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Mack Brown to step down this week

Playoffs said:
He's gave UT some pretty good memories. He's got an ego. He got his feelings hurt. He's imperfect. He's human.
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I can agree with that. Fair assessment. That doesn't excuse him from doing everything possible to sabotage a Sabin hiring just because he didn't like being pushed out. And this constant whining of firing HC's that are under performing and calling it classless and tasteless from fans is gag worthy though. These guys have great jobs where they are paid extremely well. When they are winning they are treated like gods. When they are losing, not so much. That's part of the job and what they sign up for. They're doing what they love to do. The reality is that you can and will get fired most likely one day. There are always these fans that cry and weep no matter how is goes down and somehow act like the HC is being assaulted and forced to walk around with no clothes or something with the way they criticize a team or a school for pulling the plug on a guy. The reality is that UT has been extremely generous to Mack Brown. A lot more generous than most Universities would have been. This nature of shaming an organization every time they go in another direction just wreaks of a soft mentality of wanting to reward mediocrity.
 
Apparently Mack Brown took a big shot at Chip Brown for reporting the story initially of Mack being pushed out and at "Orangebloods" website as a big reason for the way things happened. This was on the OB website a little while ago. Here is a quote from Jeff Ketchum (Longhorns insider and site admin) himself.



"In the final hours he believes that all of the anger from the BMDs was created by things written on this site.

Honestly, I don't think he totally understands the level of unrest that exists."

http://texas.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=500&tid=195858549&mid=195858549&sid=902&style=2

Not sure if folks can read the thread since it is a paid site that you have to have a paid account for through Rivals.com
 
Texecutioner said:
I disagree. It was reported that he was looking for a staff to bring to Austin. from a lot of reports on OB, it sounds like Mack got in the way of Sabin signing at Texas. Not surprised either. Mack didn't want a guy like Sabin to come in and win with his teams and show how badly he was underachieving with them. Mack's a pretty narcissistic and stubborn guy and always has been. People think he is all class because of how he speaks and carries himself in front of the cameras, but he has done a lot of things over the years that put himself over the team's success.
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I don't trust any of these "reports" that have come from the Texas paysites in the last few months. These bloggers have egg all over their faces. They either don't have "inside sources" and are charging people money just to read their speculation, or they have inside sources who aren't worth paying for.

Texecutioner said:
How? The boosters are the ones that "kept" Mack Brown there way to long. The boosters were the ones that graciously allowed Mack to keep his job when he couldn't win the BIG 12 all of those years before VY finally owned the entire NCAA. The boosters helped for Mack to get that asinine extension a few years ago when he lost like 4 or 5 games and everyone around the country was like WTF??? The boosters loved Mack and were far to gracious and loyal to him. I have no idea how or why you were twisting this around and acting like they are the ones that screwed him. He wasn't screwed at all or let down. He was finally given his pink slip after 16 years and only two BIG 12 championships. He was given almost 2 decades.
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Kinda confused why you're jumping down my throat on this one. My post was a response to Stemp's point that Mack was untouchable because he had Joe Jamail in his corner. I realize that Jamail donates millions of dollars to the program but that does not buy him the right to be a decision maker. The Texas athletic department needs to take back control and stop letting boosters make decisions. We're on the same side on this one.
 
bah007 said:
I don't trust any of these "reports" that have come from the Texas paysites in the last few months. These bloggers have egg all over their faces. They either don't have "inside sources" and are charging people money just to read their speculation, or they have inside sources who aren't worth paying for.



Kinda confused why you're jumping down my throat on this one. My post was a response to Stemp's point that Mack was untouchable because he had Joe Jamail in his corner. I realize that Jamail donates millions of dollars to the program but that does not buy him the right to be a decision maker. The Texas athletic department needs to take back control and stop letting boosters make decisions. We're on the same side on this one.
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Not jumping down your throat buddy. On a board it may come off like that sometimes. Sorry if it seems that way. Just disputing your point that's all. My apologies if it comes off that way.
 
Texecutioner said:
Not jumping down your throat buddy. On a board it may come off like that sometimes. Sorry if it seems that way. Just disputing your point that's all. My apologies if it comes off that way.
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No biggie. Just wasn't sure if you were aware that my comment was directed to the Joe Jamail situation.
 
Texecutioner said:
Pretty shocking that you actually have the audacity to come in and speak on this subject after so many failed arguments over the years for Cookies. I've already had to repost your arguments before that fell flat and were dead wrong on Mack. Mack's 10 win seasons that he started out getting were some of the worst failed years for people that actually were analyzing the situations and the teams. Mack had way more talent than anyone, and never could win the BIG 12. He was known for being the most underachieving HC in college football that couldn't win the big game.

He totally ruined those teams that had Applewhite and Simms and caved into pressure to play Simms from political pressure knowing Applewhite was way better. He literally screwed Texas out of a National Championship opportunity against Colorado by allowing Simms to create like 5 turnovers in the first half where Applewhite almost made a comeback but it was to late. God, I will never forget that game. MACK should have been fired the next day. Longhorn fans that have actually paid attention for years will never forget that debacle. Mack ruined that chance for that team after Applewhite had shown all season he was a special player and that Simms was just an overrated talent that was the son of a pro player. Then his constant failures on offense with Greg Davis who was so easy to figure out for years by smart HC's where he hated throwing down the field. Mack even threatened to leave Texas when they were trying to force him to cut Greg Davis off the staff. His loyalty to Davis was stronger than his commitment to the team and to getting over the hump.

And if you knew anything about the BIG 12 around that time, Oklahoma was the only school close to them in talent and Mack was known as Bob's whipping boy for years until VY came along and saved Mack's job. In the long run I always knew that would be a problem that would come back to haunt them. Then Muschamp ignited the team just enough to help McCoy have some success his last two seasons, because in his first two Texas was back to having horrible failures in games they were supposed to win. If VY and Muschamp would have never come along Mack wouldn't have ever gotten anywhere. Once Muschamp was gone, most Longhorn fans knew it was going to get ugly again and it did.

Hell, try talking to some Oklahoma fans. I have for years and they all love Mack Brownand you know why? He has always been a punchline amongst the top rivals of Texas. NO ONE has ever wanted Mack gone from other schools and that should tell even the worst of Mack's supporters the obvious. fans from rival schools have always known that if Texas had a great HC to go with all of that talent, that they would be crazy scary. But with Mack, no one really worried.




I could care less about what he did at NC. I'm talking about his tenure at Texas. ANd you have no clue how I would judge the next HC. All you know is how I have judged Mack and Kubiak and both have been inept in all sorts of areas. Mack subsequently got a NC because he had arguably the best college football player of all time who completely dominated the entire NCAA. MACK and Davis both admitted that they had to "stop" coaching VY for him to have success which is one of the craziest things I've heard any HC say. The announcers at the time used to make jokes that VY "Mack Brown Proofed" his team. Lol! Hell, and even before that he played that god awful CHANCE MOCK over VY. Lol! Chance managed to lose a game or two that season as well which sort of slowed down VY's development at the time. Mock had no business ever being the starter over VY. Typical situation that showed that Mack had never learned from his last debacle with Simms and Applewhite.




I'll totally agree with you that Mack Brown did a great job at resurrecting the program to where it was with Malcovich. I'll give him that all day. He did that with recruiting top players in Texas though. He brought in tons of top tier talent from year to year, but it was never due to his coaching from game day valuations and adjustments at halftime. He got them back to being talked about where a lot of players wanted to go there, but he was awful at coaching them. Ask Jamal Charles and Jermichael Finley who both left early because they didn't feel like they were used correctly.

It wasn't until the last couple of years where it was blatant that the man had to go. He had this team in contention most other years. His assistants let him down and he became too old where he really didn't have the hands on approach that he should've had.. which is why it's time to resign. But don't be surprised if the next guy falls flat on his face and doesn't come close to what Texas had the past 10 seasons with Brown. Lets not sit here and act like he did a piss poor job.. because he didn't. He only accumulated the second most wins in school history as a head coach.

It was only blatant to the tea sip homers like yourself who got all caught up in those 10 win seasons, but failed to watch and understand how badly him and Davis were botching the potential of the team. The endless coddling and blind loyalty to certain players like Simms, Scott Derry, Bobino, Killebrew, Gideon, and countless others. The same crap that Kubiak always had a problem with. Fans across the country always laughed about Texas because of Mack's ability to coach in the big games and how "uninspired" the team would look especially in the majority of those Red River Shootout games. HOW MANY BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIPS DID MACK WIN WITH ALL OF THAT TALENT? TWO!!!!! He won two in 16 years!!! How do you have all of those 10 win seasons, but only two BIG 12 championships to show for it?? That right there ought to smack you dead in the brain for underachieving when it mattered most, but apparently you have always liked the guy for who you think he is off the field than for who he is as a HC.

Depending on who Texas gets as a HC next and what talent he has and acquires and what those circumstances are will be how I judge the next HC. Mack typically had a top 5 rosters almost every year at Texas and most fans across the country knew he would somehow screw it all up other than the years when VY was there.
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Tex.. all I had to do was read your first sentence (didn't read the rest of your drivel) to know that you are full of ****.. which is the norm with most of your posts which is why you always fly off the handle and attack posters. "The audacity on most of my arguments" LMAO, please post them (seriously.. post them, because this will be another example where you're full of it). This is coming from the moron who suggests that Rex Ryan is a great head coach. Whoops.. what was that? A "failed argument" that you made, and you have had MANY of them over the years. LOL You need to get over yourself, seriously. The way you attack people just makes you look like a complete ass.
 
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Stemp said:
Mack had Jamail and powers in his corner. There is no way they were going to fire him. All Mack wanted to do (if be couldnt keep he job) was delay long enough to block Saban.
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Saban was never coming here.. that was a pipe dream. He only used the Texas job as leverage to extend another contract, which he's been able to do almost every other year. Saban signed his extension before Mack even left and even if he did leave, the guy was never going to come coach at this school. Being HC at Alabama is bigger than being HC at Texas
 
Carr Bombed said:
Tex.. all I had to do was read your first sentence (didn't read the rest of your drivel) to know that you are full of ****.. which is the norm with most of your posts which is why you always fly off the handle and attack posters. "The audacity on most of my arguments" LMAO, please post them (seriously.. post them, because this will be another example where you're full of it). This is coming from the moron who suggests that Rex Ryan is a great head coach. Whoops.. what was that? A "failed argument" that you made, and you have had MANY of them over the years. LOL You need to get over yourself, seriously. The way you attack people just makes you look like a complete ass.
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It was just an observation. I feel your frustration. Mack is gone now though, and this team can turn around and get a new look.
 
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