--That is a Casserly thing, not a McNair thing.

I haven't seen too many examples of Mr. McNair being tight fisted--in fact, more often than not, I've seen him demonstrate a great willingness to spend money to make money and a great personal generousity. (Katrina relief, for example).

Obviously, it is early in his history as an owner, but throwing him under the bus as a cheapskate owner--well, I don't see it. At the end of the season, we may not end up getting the coach we want but I am guessing it won't be because the wheelbarrow of money wasn't there--it just may be that nobody of note wants to take the risks inherent with dealing with a baby franchise.

 

[sakebomb]

He doesn't have to fire anyone right now for me to feel better. I know it's coming just like the coaching staff does. It's only a few weeks away. Be patient.

Matt Millen fired Mariucci in hopes of saving his own job. Plain and simple.

 

[billtxus]

You are right. We will learn more about what Bob knows about football over the next six months, than we have over the past 4 years. Its easy to be an owner when things look to be on schedule. This season demonstrated how weak the GM and coaches are.

I never saw a team play as badly as this team did in the preseason. There were a couple of games when every posession with Carr on the field were three and outs. To try and then explain it away as the preseason was insulting. I never saw a team play as badly as it did the first couple of games of the season.

So Bob has to figure out, why were the first three seasons reasonably successful and this one a cluster ******? And what to do about it. If he panics like the coaches apparently did in the offseason he could make matters worse and delay rebuilding a couple of years. If he is just smart enough he may be able to recover some of the previous year's success and not have to start completely over. That is his challenge.