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Lying USC coach Lane Kiffen still lying through his teeth

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LOS ANGELES -- USC coach Lane Kiffin responded Friday to USA Today's decision to release his coaches' poll vote despite traditional rules that keep the votes private until the final poll of the season.

Earlier this week, Kiffin said he "would not vote" the Trojans No. 1 overall when told that Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez mentioned he did. When USA Today caught wind of Kiffin's comments, the newspaper revealed Kiffin did vote USC No. 1, citing his providing of "false or misleading information" to the public and a desire to "set the record straight to protect the poll's integrity."
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/...esponds-usa-today-revealing-coaches-poll-vote
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What a Dickwad !
 
He lost all credibility when he left Tennessee after one season. He is a young cocky guy that needs to get his ass handed to him before he will learn.
 
jtexas said:
He lost all credibility when he left Tennessee after one season. He is a young cocky guy that needs to get his ass handed to him before he will learn.
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Why? He wanted the HC job for a long time but didn't think Pete Carroll would leave. He even said in his exiting press conference that the only job that would make him leave UT was the USC HC job. I thought he was genuine in that speech.
 
So he's a lying pile of crap with no credibility, who somehow got an inflated reputation for being good at his job while actually producing below average results. He may never be a good coach, but he sounds like an all-time great politician.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Why? He wanted the HC job for a long time but didn't think Pete Carroll would leave. He even said in his exiting press conference that the only job that would make him leave UT was the USC HC job. I thought he was genuine in that speech.
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I understand the "opportunity" may never have come again, but the time and money it takes to on-board a coach makes it inappropriate unless its a huge jump. He also left mid investigation into his recruiting practices and cried like a girl about Urban Meyer and Florida. I have never heard anything good about the guy.
 
jtexas said:
I understand the "opportunity" may never have come again, but the time and money it takes to on-board a coach makes it inappropriate unless its a huge jump. He also left mid investigation into his recruiting practices and cried like a girl about Urban Meyer and Florida. I have never heard anything good about the guy.
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I'm with Dutch. I don't understand the misguided hate for Kiffin. The guy took a horrible job in Oakland and did pretty good actually while everyone laughed at him when he was first hired and made that proclamation about being a good team when no one hardly knew who he was. He earned respect after leaving Oakland after sticking up to Al Davis.

As far as him leaving Tennessee, what is wrong with that?? He was offered his freaking dream job in Southern Cali at a school that he was very successful at previously, and he took the job he had always wanted. So what if he left UT. That's business. No coach stays at one place forever especially if their dream job opens up. I've never understood this "butt hurt" mentality from college football fans when their successful HC or coordinator leaves for a situation that might be better for them. WHo would want fans like that any way? As a Texas fan I was extremely ticked when Muschamp bolted to FLorida. Not at Muschamp though. Just ticked that Texas wasn't able to keep him. Muschamp got a great job at a top school and a great opportunity. I was happy for him.
 
Who can fault a guy for choosing to live the dream life in southern california over tennessee. I mean, its Tennessee---Id rather live in West Virginia
 
jtexas said:
I understand the "opportunity" may never have come again, but the time and money it takes to on-board a coach makes it inappropriate unless its a huge jump. He also left mid investigation into his recruiting practices and cried like a girl about Urban Meyer and Florida. I have never heard anything good about the guy.
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Well, then UT should have put something in the contract to incentivize him to stay. Although I don't think the student population helped much:

Lane Kiffin's decision to leave Tennessee for Southern California after one season was met with immediate hostility from players and students, who tried to block him from leaving campus.

Knoxville fire officials and university police were called to the school campus as hundreds of students burned mattresses and piles of trash and gathered around the athletic department building. It was not clear if Kiffin was still on campus at the time.

"I think the students have had kind of a violent reaction to that, and a lot of them are disheartened, upset and feel betrayed that less than a year in that he would be leaving and taking off," Knoxville fire department spokesman D.J. Corcoran said.

Here is video of the scene on Tuesday night.
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http://www.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/01/kiffins-departure-creates-hard-feelings-and-uncertainty-at-tennessee/1#.UCmAzaPk1v4

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - University of Tennessee students set fires and rioted on campus at the news of Lane Kiffin's surprise departure.

Lane Kiffin Leaving Tennessee For USC

Kiffin's resignation angered the students Tuesday night, resulting in hundreds of them running through the streets around UT's campus.

Students set fires to t-shirts and a mattress. The Knoxville Fire Department came and put out the small fires.

Hundreds of students also blocked the exit from the Neyland Thompson Sports Center.

Vols fans wrote obscene messages to Kiffin. Many said they are upset he abandoned the team after only 14 months.
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http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=11813579

Awesome fans, who wouldn't want to stay there? :kitten:
 
Dutchrudder said:
Well, then UT should have put something in the contract to incentivize him to stay. Although I don't think the student population helped much:


Awesome fans, who wouldn't want to stay there? :kitten:
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Certainly not a coach that was willing to bail on the program so soon.

Talk to LSU fans about Nick Saban...if you want to start a riot.
 
disaacks3 said:
Certainly not a coach that was willing to bail on the program so soon.

Talk to LSU fans about Nick Saban...if you want to start a riot.
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Another perfect example of some whiney fans with no appreciation. Nick Saban won them a National Championship and built that program up into a powerhouse and left it in great shape. Any LSU fan that bashes Saban really doesn't deserve to win anything in my opinion. Saban brought them the Gold. He should forever be appreciated there.
 
Texecutioner said:
Another perfect example of some whiney fans with no appreciation. Nick Saban won them a National Championship and built that program up into a powerhouse and left it in great shape. Any LSU fan that bashes Saban really doesn't deserve to win anything in my opinion. Saban brought them the Gold. He should forever be appreciated there.
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I don't see why there can't be both appreciation and resentment. That's how I feel.

I'm grateful for what Saban has done for the program. I was there for Curley Hallman and Gerry DiNardo. Saban pulled the program up from there and made them a national title contender while he was here. And that has helped make possible the reality of LSU as a destination for blue chip talent. And for that, I'm appreciative.

But that shouldn't make the guy immune from any resentment or 'bashing' for the way in which he left or how he acted/what he said after he left. He wasn't exactly forthright. And that dishonesty doesn't sit well with me. I mean, he's Saban. I don't expect honesty from him, but I don't see why I should appreciate it, either.

So I've got both appreciation for what he's done for the program as well as disappointment and resentment for how he left. I think he's a class A dbag, but I'm also glad for what he did for the program. Both of those things can be true.
 
RazorOye said:
I don't see why there can't be both appreciation and resentment. That's how I feel.

I'm grateful for what Saban has done for the program. I was there for Curley Hallman and Gerry DiNardo. Saban pulled the program up from there and made them a national title contender while he was here. And that has helped make possible the reality of LSU as a destination for blue chip talent. And for that, I'm appreciative.

But that shouldn't make the guy immune from any resentment or 'bashing' for the way in which he left or how he acted/what he said after he left. He wasn't exactly forthright. And that dishonesty doesn't sit well with me. I mean, he's Saban. I don't expect honesty from him, but I don't see why I should appreciate it, either.

So I've got both appreciation for what he's done for the program as well as disappointment and resentment for how he left. I think he's a class A dbag, but I'm also glad for what he did for the program. Both of those things can be true.
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I have only had one real employer in my life time andIm not sure of the details surrounding Saban's departure from LSU but if I leave my current company I certainly wouldnt be forthright and letting the current company know what I was doing until everything was done, even if directly asked.
 
2012Champs said:
I have only had one real employer in my life time andIm not sure of the details surrounding Saban's departure from LSU but if I leave my current company I certainly wouldnt be forthright and letting the current company know what I was doing until everything was done, even if directly asked.
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fyi, it doesn't take long to google

you probably could've found out a couple of details in the time you took to respond, lol

all that aside, you didn't really address my point.

If you went to work for your former employer's top competitor and you weren't forthright, would you expect the former employer not to have some resentment when they find out you decided to work for their top competitor?

I didn't say he should've been more honest. It's NCAA football and it's Saban. I trust neither party, implicitly.

But that has little to do with a justified resentment on the part of fans who feel jilted or lied to or misled.

The same would go for your former employer/co-workers in your scenario. You have the option to be duplicitous (self-preservation is a worthwhile enough cause). And they'd have the option to be resentful if you left in such circumstances.
 
RazorOye said:
fyi, it doesn't take long to google

you probably could've found out a couple of details in the time you took to respond, lol

all that aside, you didn't really address my point.

If you went to work for your former employer's top competitor and you weren't forthright, would you expect the former employer not to have some resentment when they find out you decided to work for their top competitor?

I didn't say he should've been more honest. It's NCAA football and it's Saban. I trust neither party, implicitly.

But that has little to do with a justified resentment on the part of fans who feel jilted or lied to or misled.

The same would go for your former employer/co-workers in your scenario. You have the option to be duplicitous (self-preservation is a worthwhile enough cause). And they'd have the option to be resentful if you left in such circumstances.
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I've lost people to other financial firms and typically there is no advance notice to their termination and its effective immediatly because of conflict issues. I dont resent them in their choice to leave or their lack of advance disclosure. Maybe the business is different, maybe I didnt care enough to google to find the specific issues with Saban and that is largely irrelenvant to me or my point. If its normal to not fully disclose when you are looking for another job I dont see where the resentment comes in other than emotional fans. From a business sense I understand why employees would handle it the way they do.
 
2012Champs said:
If its normal... I dont see where the resentment comes in
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again with the mutual exclusivity. If something is "normal" why is resentment or anger or disappointment automatically off the table or should be?

Maybe your analogy is poor. Or maybe your experiences are atypical. Or maybe mine are.

But I don't see anything exceptional about a guy who leaves, lies, and pops up at a rival company/team/etc and there's frustration or resentment or a feeling of being lied to/misled by people.

I also didn't say it wasn't emotional. Of course it's emotional.

Feeling gratitude for Saban's work at LSU and what he's enabled is an emotion. Feeling resentment for his dishonesty and eventual destination (despite exacting words to the contrary) is also an emotion.

I don't see how both aren't reasonable responses. And I don't see how you can't feel/think both at the same time.

And this isn't true of just sports.

ANyway, this is all beside the point - I think LSU fans can be overwrought in their melodrama. Or take the angst to the point it makes them nearly incapable of enjoying the run we've had since he's left. Or want to act like Saban was never there.

I am grateful for what he did at LSU. And my opinion on him has soured more since (and because of the conditions under which) he left LSU. I don't see where either of these don't have merit, even though both are emotional.
 
Worst part about Kiffin is you know he's going to win at USC. Hopefully he'll get caught cheating sometime soon
 
RazorOye said:
I don't see why there can't be both appreciation and resentment. That's how I feel.

I'm grateful for what Saban has done for the program. I was there for Curley Hallman and Gerry DiNardo. Saban pulled the program up from there and made them a national title contender while he was here. And that has helped make possible the reality of LSU as a destination for blue chip talent. And for that, I'm appreciative.

But that shouldn't make the guy immune from any resentment or 'bashing' for the way in which he left or how he acted/what he said after he left. He wasn't exactly forthright. And that dishonesty doesn't sit well with me. I mean, he's Saban. I don't expect honesty from him, but I don't see why I should appreciate it, either.

So I've got both appreciation for what he's done for the program as well as disappointment and resentment for how he left. I think he's a class A dbag, but I'm also glad for what he did for the program. Both of those things can be true.
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Well how about if he never came and LSU never became the powerhouse they've been all of these years since he first started there? A coach can leave whenever he wants. I don't see why it's some sort of insult or wrong doing when a coach wants to go somewhere else. I don't think LSU is where they are today without Saban's hard work.
 
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