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LB problem

F-minus67

F-minus67

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I was wondering after reading a few threads on this board, everyone is worried about the d line. But what about the LB corps? The only health starter is Greenwood. He will most likely be the weak side LB, while Wong who had a ACL injury last year is projected to be the MLB. So who will be the strong side LB? Orr is undersized and Peek could, but would be a better DE. This leaves either the draft or free agency. And last time I checked there weren't many good LBs left. So does anyone have any idea on what the team will do? I mean there will be some good LBs left in the 2nd round when we pick.
 
I think when kaillee is healthy he will be the strong side LB, so I think we will be needing a MLB
 
Depth Chart (LB)

Outside LB: Greenwood
Wong
Orr
Middle LB:Polk
Pierce

We need to get Hodge or Schlegel (Ohio State) in draft.
 
Hodge or DQ wouldn't piss me off. Wong had two knee surgeries since October (torn patella tendon and ACL). He's less than 3 months into his ACL rehab and I would be very surprised if he was ready to go by Sept - and then at what speed. Polk is a FA. Orr can play some outside. Basically, we suck at LB.
 
F-minus67 said:
I was wondering after reading a few threads on this board, everyone is worried about the d line. But what about the LB corps? The only health starter is Greenwood. He will most likely be the weak side LB, while Wong who had a ACL injury last year is projected to be the MLB. So who will be the strong side LB? Orr is undersized and Peek could, but would be a better DE. This leaves either the draft or free agency. And last time I checked there weren't many good LBs left. So does anyone have any idea on what the team will do? I mean there will be some good LBs left in the 2nd round when we pick.
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i think Wong will be SOLB but even if he is MLB- the draft is loaded with OLB's so i wouldnt worry
 
F-minus67 said:
I was wondering after reading a few threads on this board, everyone is worried about the d line. But what about the LB corps? The only health starter is Greenwood. He will most likely be the weak side LB, while Wong who had a ACL injury last year is projected to be the MLB. So who will be the strong side LB? Orr is undersized and Peek could, but would be a better DE. This leaves either the draft or free agency. And last time I checked there weren't many good LBs left. So does anyone have any idea on what the team will do? I mean there will be some good LBs left in the 2nd round when we pick.
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I think Peek may be better suited for lb now. Because he is only 6'3 238 which isnt big enough to play DE.
I got this from http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396057

I have been saying for a few weeks that I want the Texans to draft a LB in the second round if winston and mangold are both gone. I would look at Abdul Hodges or Thomas Howard im leaning towards Howard.

Abdul Hodges http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/abdulhodge.html

Thomas Howard http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/thomashoward.html
 
aj. said:
Hodge or DQ wouldn't piss me off. Wong had two knee surgeries since October (torn patella tendon and ACL). He's less than 3 months into his ACL rehab and I would be very surprised if he was ready to go by Sept - and then at what speed. Polk is a FA. Orr can play some outside. Basically, we suck at LB.
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look at the 'workout warriors' thread or home page-Wong is 1 of them- i think he said he expects to be ready for training camp
 
Bubbajwp said:
I think Peek may be better suited for lb now. Because he is only 6'3 238 which isnt big enough to play DE.
I got this from http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396057

I have been saying for a few weeks that I want the Texans to draft a LB in the second round if winston and mangold are both gone. I would look at Abdul Hodges or Thomas Howard im leaning towards Howard.

Abdul Hodges http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/abdulhodge.html

Thomas Howard http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/thomashoward.html
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howard plays OLB, we need a MLB
 
Went to K-State and originally signed by the Broncos out of college.

I don't think our current GM seems to think that LB or OL is an issue with this team...you have to wonder what games he is wathcing...must still be watching PbucH tape...:ok:
 
Maddict5 said:
look at the 'workout warriors' thread or home page-Wong is 1 of them- i think he said he expects to be ready for training camp
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I read the story. Of course he says that. Would he say anything different?

I don't think any NFL player can really be 'ready' 6 1/2 months after surgery to repair a torn ACL, much less ACL and patella tendon.
 
Babin definetly wont be a good MLB ive stated that in a few other threads. Thomas Howard is 6'3 239 and ran a 4.4 40. So now you tell me why he cant.

Also I think Wong will be our MLB and that means Thomas Howard can play OLB.
 
Bubbajwp said:
Babin definetly wont be a good MLB ive stated that in a few other threads. Thomas Howard is 6'3 239 and ran a 4.4 40. So know you tell me why he cant.

Also I think Wong will be our MLB and that means Thomas Howard can play OLB.
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I have seen Howard play is he is athletic as they come, but has little feel for LB in even in college. He is a project that will take sometime in the pros.

Hodge or DQ wouldn't piss me off. Wong had two knee surgeries since October (torn patella tendon and ACL). He's less than 3 months into his ACL rehab and I would be very surprised if he was ready to go by Sept - and then at what speed. Polk is a FA. Orr can play some outside. Basically, we suck at LB.
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Yes, if we had to line up three right now and play a football game, the Texans would be in horrible shape.
 
Bubbajwp said:
Babin definetly wont be a good MLB ive stated that in a few other threads. Thomas Howard is 6'3 239 and ran a 4.4 40. So now you tell me why he cant.

Also I think Wong will be our MLB and that means Thomas Howard can play OLB.
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I think if we can draft him and then with our third draft pick (if we pick up Nate Burleson) get a CB and I think our D will look a lot better, but that's just me.
 
the problem with wong playing period is that he's coming off of two serious knee injuries...he might have his linear speed back to pre-injury form but what about his lateral mobility...usually it takes linebackers longer to regain their form than d-lineman...especially a MLB...i think shantee orr can play strongside for the time being...abdul hodge in the third if we're lucky or d'qwell jackson in the second are probably our best bets...the problem with wilkerson is that he's very raw...that type of a linebacker doesn't need to be starting right away...thomas howard can play MLB IMO...as far as terry pierce is considered he was a second round pick in 03...he has decent speed...if you want a current NFL comparision look at jeremiah trotter his rookie year and that's probably were pierce is at now
 
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My mlb board is: Hawk
D'Quell
Hodge
Wilkinson

they're the only 4 that could be 1st day starters and therefore the only 1's ive any interest in
 
keyfro said:
the problem with wong playing period is that he's coming off of two serious knee injuries...he might have his linear speed back to pre-injury form but what about his lateral mobility...usually it takes linebackers longer to regain their form than d-lineman...especially a MLB...
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That's where I was coming from. Seth Payne made it back in just under a year but he's just planting and pushing forward for the most part. Even then, he was nowhere near 100% when he came back. Any LB position is a totally different animal with all the planting and multi-direction movement.
 
wow, it is amazing thinking a caper's/fangio defense could be in shambles after 4 years
:crying:

when I mean shambles, I mean lots of holes to fill
 
My concern with Pierce is he's listed as 6'1'' 251 lbs. I know MLB's are usually slower, but has anyone actually seen this guy. I mean I like him adding depth and maybe taking the MLB spot but can he play. If he can than we are still thin at the LB spot. If we didn't trade down then we should land Jackson, or the best LB that falls out of the 1st rd. I think we should trade down if we target Hodge. I guess I have to trust Kubiak's judgement because he knows the guy, but still I would like to see more bodies added to our LB group.
 
How come there was no press release or anything, that would've been nice. If it was a big help to the team I think we would have known about when it happened, not a month later.
 
he got no press because he didn't play while he was at denver...and just because ya'll haven't heard of him doesn't mean he can't play...i saw him first hand when tech played k-state and he absolutely shut down all those short screen passes we threw...i've seen him a couple of times when denver came down to scrimage us during the pre-season...the guys isn't going to be brian urlacher or ray lewis...i'm just saying he's probably good enough to start if given the chance
 
Orr doesnt have the size but could still fit in a olb situation. I beleive he would be alright there. However I think it would be better to put wong out there and get a new MLB.
 
I dont see how Orr is undersized to play OLB. I see him and either Greenwood or Peek starting as OLBs.. Wong and Polk in the middle.
 
F-minus67 said:
Orr is undersized
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Orr is 6' and 241 lbs. How is that undersized in comparison to:

Derrick Brooks 6' 235 lbs
Lance Briggs 6' 1" 240 lbs
Will Witherspoon 6' 1" 231 lbs
Akin Ayodele 6' 2" 246 lbs
Robert Thomas 6' 233 lbs

Those are the starting LOLB's for the top 5 4-3 D's last year.
 
TexanFan881 said:
How is Pierce going to help us. If he was any good I think I might have heard of him before...
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Pierce was a very good prospect (2nd round, 19th pick) drafted to back up Al Wilson--you haven't heard of him because of how good Al Wilson is (3 time pro-bowler) and Wilson has stayed healthy.
 
I am kinda hoping ahmad brooks is coming out in the supplement draft (as of feb 28th his father says he is staying a virginia) but can't find anything on the net to update this.

:drool:
 
I'd love for Ernie Simms to somehow slip to the 2nd round but I don't see that happening. DeMeco Ryans is a more likely option and a player that I really like in this draft.
 
infantrycak said:
Pierce was a very good prospect (2nd round, 19th pick) drafted to back up Al Wilson--you haven't heard of him because of how good Al Wilson is (3 time pro-bowler) and Wilson has stayed healthy.
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I guess I'm just trying to point out the fact that I don't see him being more than a back-up for us. I'm sure Kubiak knows a lot about him though.
 
TexanFan881 said:
I guess I'm just trying to point out the fact that I don't see him being more than a back-up for us. I'm sure Kubiak knows a lot about him though.
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Why? I mean you said you didn't know anything about him so it isn't based on his play. Odell Thurman and Lofa Tatupa were both above average MLB's in their rookie years--neither would have beat Al Wilson out of his job.
 
Buzz said:
They said it the on channel 26 (Fox news) sports report.
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if we did sign him it would be good for the short term. I still think we have to draft a MLB late day 1, early day 2
 
Early day 2 is a possibility..maybe round 5. There are a few MLBs that will be available in the late 1st and 2nd rounds.. but then the talent drops drastically.

I honestly dont think that drafting an MLB this year is a good idea.. the draft class is just REALLY weak. We would be better off making due and hoping for better prospects in FA and the draft next season.
 
Grid said:
Early day 2 is a possibility..maybe round 5. There are a few MLBs that will be available in the late 1st and 2nd rounds.. but then the talent drops drastically.

I honestly dont think that drafting an MLB this year is a good idea.. the draft class is just REALLY weak. We would be better off making due and hoping for better prospects in FA and the draft next season.
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This is a pretty good linebacker core. MLB is not great, but overall it is by no means weak. I think we could easily get a starter at MLB or OLB in the 2nd or 3rd round. My money is on Abdul Hodge out of Iowa. He has been overshadowed by Chad Greenway because they are teammates, but he is a very good MLB. In my opnion, its between him and Davin Joseph for the 2nd round pick, both should be there, both will fill big holes.
 
abdul hodge would be a good pick up but i think MLB's in this draft will be on hold if eric winston falls to the second round...there is no reason to pass on him if here were to fall to the 33rd pick in the draft...if not then i say go for the top defensive player...whether that's jackson, hodge, or jonathan joseph...maybe even darnell bing or daniel bullocks for FS
 
I think it would be most beneficial to get Jackson because he can line up at any linebacker position. While I like Hodge if Pierce shows promise than what would happen to Hodge. I think our starting LBs should be given the chance to prove themselves. We could take a corner or safety in the second rd. to help our secondary. Damn I actually think the team is lining up well before the draft. Well, whatever they choose I hope its the best choice.
 
Why are all of you honestly talking about drafting a OLB??????

We have Greenwood who will play the weak side. Orr who will play the strong side. That leaves, Polk, who is actually an OLB. Wong is injured and will not be ready for the season, so don't count on him. Bennie will play this year before Wong.

We have Terry I guess who is fne with me for competition, but I am not that high on him. What our team needs is a MLB, not OLB. If we get desperate, Peek can play OLB in a pinch.

Are any of you confident enough in Polk/Terry to let them start? I for one am NOT confident enough. I present to yall, a choice, one that does not involve a pick this year, and one that requires no signing bonus. Your choice is Ahmad Brooks. He was kicked off the Virginia team for Drug/Alcohol violations, but will be an all-pro MLB. He is the best LB in the nation, and then Poluz, and then MAYBE Hawk. Brooks will be entering the Supp. draft. He should only cost us a third round pick next year.

Ahmad Brooks is our solution at MLB.
 
while i agree that ahmad brooks would be a quality player to put in at the MLB position keep one simple thing in mind...bob mcnair and casserly and kubiak want character guys only on this team...their drafting habits and their FA habits are consitant with that...i do no see them even putting up next years 7th rounder for him due to his drug problems
 
The way I see it if the texans chose the draft to fix the LB problem in the second here are the options

MLB: D'Qwell Jackson, Marland

OLB: DeMeco Ryans, Alabama or Thomas Howard, UTEP
 
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