HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
Sorry, I am not buying it. The way to beat opponents is to OUTSCORE them. Why in the heck are we going this direction THIS year? I sure hope it is a good thing, but I think we went entirely the wrong direction here. :brickwall
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M Williams & D Ryans over R Bush & W Justice
- Thread starter HomeBred_Texan
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no the way to beat an opponent is to score more points than them. And a good defense allows you to do that.
(see..that argument could go either way).
People forget that we had a pretty dang good offense in 03,04.. it wasnt until last year that things got bad. The players are there to have a great offense..we just need better coaching..and we got that.
(see..that argument could go either way).
People forget that we had a pretty dang good offense in 03,04.. it wasnt until last year that things got bad. The players are there to have a great offense..we just need better coaching..and we got that.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
Neither am I. Now to be fair we had no idea that Justice would have been there but jesus adding both Bush and Justice could give you an offense that is like the Colts but on steriods. Because adding Justice with what we have already done this season would give a more then adequate O_Line and then you add in all the offensive weapons and you could possibly run up score like a college game. No defense could possibly contain that kind of offense an entire game.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
HomeBred_Texan said:
The jags turned their franchise around in this conference and THIS SAME EXACT DIVISION not by outscoring oponents, but by shutting them down. The Bears advanced to the playoffs not by outscoring oponents, but by SHUTTING THEM DOWN.
.. that really makes these moves we are making seem great.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
reddfish said:
Great 1st post--thanks for interjecting some facts in the face of the hysteria.
BattleRedRaider
Rookie
reddfish said:
Now THAT'S the kind of 1st-posts I wanna see around here!
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Our offense is going to be very much improved. Just adding Kubiak and Calhoun itself will improve it. Not to mention that we got Eric Moulds and Jeb Putzier as offensive weapons. Our O-Line should also be improved just by the coaching. Adding Flanagan allows McKinney to move to LG which he is better at and Chester Pitts is a decent LT. He's not an All-Pro player, but he gets the job done. Winston Justice has some headcase issues. The Texans should get an offensive lineman in the 3rd round. Eric Winston or Jonathan Scott. Having Mike Sherman as our O-line coach also helps.
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
reddfish said:
Now this is my kinda Texan fan!!!!!
Great 1st!!!!Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Damn the Offensive Tackles are falling off the board
HomeBred_Texan said:
No, defense is the name of the game. The defense not only stops the other team from scoring, but creates turnovers to give your offense good field position. If you would look at the season last year when the Texans were winless, they also had zero turnovers! Get the correlation? A good defense is the best offense.
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
Bobo said:
You're trying to convince folks that play fantasy football. They don't seem to understand that in ANY sport the best defenses the team seems to do better.
GhostRaider2006
Waterboy
That is true but you have to have an adequate offense as well which we don't have right now either.Texas_Thrill said:
Texans Horror
All Pro
I think it will improve our defense, but I think having another year would together would have improved the defense. I thought we made some tremendous FA signings for defense, too, with Cowhart and Weaver.
But our offense? I checked it out the stats (per NFL.com):
30th place in total yards
27th in scoring and time of possession
30th in passing offense
and of course...68 sacks. 14 more than any other team.
My question then is what player have we added to the team who is going to help us get the ball to Putzier, Johnson, and Moulds. These guys can be the best catch-happies on the field, but if Carr can't get the ball to them, we can't score. And we are going to need more than Kris Brown to get points.
Flanigan was a great addition to the team, and we were heading in the right direction. But I think not taking Bush or an OT is really detrimental to the team.
But our offense? I checked it out the stats (per NFL.com):
30th place in total yards
27th in scoring and time of possession
30th in passing offense
and of course...68 sacks. 14 more than any other team.
My question then is what player have we added to the team who is going to help us get the ball to Putzier, Johnson, and Moulds. These guys can be the best catch-happies on the field, but if Carr can't get the ball to them, we can't score. And we are going to need more than Kris Brown to get points.
Flanigan was a great addition to the team, and we were heading in the right direction. But I think not taking Bush or an OT is really detrimental to the team.
texanskan
Waterboy
Mark it down.
4-29-06 is gonna be a day that sets this organization back 10 years.
I hope I am dead wrong and we bring it but I don't trust this aggy and yankee that we got running the show.
It's a shame everything looked on track until last year and then **** hit the fan and today has been the worst.
4-29-06 is gonna be a day that sets this organization back 10 years.
I hope I am dead wrong and we bring it but I don't trust this aggy and yankee that we got running the show.
It's a shame everything looked on track until last year and then **** hit the fan and today has been the worst.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
We could argue this until the cows come home. I won't give in, sorry.
You think INDY got to where they are by drafting both sides of the ball all the time? I don't think so. And if you want to take Chicago over Indy or even San Diego in a game heads up, let me know. I have some change sitting around that I can bet with. This draft was deep in offensive weapons and we could have taken full advantage of that. But we didn't. And we will suffer because of it.
I am a season ticket holder and have never missed a game. I don't even boo when we are doing lame plays last year with Capers. But I can't sit by and not speak my mind about passing over offensive weapons like we have this year. We could have went from mediocre to explosive in a heart beat. Heck, we could have drafted both Bush and White, USC's entire backfield......
When I go to a game, I want to see some action.. It's not like I am at home and can get up and switch channels to another game. I just seriously think we have blown it and could have done much much better drafting this year than what we have.
Do you know that with a draft this deep with quality starters, that allot of good football players will be cut before the season starts and we could have gotten them for defense?
Sorry, but the defense wins championships dog just doesnt hunt with me...
Or at least until you have a dang good offense to go along with it...
You think INDY got to where they are by drafting both sides of the ball all the time? I don't think so. And if you want to take Chicago over Indy or even San Diego in a game heads up, let me know. I have some change sitting around that I can bet with. This draft was deep in offensive weapons and we could have taken full advantage of that. But we didn't. And we will suffer because of it.
I am a season ticket holder and have never missed a game. I don't even boo when we are doing lame plays last year with Capers. But I can't sit by and not speak my mind about passing over offensive weapons like we have this year. We could have went from mediocre to explosive in a heart beat. Heck, we could have drafted both Bush and White, USC's entire backfield......
When I go to a game, I want to see some action.. It's not like I am at home and can get up and switch channels to another game. I just seriously think we have blown it and could have done much much better drafting this year than what we have.
Do you know that with a draft this deep with quality starters, that allot of good football players will be cut before the season starts and we could have gotten them for defense?
Sorry, but the defense wins championships dog just doesnt hunt with me...
Or at least until you have a dang good offense to go along with it...
T
thunderchicken
Guest
From nfl.com:
2004 stats:
Ranked 2nd in Points per game: KC
Ranked 29th in Points allowed per game: KC
Standings: KC 7-9
Putting up points doesn't mean a thing if you can't top the other team from putting up more. Just my 2 cents.
2004 stats:
Ranked 2nd in Points per game: KC
Ranked 29th in Points allowed per game: KC
Standings: KC 7-9
Putting up points doesn't mean a thing if you can't top the other team from putting up more. Just my 2 cents.
texplayer2
Waterboy
Bobo said:
We play in a Division with Patton, Byron Leftwich, and now Vince(which gives us a year or two) and you think our defense will dominate the games? We do not have enough firepower to compete. Some of the additions in Free agency will help, but I don't think our offense will improve enough.
BattleRedRaider
Rookie
texplayer2 said:
Who's Patton?
You mean Peyton.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
But this is exactly my point...thunderchicken said:
Now they have there offense set, they are drafting defense, which they should. When they shore up that side of the ball, look out for the Cheifs.. Get the picture?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
HomeBred_Texan said:
Actually this is regarded as one of the weakest offensive drafts in quite some time.
It is deep at RB (outside of RB, there really isn't another knockout prospect though, last year we had Benson, Cadillac, and Brown) and TE, but a TE isn't going to get more than maybe 4 to 5 rec. a game.
Nobody was clear exactly who was the clear cut #1 QB, that tells me that area was weak too
WR this year is as weak as it has been in years.
Olineman in this draft is strong though.
This however is one of the strongest Defensive drafts ever seen.
7 cornerbacks were taken in the first (tying a record) and teams are still pulling first round caliber secondary players out of the draft.
LB was as strong as its been in the past five years and Safety is deep this year.
Basically every defensive position is still going strong, while the offensive side is pretty much done.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
But we could have gotten some premier weapons. Bush, D Williams, Justice, Winston, TE's, and on and on.
But it's OK. We are gonna need defense now to chase them around the field all day.....
But it's OK. We are gonna need defense now to chase them around the field all day.....
Revolution
Rookie
HomeBred_Texan said:
I'm not understanding what you are saying. As previously stated, this is a strong defensive draft. The only position that is deep on the offensive side of the ball is offensive line and tight end. By the way, we did draft Eric Winston that you mentioned above. I would not touch Winston Justice. How could we have drafted Williams? We got much more bang for our buck in the first and second rounds by drafting defense.
DoCRoN
Waterboy
reddfish said:
That's not entirely accurate. We scored 11 fewer touchdowns in '05 than in '04. We allowed 11 more. Here are the TOTAL TD's for the last 2 years:
2004 TD's
Texans - 37
Opponents - 39
2005 TD's
Texans - 26
Opponents - 50
Note - these #'s include returns, INT's, etc, but those are minimal
Bullpen Drew
Rookie
reddfish said:
Makes sense to me!!
DBLR1
Practice Squad
Our defense lost us a lot of games last year and they are trying to fix it the right way....through the draft. Yeah I am upset that they passed on a once and a lifetime player in Reggie or Vince, but I would much rather see Peyton getting crushed! The Colts have proved that having a great offense equals wins and not the big ring. I think with Kubiak and the off season pick ups on the offensive side (which is the right way to go because you need proven players on that side of the ball), our offense will be much improved. Go Texans and I am behind you guys no matter what. All you fairweather fans can leave.....45N and 4 hours and you will feel right at home!!!!!
TheCD
Rookie
I'd just like to add in my two cents here.
First of all, everyone always compares great teams with the Colts, and with good reason. But where has the Colts' offensive capabilities gotten them? They've never gone to a Super Bowl despite having one of the best offenses of all time. The fact of the matter has been that when they get deep into the playoffs, eventually one of the other teams successfully utilizes the "Peyton Formula" that Belichick uses year in and year out in the playoffs to factor him out of the game.
An interesting fact I found was that we actually increased out sack total by 13 sacks last year from 24 to 37. But what appeared to me to be a glaring problem was that our opponents' offenses would be out on the field for long chunks of time just whittling our defense down. Plain and simply put ladies and gentlemen, that's not a defensive problem. That is a problem with the offense not taking it's time on the field and giving the defense time to rest. You can have all the impact players you could ever want, but if they're playing for 40 minutes a game, they'll give up big plays.
Now, the old addage that "defense wins championships" definitely has merit. Just look back to the Bucs and Ravens Super Bowls and you'll see what I mean. But the thing to understand is that it's not the ONLY way to win a championship (the Rams, for example). But you have to understand that every offense that is incredible and wins a title will always have an above average defense that doesn't get any coverage.
So what's my stance, you ask? Well, I was pro-Bush, I thought he could come in and change our offense for the better. But here's the reason why I think they didn't opt for him: We have so much money tied into Domanick Davis right now that getting another premier running back would lead us in a few year into the salary cap hell the Titans are still pulling themselves out of. And frankly, I'd rather see us get progressively better and have many shots at the title in a given period, rather that that one chance the Titans got. But I'll say this to those fans that are extremely disheartened...We gave both players a very in-depth look and decided that Reggie wasn't our guy. These guys are paid a hefty sum to get this right, and the people complaining on this board and around the league have likely never seen Mario or Reggie in person.
First of all, everyone always compares great teams with the Colts, and with good reason. But where has the Colts' offensive capabilities gotten them? They've never gone to a Super Bowl despite having one of the best offenses of all time. The fact of the matter has been that when they get deep into the playoffs, eventually one of the other teams successfully utilizes the "Peyton Formula" that Belichick uses year in and year out in the playoffs to factor him out of the game.
An interesting fact I found was that we actually increased out sack total by 13 sacks last year from 24 to 37. But what appeared to me to be a glaring problem was that our opponents' offenses would be out on the field for long chunks of time just whittling our defense down. Plain and simply put ladies and gentlemen, that's not a defensive problem. That is a problem with the offense not taking it's time on the field and giving the defense time to rest. You can have all the impact players you could ever want, but if they're playing for 40 minutes a game, they'll give up big plays.
Now, the old addage that "defense wins championships" definitely has merit. Just look back to the Bucs and Ravens Super Bowls and you'll see what I mean. But the thing to understand is that it's not the ONLY way to win a championship (the Rams, for example). But you have to understand that every offense that is incredible and wins a title will always have an above average defense that doesn't get any coverage.
So what's my stance, you ask? Well, I was pro-Bush, I thought he could come in and change our offense for the better. But here's the reason why I think they didn't opt for him: We have so much money tied into Domanick Davis right now that getting another premier running back would lead us in a few year into the salary cap hell the Titans are still pulling themselves out of. And frankly, I'd rather see us get progressively better and have many shots at the title in a given period, rather that that one chance the Titans got. But I'll say this to those fans that are extremely disheartened...We gave both players a very in-depth look and decided that Reggie wasn't our guy. These guys are paid a hefty sum to get this right, and the people complaining on this board and around the league have likely never seen Mario or Reggie in person.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Winston Justice was passed on by every team in the league at least once. I don't knock the Texans for passing on him in the 2nd.