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Louis Nix
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xtruroyaltyx
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In the thread eriadoc started a few days ago I posted a link where by the author's metrics he used, the Texans were one of the best drafting teams over the past few years.
Texans qb play has been spotty at best over the past few seasons though. Defense can only do so much. We need a guy.
Texans qb play has been spotty at best over the past few seasons though. Defense can only do so much. We need a guy.
So Rick is doing a good job?
Who said that? I'm just not going to throw a tantrum because we were only 9-7 in 2014. It is what it is, I'm looking forward. Bob didn't do everything I wanted. He usually doesn't.
I think RS is doing a good job, as far as contracts, right now. I think he blew it with Schaub ( the Texans have to get CnD on their staff) and, to a degree, Foster, when you consider his injury history. Personally, I was impressed by the interaction between RS and OB on HK. I think the two are still learning each other, but I like the dynamics between them.
I'm certainly not going to throw a tantrum about 9-7 in 2014. Especially after 2-14 in 2013 and going through 4 QB's in 2014. Helluva coaching job!!
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Texian
Hall of Fame
Rest assured, those were Bob McNair decisions and Rick made sure they got done. (why Rick hasn't been fired)
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We should all riot at NRG to force Bob McNair to move his shitty-assed perpetually mediocre franchise to San Antonio!! Oh...wait... 
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I just think over the years the team have built a bit of a track record for throwing their draft strategy out of the window to draft that "first round talent" lower down the draft order.
Now that is all well and good if you hit, but if you are drafting guys with injury concerns, poor work ethic etc then that doesn't have a great success rate. You don't see them drafting the guys who tick all the boxes except size on that basis, for instance.
Maybe they need to reevaluate what they are willing to go against their own rule book for.
I think Strong may possibly be the guy that bucks that trend, although I'm a little jaded getting my hopes up for first rounders we took in the third. There's usually a reason.
Now that is all well and good if you hit, but if you are drafting guys with injury concerns, poor work ethic etc then that doesn't have a great success rate. You don't see them drafting the guys who tick all the boxes except size on that basis, for instance.
Maybe they need to reevaluate what they are willing to go against their own rule book for.
I think Strong may possibly be the guy that bucks that trend, although I'm a little jaded getting my hopes up for first rounders we took in the third. There's usually a reason.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I believe going into the draft, Nix was considered a mid to low 1st round pick. When he fell into the third, we traded up to get him. This was of course before getting FAs to hold the fort in the middle.
GermanTexan
Waterboy
Nix is a bust. Ok. If we now get from Covington what we want, he might be a steal. So i think it´s not worth to discuss to much about a bad Thirdround pick who had at time of the draft the potential of being a steal as well.
Same thing could happen to Jaelen Strong soon. 1st Round potential we trade up for in the 3rd round as well.
Same thing could happen to Jaelen Strong soon. 1st Round potential we trade up for in the 3rd round as well.
That's a good point. Every team has busts, but the good teams even things up with late round finds.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Isn't this again the wrong forum for this discussion?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I was at Ft Sumter when TJ Yates and the Texans beat the Bengals to clinch a playoff spot . My kids where texting me play by play of the game winning drive as I was taking a tour and watching dolphins swim .
Fred
Veteran
Come on, man. Didn't you ever take a history class?Meh. It was all Nix's fault.
Early on, when the South was winning the war, Fort Sumter was a brillant plan of O'Brien. Once the war turned and went to crap, then everyone realized it was a ridiculous Rick Smith plan all along.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Smith ordered Pickett's charge when he should have gone to the passing game .
Hervoyel
BUENO!
That's especially true considering that Pickett was over the hill before we even got him. His last few years in Green Bay were all he really had left in the tank. He had no business charging anybody.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Was that BankAmericard perhaps? or Diners Club?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
See thread in NSZ.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
MODS, if you aren't going to take this discussion to the NSZ, then kindly take this thread to the National Football League forum.
it's been done.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If you LIKE the Texans giving up the first picks in RD 4 and 5 (#101, #141) to draft Nix draft then you will LOVE the TEXANS giving up picks #51, #116 and #195 for draft pick #43 Bednardrick McKinney and #229; AND LOVE even more the TEXANS giving up draft picks #82, #152, #229 and DeVier Posey for draft pick #70 Jaelen Strong
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PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
They were moving up for Lockett IMO. Seattle beat them to the gun, so they settled for Strong
Highly doubt that's true.
Most trades are contingent upon a specific player being available .... If the Texans wanted Lockett & he was gone , the trade would not have been made.
They were obviously after Strong (who may still work out) after watching Johnson make his exit ....
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Lockett was taken 2 spots ahead. Trade was made prior to Seattle selecting him. 2 things I remain certain on this past draft, got outsmarted by Irsay for Dorsett than by Schneider for Lockett. I watched the deals go down certain things just stood out. Only thing I don't have is Rick openly admitting it. But if you were able to watch it again, you'd see Rick got worked twice
This seems yo happen alot down on Kirby.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
We honestly don't know what Rick's intentions were in moving up other than to take Strong. You can't project your own hindsight onto the GM.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I suspect the fact that both Strong AND Lockett were still on the board made the trade happen. We might have preferred Lockett, but felt at least one of them would be there for us. Neither of these were expected to be on the board by our next pick and we needed WR talent rather than just WR bodys. I have no problem with Smith moving up to get perceived value. I just wish the impact were immediate so I wouldn't have to see everybody soiling their britches online.
Texian
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Texans say rookie Jaelen Strong must practice better to get on the field
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...ong-must-practice-better-to-get-on-the-field/
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/sto...overview-for-the-texans#.VroM0plGMJc.facebook
Ain't looking so crazy now
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That article is the best argument I've heard... ever, to fire Rick Smith.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I just feel better because I said the team was moving up for Dorsett and again for Lockett, may thought I was nuts
That would also, seemingly, put the onus on Smith for not being able to pull these deals off. It could also point to Smith not being able to recognize what other teams consider their needs to be. It could also point to Smith not wanting to overpay for a player, which you sometimes need to do if you really want him. I'll give a push on Dorsett. I recall many "experts" being surprised that they drafted him.
When you consider that the Vikings were able to trade up and get Bridgewater ( I still believe he was going to be picked by Houston at 2.1), that's an awful lot of fail in two drafts.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
If you are able to rewatch that draft, they were trading back in with NE, as soon as Dorsett was picked, trade was gone. But IIRC, Texans were publicly talking about how they really liked PD. Grigson did it to troll the Texans imo, but who knows, it's what happens when you show your hand
Which is why you don't tip your hand. Just another check mark on the list of reasons to fire Rick Smith.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
That's why this whole draft a QB in the first has me nervous, Texans can be held hostage for a good ransom in order to move up
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Bridge, dorrset, locket.
Every team seemingly knows what we want where we want it. We have a mole or a flawed method showing our cards.
I'm less concerned about overpaying than I am about drafting the right guy. Unless Savage is truly OB's "hand-picked" QB of the future, or at least gets an honest shot at the starting job, I have no faith at all in his ability to point Smith in the right direction.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Maybe it's as simple as a scout who talks to much after a few beers...maybe the owner needs to not make public comments about our priorities? Time to smoke out the mole with dis-information.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Maybe the whole world knew we were looking WR once AJ was gone.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Sure. And the whole world knows we need a qb now.
Better to conceal what we plan to do differently then maintain the status quo...which isnt working. I dont know how accurate this article is but i've gotta believe if he cites an example it's bad luck. 2 examples and maybe it's coincidence. 3 (i'm including bridgewater and god knows whatelse...) there's a different kinda problem.
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PapaL
Loose Screw
That's not exactly breaking news either. The whole world has known this for years now.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
True. Pretty sure i posted about it at least 2-3 years back.