Lord, please don't let Charley Casserly decide on the number 1 pick

[Grid]

That's passing the buck. Is Casserly in charge or not? It's Casserly's job to pick the players. If he's not going to take responsibility for his own actions, he needs to be demoted to a less responsible position.

Capers worked for Casserly, not the other way around. If Casserly didn't like the Joppru pick then he shouldn't have signed off on it. I love the "I was just taking orders from my subordinates" excuse. I especially love that no one calls BS on it. What kind of spell does Casserly have on you guys? If it's the coach's job to coach the players AND pick the players, then we don't need a GM.

If next Saturday is anything like the other 4 drafts, we'll all be pulling our hair out once again. I'll be shocked if he doesn't at least waste one pick on a backup quarterback.

When Casserly takes a baseball bat to Joppru's knees..then I will blame him.

Joppru had no injury history and never failed a physical. His rash of injuries since he was drafted was ENTIRELY unexpected. Not Casserly's fault.. thats just bad luck.

 

[rittenhouserobz]

Gaffney was medicore and no matter the coaching wasn't worthy of that pick. We passed up Portis, Andre Gurode, LeCharles Bentley, Randla El, Antonio Bryant and Deion Branch. All better players.

I am not sure which Gaffney you were watching. I was not able to get him on my television very much, because Carr never threw him the ball. I do remember a few times where Gaffney made outstanding receptions though. He may surprise you this year. Keep an eye on him this season.

 

[bkimble]

You have to be kidding me. CC is totally incompetent. Telling me he picked starters for a 2-14 disaster is a joke. Seth Wand? Chester Pitts? Dave Ragone? Tony Hollings? Charles Hill? Jabar Gaffney? His record has been disastrous. How can anyone say CC has done a good job in the draft? I still think the staff takes over Day 2, which is how we got Davis and Mathis. Although it sounds like Mathis may not work out. My guess is he gets released - he's not a competent WR and RB will be the kick returner. And he's a head case. But back to the topic at hand, aside for cinch top 10 picks, CC has been a total failure in the draft.

I agee with all your points. CC have a hold over Bob McNair. I really thought McNair was smart, I don't anymore. Here's my concerns, the fans pay for tickets, etc., but the executives have to do what's best for the organization. When it comes to player moves, that means drafting the players they think give the team the best chance to win. That being said, I don't think Reggie Bush gives them the best chance to win, but if they do, they have to take him.

Sure fans may revolt in the short term if their guy isn't drafted or acquired in free agency or whatever. But if the team wins (because the executives are acquiring who they think is best for the team -- and they are right), the fans will come back and ticket, merchandising, and concession sales will take care of themselves.

To sum up: the interests of the organization, not fan pressure, must drive player personnel decisions. That said, Charlie Casserly has proven himself woefully incompetent to make such decisions, but he is at least right in principal here. I'm willing to go on the record today, the Texans will reget the day that they selected CC as their first GM and more importantly they'll reget passing on Vince Young in about 2 years. What's suprising about all of this is that Kubes would go along with keeping David Carr instead of selecting Vince.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I am not sure which Gaffney you were watching. I was not able to get him on my television very much, because Carr never threw him the ball. I do remember a few times where Gaffney made outstanding receptions though. He may surprise you this year. Keep an eye on him this season.

You may be right but in my book if a guy is never in the action and is not doing much as a #2 guy then he wasn't worth the #1 pick in the 2nd round when the other guys I pointed out were there. The names I listed weren't surprises and were all considered guys that could play. Especially Bentley and to a lesser extent Gurode for the O-line. If we were going skill I would have gone Portis. I wouldn't call it hindsight because they were good at the time..not a surprise.

 

[BigBull17]

Since he is most likely gone after the draft, it makes one wonder why the front office is keeping him around. I think it is because they value his opinion as part of the decision making process.

No I think its because he knows their draft day plan and they dont want him blabing to everyone out of spite.

 

[Caphorn]

Teams Carr wouldnt start on . . . [followed by worst list ever as described below]

So here's where you've missed the boat - many of which are gross misses (suggestive that you actually don't watch football):

Green Bay - Carr would start next year hands down over Aaron Rogers. IMO he should be the starter over Farve in a head-to-head right now because they definitely need to develop a new QB (and they are going nowhere with Favre right now)

Atlanta - I agree he might not start but only because of a bad investment by the Falcons in a QB who is rated lower than Carr.

San Diego - Carr starts this year over Rivers. Not a close call.

New York Giants - This is a good competition. Eli has great potential and you are probably right. But his potential did not stop him from collecting a 35 PE rating in the playoffs. Ouch.

Jacksonville Jaguars - I like Leftwhich. But if you think he doesn't have a substantial coaching and talent advantage to work with, you are f'n nuts.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - This is where things get ugly. How in hell can you put Carr under Simms to this point. I'll admit that Gruden did a nice job drafting Simms, but the guy has consistently blown it in big games for his whole career. David has greater upside IMO.

Kansas City Chiefs - Green is old but still slings the ball well admittedly. Again the targets on this team are fantastic, plus you have Larry Johnson back there. I think KC would start Carr over Green if they had him. More upside.

Denver Broncos - No f'n chance Carr doesn't get a shot here. I think Kubiak has said as much himself. The Broncs offense makes Jake look better than average. He's not very good (if you didn't notice that in playoffs).

Baltimore Ravens - are you joking with this? The Ravens have the 2 lowest rated QBs in the league. Not 1, but 2. Kyle Boler is an embarassment for a starter. These guys need to find a way to get a QB. If Carr didn't start there it would simply be a reflection of how little the organization cares about putting together a real offense.

Arizona Cardinals - No f'n chance Carr doesn't start over Warner/McCown. The Cards are rich with targets. They absolutely need a good young QB. Warner is falling apart. McCown has been less effective even with a decided talent advantage to work with.

Chicago Bears - This is beyond comprehension. The Bears lost Grossman - journeman - for most of last year. When he came back, he managed a stellar 54 passer rating in the playoffs . This from a veteran?

So what is that 11 of your so called 18. I think I'll stand by my original assertion that Carr would likely start for a majority of the teams in the NFL right now.

 

[MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS]

Yes he is a living joke with his glasses all sideways on his face, why is Dan Reeves not our GM..............If this guy is still in charge of our draft again we might win 4 games this year.....

 

[HoustonFrog]

So here's where you've missed the boat - many of which are gross misses (suggestive that you actually don't watch football):

Green Bay - Carr would start next year hands down over Aaron Rogers. IMO he should be the starter over Farve in a head-to-head right now because they definitely need to develop a new QB (and they are going nowhere with Favre right now)

Atlanta - I agree he might not start but only because of a bad investment by the Falcons in a QB who is rated lower than Carr.

San Diego - Carr starts this year over Rivers. Not a close call.

New York Giants - This is a good competition. Eli has great potential and you are probably right. But his potential did not stop him from collecting a 35 PE rating in the playoffs. Ouch.

Jacksonville Jaguars - I like Leftwhich. But if you think he doesn't have a substantial coaching and talent advantage to work with, you are f'n nuts.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - This is where things get ugly. How in hell can you put Carr under Simms to this point. I'll admit that Gruden did a nice job drafting Simms, but the guy has consistently blown it in big games for his whole career. David has greater upside IMO.

Kansas City Chiefs - Green is old but still slings the ball well admittedly. Again the targets on this team are fantastic, plus you have Larry Johnson back there. I think KC would start Carr over Green if they had him. More upside.

Denver Broncos - No f'n chance Carr doesn't get a shot here. I think Kubiak has said as much himself. The Broncs offense makes Jake look better than average. He's not very good (if you didn't notice that in playoffs).

Baltimore Ravens - are you joking with this? The Ravens have the 2 lowest rated QBs in the league. Not 1, but 2. Kyle Boler is an embarassment for a starter. These guys need to find a way to get a QB. If Carr didn't start there it would simply be a reflection of how little the organization cares about putting together a real offense.

Arizona Cardinals - No f'n chance Carr doesn't start over Warner/McCown. The Cards are rich with targets. They absolutely need a good young QB. Warner is falling apart. McCown has been less effective even with a decided talent advantage to work with.

Chicago Bears - This is beyond comprehension. The Bears lost Grossman - journeman - for most of last year. When he came back, he managed a stellar 54 passer rating in the playoffs . This from a veteran?

So what is that 11 of your so called 18. I think I'll stand by my original assertion that Carr would likely start for a majority of the teams in the NFL right now.

OK, as the Casserly argument above there are some things way off base here IMHO.

GB--You don't know if he would start over Rogers hands down because we haven't seen the guy play yet. With favre back it is a non-issue.

SD--He starts over Rivers, not even close?How can you make that assertion?Rivers is a strong armed guy who has been learning behind Brees for 2 years. He may be the real deal like Palmer who sat for a year. Again, that is a huge assumption.

NYG--Eli and Carr is no competition. Eli went to the playoffs in only his second year and had some huge games last year. He is becoming more and more polished. Carr would be his backup.

Jax--Another excuse

Tampa--Again, you make an assumption about Simms college career when he was in the playoffs last year....noty only that but he performed well in a huge game and had two game winning TD throws dropped. Seems to be doing fine to me. They may have similar skills but this isn't a given

Denver--Jake is Carr with more experience. And he actually took the crappy Cardinals to the playoffs and won before going to Denver. So he has that on Carr.

The other ones you are right on with Chicago being a toss up for me because Grossman has been injured yet has won, even if ugly.

 

[swtbound07]

So here's where you've missed the boat - many of which are gross misses (suggestive that you actually don't watch football):



Green Bay - Carr would start next year hands down over Aaron Rogers. IMO he should be the starter over Farve in a head-to-head right now because they definitely need to develop a new QB (and they are going nowhere with Favre right now)

Atlanta - I agree he might not start but only because of a bad investment by the Falcons in a QB who is rated lower than Carr.

San Diego - Carr starts this year over Rivers. Not a close call.

New York Giants - This is a good competition. Eli has great potential and you are probably right. But his potential did not stop him from collecting a 35 PE rating in the playoffs. Ouch.

Jacksonville Jaguars - I like Leftwhich. But if you think he doesn't have a substantial coaching and talent advantage to work with, you are f'n nuts.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - This is where things get ugly. How in hell can you put Carr under Simms to this point. I'll admit that Gruden did a nice job drafting Simms, but the guy has consistently blown it in big games for his whole career. David has greater upside IMO.

Kansas City Chiefs - Green is old but still slings the ball well admittedly. Again the targets on this team are fantastic, plus you have Larry Johnson back there. I think KC would start Carr over Green if they had him. More upside.

Denver Broncos - No f'n chance Carr doesn't get a shot here. I think Kubiak has said as much himself. The Broncs offense makes Jake look better than average. He's not very good (if you didn't notice that in playoffs).

Baltimore Ravens - are you joking with this? The Ravens have the 2 lowest rated QBs in the league. Not 1, but 2. Kyle Boler is an embarassment for a starter. These guys need to find a way to get a QB. If Carr didn't start there it would simply be a reflection of how little the organization cares about putting together a real offense.

Arizona Cardinals - No f'n chance Carr doesn't start over Warner/McCown. The Cards are rich with targets. They absolutely need a good young QB. Warner is falling apart. McCown has been less effective even with a decided talent advantage to work with.

Chicago Bears - This is beyond comprehension. The Bears lost Grossman - journeman - for most of last year. When he came back, he managed a stellar 54 passer rating in the playoffs . This from a veteran?

So what is that 11 of your so called 18. I think I'll stand by my original assertion that Carr would likely start for a majority of the teams in the NFL right now.

Allright I'll play your petty little game.

Atlanta-Glad you agree with me. Not a single atlanta fan would take carr over Vick.

GB-You said that he would start NEXT YEAR over aaron rodgers. Im talking about now, and Carr wouldnt start over Favre. Period.

San Diego-They let DREW BREES walk because they want to play rivers. Following the train of logic, you are saying carr is better than drew brees and his heir apparent. Not even close. Carr doesnt start over rivers.

New York Giants-Traded away most of 2 drafts for Eli Manning. Carr wouldnt start, manning has gotten them to the playoffs, and they love him there.

Jacksonville Jaguars.=Did we say anything about advantage/disadvantage? Carr wouldnt start over Leftwich, and probably wouldnt beat out garrard for the 2 spot.

Tampa Bay-I live in Florida right now, and to read the amount of stories about Gruden praising Simms is incredible. The team loves him, the coach loves him, and he took the team to the playoffs. If brian griese couldnt start for the bucs over simms, what makes you think david carr could?

Kansas City Chiefs-They would NOT start Carr over Trent Green...you know, the probowler who fits their offense like a glove and puts up amazing passing stats? UPSIDE??? are you freaking kidding me.

Denver Broncos-Lets see, one of the best records in the NFL last year, Plummer is a pro-bowler, yeah, Im not seeing Carr rip that spot from him.

Baltimore I will cede you, I thought they signed Kerry Collins

Arizona-Carr is not Kurt Warner...you know, superbowl winning NFL MVP Kurt Warner...the warner that is keeping mcnown on the bench? Yeah Carr isnt that good

Chicago-Rex Grossman-Journeyman?? WHo else has he journeyed too? The bears won many games with both grossman AND orton. Chicago is set at quarterback.

 

[dwilt72]

People really need to quit being sheep and think things through before they form thier opinions.

Casserly has done a good job in the draft WITH THE PICKS HE DIDNT TRADE.

his only mistakes have been trading up. When he actually picked players, he has a nice track record.

keep him from trading picks, and he will get us some starters.

OK...let's don't be sheep. Let's look at his picks and think this through.....

2002:

1.David Carr - Progressed for his first 3 years, but last year took a serious step back. Jury is still out on him.
2a. Jabar Gafney - A decent possession receiver, but never turned out to be a difference maker. Now in Philly.
2b. Chester Pitts - Starting LT. Does a decent job, but probably better suited for G. Still not a bad pick.
3a. Fred Weary - Jury is still out on him. Probably never more than a backup.
3b. Charles Hill - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
4. Jonathan Wells - A nice backup RB and a good football player, but not starting material.
5a. Jarrod Baxter - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
5b. Ramon Walker - A nice backup DB and special teams player, but not worthy of being a starter
6a. Petey Faggins - A nice backup or nickle back, but would not be a starter on many teams in the league (even though he may start for us).
6b. Howard Green - No longer with the team, backup for Saints.
7. Greg White - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.

2003:

1. Andre Johnson - Pro Bowl player in 2004, probably will be again.
2. Bennie Jopru - Do I really need to explain?
3a. Antwan Peek - Starter last year and probable starting DE this year. Jury still out on him. Has a lot of potential, but has not put it all together yet.
3b. Seth Wand - Starting LT in 2004, but has not had much of a chance since then. Jury still out.
3c. Dave Ragone - 3rd team QB.
4. Domanick Davis - Starting RB. Nice player, but a bit injury prone.
6a. Drew Henson - Conned a couple of draft picks from Dallas for him. Probably CC's best trade.
6b. Keith Wright - No longer with the team. Not sure if he's even in the league.
7a. Curry Burns - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
7b. Chance Pearce - No longer with the team.

2004:

1a. Dunta Robinson - Hard hitter. Possible Pro Bowl player in the future.
1b. Jason Babin - Traded 2 picks for him. Has yet to reach his potential.
4. Glenn Earl - Starting SS. Not a bad pick.
6a. Vontez Duff - No longer with the team. Backup for Giants.
6b. Jammal Lord - Has been on practice squad most of his career here. Not sure what kind of player he will end up being.
6c. Charlie Anderson - A nice pass rusher. Will be interesting to see where he fits into the 4-3.
7a. Raheem Orr - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
7b. Sloan Thomas - Could have been a decent backup WR for us, but we let him slip away to the Titans.
7c. B.J. Symons - No longer with the team. Backup for the Bears.

2005:

1. Travis Johnson - Still scratching my head on this one. Hopefully he will be better in 4-3.
3. Vernand Morency - Backup RB. Some people like him, I think he is still a little slow. We'll see how he fits into Kube's system.
4. Jermome Mathis - Pro Bowl kick returner. However, he seems to be turning into a problem child.
5. Drew Hodgdon - Backup C. May end up being a decent lineman when given a chance.
6. C.C. Brown - Starting safety. Probably better suited for backup and special teams, however he is a nice player.
7. Kenneth Pettway - Didn't get many chances last year. No idea what he can do.

So now let's do the math:

36 picks
Only 10 are starters
13 are backups
13 are no longer with the team
6 are no longer in the league.

I would not call this a nice track record.....

 

[Grid]

36 picks, 23 are still with the team. Would be more if we hadnt had to bring in a new coaching staff. That strikes me as good. Especially considering that over those 4 years we had 15 picks in the 6th and 7th round.

 

[The Duke]

OK...let's don't be sheep. Let's look at his picks and think this through.....

2002:

1.David Carr - Progressed for his first 3 years, but last year took a serious step back. Jury is still out on him.
2a. Jabar Gafney - A decent possession receiver, but never turned out to be a difference maker. Now in Philly.
2b. Chester Pitts - Starting LT. Does a decent job, but probably better suited for G. Still not a bad pick.
3a. Fred Weary - Jury is still out on him. Probably never more than a backup.
3b. Charles Hill - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
4. Jonathan Wells - A nice backup RB and a good football player, but not starting material.
5a. Jarrod Baxter - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
5b. Ramon Walker - A nice backup DB and special teams player, but not worthy of being a starter
6a. Petey Faggins - A nice backup or nickle back, but would not be a starter on many teams in the league (even though he may start for us).
6b. Howard Green - No longer with the team, backup for Saints.
7. Greg White - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.

2003:

1. Andre Johnson - Pro Bowl player in 2004, probably will be again.
2. Bennie Jopru - Do I really need to explain?
3a. Antwan Peek - Starter last year and probable starting DE this year. Jury still out on him. Has a lot of potential, but has not put it all together yet.
3b. Seth Wand - Starting LT in 2004, but has not had much of a chance since then. Jury still out.
3c. Dave Ragone - 3rd team QB.
4. Domanick Davis - Starting RB. Nice player, but a bit injury prone.
6a. Drew Henson - Conned a couple of draft picks from Dallas for him. Probably CC's best trade.
6b. Keith Wright - No longer with the team. Not sure if he's even in the league.
7a. Curry Burns - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
7b. Chance Pearce - No longer with the team.

2004:

1a. Dunta Robinson - Hard hitter. Possible Pro Bowl player in the future.
1b. Jason Babin - Traded 2 picks for him. Has yet to reach his potential.
4. Glenn Earl - Starting SS. Not a bad pick.
6a. Vontez Duff - No longer with the team. Backup for Giants.
6b. Jammal Lord - Has been on practice squad most of his career here. Not sure what kind of player he will end up being.
6c. Charlie Anderson - A nice pass rusher. Will be interesting to see where he fits into the 4-3.
7a. Raheem Orr - No longer with the team. No longer in the league.
7b. Sloan Thomas - Could have been a decent backup WR for us, but we let him slip away to the Titans.
7c. B.J. Symons - No longer with the team. Backup for the Bears.

2005:

1. Travis Johnson - Still scratching my head on this one. Hopefully he will be better in 4-3.
3. Vernand Morency - Backup RB. Some people like him, I think he is still a little slow. We'll see how he fits into Kube's system.
4. Jermome Mathis - Pro Bowl kick returner. However, he seems to be turning into a problem child.
5. Drew Hodgdon - Backup C. May end up being a decent lineman when given a chance.
6. C.C. Brown - Starting safety. Probably better suited for backup and special teams, however he is a nice player.
7. Kenneth Pettway - Didn't get many chances last year. No idea what he can do.

So now let's do the math:

36 picks
Only 10 are starters
13 are backups
13 are no longer with the team
6 are no longer in the league.

I would not call this a nice track record.....

I would have to agree! I don't think this guy knows what it takes or what to look for in a REAL college player.

HE NEEDS TO GO!

 

[Samer]

I think Casserly had his good pick and bad picks, but every GM do the same thing, I think that he knows who he wants to pick but doesn't want anyone to know so he confuses us all.