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Lions backed out on Trade with Texans

badboy

Hall of Fame
I don't get it; trade down as one other person said would have taken the majority of the Lions remaining draft picks to get 3.90. I cannot even find a player on their roster that I would want for 3.90. Maybe Lions 4th and 2021 pick?
 

theCATALYST

"Fake" Fan
Pushing this guys buttons is going to become a sport among executives.

Big freaking deal the Lions backed out - have some damn composure wow embarrassing.
My initial thought when watching live was that another team's exec on Zoom accidentally said something mean spirited about OB while he was making the pick, which set him off. Something like "quick, offer him 2021's 7th rounder for their next pick. He's dumb enough to take it." To which his reaction was to stammer, turn red, send in his pick, say a few derogatory words in retaliation, and then stomp off camera.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
My initial thought when watching live was that another team's exec on Zoom accidentally said something mean spirited about OB while he was making the pick, which set him off. Something like "quick, offer him 2021's 7th rounder for their next pick. He's dumb enough to take it." To which his reaction was to stammer, turn red, send in his pick, say a few derogatory words in retaliation, and then stomp off camera.
Its such a treat to see a guy like this unleashed into the business landscape. He really makes you drop your jaw - especially watching it on live TV?? Comedy gold.

"well it was an issue with the Zoom thing, you know Easterby and doing so many deals on back porches" LMAO

how ironic will it be that when OBrien was rushed into a decision, that it might end up being his best (Greenard).
 

theCATALYST

"Fake" Fan
Its such a treat to see a guy like this unleashed into the business landscape. He really makes you drop your jaw - especially watching it on live TV?? Comedy gold.

"well it was an issue with the Zoom thing, you know Easterby and doing so many deals on back porches" LMAO

how ironic will it be that when OBrien was rushed into a decision, that it might end up being his best (Greenard).
I honestly think some of OB's best decisions/moves are the ones where he is rushed and doesn't have an opportunity to over think it.
 

DocBar

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You’ve clearly never had to try and use Zoom for a mass, high volume meeting. We are using it at work, one of the big oil giants, and it has sucked when conferencing with 3 people and 30 people. So yeah I could very much see him being mad at the “phone” God knows more than one of us has been since this all started.
We have a Microsoft Teams conference call every morning with 25-30 people on and it's worked great. Every Wednesday afternoon, we have another conference call with closer to 150 people and it's gotten bogged down some. Never tried Zoom.
 

ArlingtonTexan

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You’ve clearly never had to try and use Zoom for a mass, high volume meeting. We are using it at work, one of the big oil giants, and it has sucked when conferencing with 3 people and 30 people. So yeah I could very much see him being mad at the “phone” God knows more than one of us has been since this all started.
I am doing around 12-15 per week on Zoom and few on google meets. the size ranges all the way up too 350 for one meeting. Most of the time if there is a Zoom issue its user internet connection or unfamiliar host related. Interesting to see the different experiences.
 

KoolAid Sipper

Waterboy
I am doing around 12-15 per week on Zoom and few on google meets. the size ranges all the way up too 350 for one meeting. Most of the time if there is a Zoom issue its user internet connection or unfamiliar host related. Interesting to see the different experiences.
What I typically see too.
 

Earl34

Veteran
I am doing around 12-15 per week on Zoom and few on google meets. the size ranges all the way up too 350 for one meeting. Most of the time if there is a Zoom issue its user internet connection or unfamiliar host related. Interesting to see the different experiences.
What I typically see too.
I'm using Zoom and even Microsoft Teams daily with over 100 users. No issues except for occasional meeting attendee's internet connections issues (multiple devices streaming Netflix) or the usual batch of Id-10t errors.
 
We’ve been using Zoom for about a month now and it has just now gotten even close to stable. Now granted it’s just now being implemented on a company wide scale, I’m in IT so we were beta testing it, and our VPN network was never designed to handle the literally 10s of thousands it’s having to handle now. I would be curious if you guys companies have been using Zoom for awhile? That might be where the biggest difference is, they’ve had long enough to iron out the wrinkles.

I would suspect that the NFL tested it best they could but nothing like that first real world test to really show you where you are at. Of course it could also be all the at home connections and yes idiot users as well for the NFL.
 

michaelm

vox nihili
I am doing around 12-15 per week on Zoom and few on google meets. the size ranges all the way up too 350 for one meeting. Most of the time if there is a Zoom issue its user internet connection or unfamiliar host related. Interesting to see the different experiences.
What I typically see too.
I'm using Zoom and even Microsoft Teams daily with over 100 users. No issues except for occasional meeting attendee's internet connections issues (multiple devices streaming Netflix) or the usual batch of Id-10t errors.
We’ve been using Zoom for about a month now and it has just now gotten even close to stable. Now granted it’s just now being implemented on a company wide scale, I’m in IT so we were beta testing it, and our VPN network was never designed to handle the literally 10s of thousands it’s having to handle now. I would be curious if you guys companies have been using Zoom for awhile? That might be where the biggest difference is, they’ve had long enough to iron out the wrinkles.

I would suspect that the NFL tested it best they could but nothing like that first real world test to really show you where you are at. Of course it could also be all the at home connections and yes idiot users as well for the NFL.
Most people on Zoom are not making quick time-sensitive decisions. Internet connection issues while on Zoom (something far from unusual) in such circumstances are not just a matter of being annoying, they can be catastrophic.
Not necessarily Zoom related, but had several friends who didn't want to use Zoom when the press came out talking about security issues.
So I did some research and found Jitsi.

Works great for personal use without anyone having to register or share any information at all.
It's open source, free and available on all major platforms. Can even be used through a browser without downloading a thing.
They have a free server application if you want to host it yourself and not connect through their servers.
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
We’ve been using Zoom for about a month now and it has just now gotten even close to stable. Now granted it’s just now being implemented on a company wide scale, I’m in IT so we were beta testing it, and our VPN network was never designed to handle the literally 10s of thousands it’s having to handle now. I would be curious if you guys companies have been using Zoom for awhile? That might be where the biggest difference is, they’ve had long enough to iron out the wrinkles.

I would suspect that the NFL tested it best they could but nothing like that first real world test to really show you where you are at. Of course it could also be all the at home connections and yes idiot users as well for the NFL.
I have been using Zoom for a couple of years now. As someone that has used video conferencing apps for a long time, even having worked on one for several years, Zoom is the best at maintaining a stable connection. We are using Zoom's cloud service, though. Are you doing an on-premise deployment of Zoom?
 

justmy2cents

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So .... evidently we will never know what the trade was intended to accomplish .... I, (like Edo), am actually very curious !
 

ArlingtonTexan

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We’ve been using Zoom for about a month now and it has just now gotten even close to stable. Now granted it’s just now being implemented on a company wide scale, I’m in IT so we were beta testing it, and our VPN network was never designed to handle the literally 10s of thousands it’s having to handle now. I would be curious if you guys companies have been using Zoom for awhile? That might be where the biggest difference is, they’ve had long enough to iron out the wrinkles.

I would suspect that the NFL tested it best they could but nothing like that first real world test to really show you where you are at. Of course it could also be all the at home connections and yes idiot users as well for the NFL.
I could see why you have a different perspective. My use is through a relative small charter school district and a couple of non-profits. Zoom was only used every once in awhile before now.

and because this is how life works, just had a Zoom horror show. A link that worked everyone but the host, and then an outside company that could not screen share for some technical reason (I am total end user so don't ask)
 

badboy

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I could see why you have a different perspective. My use is through a relative small charter school district and a couple of non-profits. Zoom was only used every once in awhile before now.

and because this is how life works, just had a Zoom horror show. A link that worked everyone but the host, and then an outside company that could not screen share for some technical reason (I am total end user so don't ask)
just because I'm curious I would still like to know what the alleged trade was in Bill's mind anyway
 

ArlingtonTexan

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theCATALYST

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just because I'm curious I would still like to know what the alleged trade was in Bill's mind anyway
*Clock Ticking*

Unnamed General Manager "Hey Bill, how about a 2021 2nd and 4th for your next pick"
BOB " Wait what? Really? Ok"

*Tick Tock*

2nd Unnamed General Manager "I'll give you a 2020 5th and a 2021 2nd""
BOB feeling confident now "Any other bids?"

*seconds remain on clock*

BOB "going once, going twice"

*loud chuckling from several voices on ZOOM*

BOB "What's so funny"

*Panic sets in when he realizes time is almost up*

BOB "I'll take......uhhh...."

*BOB scans his board not realizing it's still flipped to the back side and chooses the first name not scratched out*

BOB "I'll take Jonothan Greenard"

*ZOOM erupts in laughter as Goodell announces the pick*

BOB "Aww come on guys no fair"

*BOB realizes he didn't pick from the top of his board and flips it back to the front side. Laughter continues to spill out of the speakers and flood the room*

BOB "You son of a &$%## no good %$@& cheating &^&%&"

*BOB gets up before the cameras catch the tears in his eyes and storms out of the room*


Just my interpretation of that nights events.
 
I have been using Zoom for a couple of years now. As someone that has used video conferencing apps for a long time, even having worked on one for several years, Zoom is the best at maintaining a stable connection. We are using Zoom's cloud service, though. Are you doing an on-premise deployment of Zoom?
I’m not 100% sure, I think it’s a mix of cloud for most and then on premise for anything marked as sensitive data. Zoom sent someone out to assist with the set up, like I said my group was doing beta, they had a use it for a month and said “try and break it” we did that day and almost every day of the beta test. :troll:
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
I’m not 100% sure, I think it’s a mix of cloud for most and then on premise for anything marked as sensitive data. Zoom sent someone out to assist with the set up, like I said my group was doing beta, they had a use it for a month and said “try and break it” we did that day and almost every day of the beta test. :troll:
Yup, sounds like you guys are doing an on-premise deployment, which definitely complicates things. Good luck!
 

Toro Bravo

Waterboy
Could have sworn I read somewhere that the Lions denied ever having a deal done.
I read that too. As the Lions GM said they to talk to almost every team between picks.
Makes me wonder if BOB's lack of experience actually running the draft caused him to assume he had a deal when he didn't.
 

steelbtexan

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I read that too. As the Lions GM said they to talk to almost every team between picks.
Makes me wonder if BOB's lack of experience actually running the draft caused him to assume he had a deal when he didn't.
I'm guessing and I'm a pretty good guesser that BOB/Quin had a deal and what made BOB mad was Quinn backed out of the deal at the last minute which didn't give BOB time to try to do another deal with another team.

Oh well, Greenard is a good player so hopefully everything works out.
 

Double Barrel

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Still made a possibly great pick in Greenard though.

I dont get why BOB's personality bothers some so much, he's a passionate guy.
Bothered? No, not at all.

Amused by a professional GM and HC throwing temper tantrums? Yes, very much so.

I want him to do it more.
It' would be even more entertaining to me. He probably has to button it up most of the time considering how quickly he can be triggered by the smallest of things.

I can think of numerous head coaches with multiple championships that do not publicly display "passion" in the form of anger management issues. It's not a requirement for the job. As a matter-of-fact, a trained psychologist would tell you that leaders need to show control of their base emotions when leading men.

"Passionate" :heh:
 

steelbtexan

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Bothered? No, not at all.

Amused by a professional GM and HC throwing temper tantrums? Yes, very much so.

I want him to do it more.
It' would be even more entertaining to me. He probably has to button it up most of the time considering how quickly he can be triggered by the smallest of things.

I can think of numerous head coaches with multiple championships that do not publicly display "passion" in the form of anger management issues. It's not a requirement for the job. As a matter-of-fact, a trained psychologist would tell you that leaders need to show control of their base emotions when leading men.

"Passionate" :heh:
I know that I will look back on these yrs with good memories, you certainly cant say seeing a trainwreck isn't entertainment. I'm the guy that sees what BOB's trying to do. Do I think it will work? Nope, because if everybody was to stay healthy, if they got lucky, they could beat any team in the league. What's the odds everybody stays healthy and DJ plays like the 2016 DJ? 1 in a 100 mil?

But I'm a Texans fan and I'm going to look forward to next season.
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
Hearing now (LZ this morning) that the Lions had a ridiculous deal with several teams that they didn't fully understand, or believe, what they were offering it was so bad, including OB, that when it came time to punch the ticket, the Lions were like, no, that wasn't the offer.

Would also probably explain why the Lions are denying any deals were made.
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
Hearing now (LZ this morning) that the Lions had a ridiculous deal with several teams that they didn't fully understand, or believe, what they were offering it was so bad, including OB, that when it came time to punch the ticket, the Lions were like, no, that wasn't the offer.

Would also probably explain why the Lions are denying any deals were made.
This story confuses me.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Most people on Zoom are not making quick time-sensitive decisions. Internet connection issues while on Zoom (something far from unusual) in such circumstances are not just a matter of being annoying, they can be catastrophic.
Exactly. There are plenty of things to criticize OB on, but this is by far one of the dumbest things I've seen. Draft day is stressful. Things happen. This is a new draft structure for everyone.
 


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