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Khalil Mack Traded to the Chargers

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
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Nice move chargers
If a 31 year old Mack can come back and play like a Pro Bowler. Mack still has $64 million left on his contract. None guaranteed. I guess the Bears felt they could lose without Mack just as easily as they lost with him.

Who won the 2018 megadeal with the Raiders sending Mack to Chicago for mucho mucho draft picks? Nobody. the Raiders did nothing with the picks and the Bears could never build around Mack. Much ado.
 

steelbtexan

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If a 31 year old Mack can come back and play like a Pro Bowler. Mack still has $64 million left on his contract. None guaranteed. I guess the Bears felt they could lose without Mack just as easily as they lost with him.

Who won the 2018 megadeal with the Raiders sending Mack to Chicago for mucho mucho draft picks? Nobody. the Raiders did nothing with the picks and the Bears could never build around Mack. Much ado.
I think Jacobs was drafted with one of those picks.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Dysfunction is a mother.

Speaking of dysfunction, passing on Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald for Jadevon Clowney.
To be fair, 3 others passed on Mack, and 11 others passed on Donald.

That said, how a guy with 3 sacks his last college season goes #1 overall should be a strong candidate for dysfunction I would think. Especially with some of the numbers Mack and Donald had.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Dysfunction is a mother.

Speaking of dysfunction, passing on Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald for Jadevon Clowney.
Again, as badss as Mack was, he couldn't elevate the Raiders, or the Bears.

Do you think he'd have got the Texans past the divisional rounds? I mean Clowney wasn't chopped liver.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Again, as badss as Mack was, he couldn't elevate the Raiders, or the Bears.

Do you think he'd have got the Texans past the divisional rounds? I mean Clowney wasn't chopped liver.
Like QB, it takes more than 1 player. The Raiders never had much defensively while he was there. The Bears were already pretty decent, 9th/pts, 10th/yards in '17, going to 1st and 4th in points, 3rd and 8th in yards his 1st 2 seasons there. And he had help in Chicago with several Pro Bowlers and a few All Pros.

Next to JJ in '15, who knows? The Texans were already 3rd defensively that year. In '16 without JJ they were #1. In '18, another big JJ season, every single one of their losses was 7 points or less, except the playoff game, of course. Does Mack help them win a couple of those games, maybe getting them a bye that year? In '19 does he help make it only 35-7 instead of 51-7? That would have least given them a shot at the end.

In the end, I don't really think it makes much difference when you see how the team was slowly being dismantled by OB. No matter who you draft, you still have to have competent leadership. Leadership with a vision, with a plan, with an idea of the value of talent and draft compensation of said talent. That certainly wasn't the case for the Texans as more of the power shifted to OB.
 

thunderkyss

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Like QB, it takes more than 1 player.
Agreed
Next to JJ in '15, who knows?
True... but take away Clowney add Mack, does that move the needle?

I don't think that turns our defense to a Super Bowl Ravens/Bucaneers (B Johnson era defense)

It could be argued.
In the end, I don't really think it makes much difference when you see how the team was slowly being dismantled by OB
True... true
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
I may just be the exception? Eternalizing Texans drafts, post and future the most futile endeavor imaginable. In the very end, for me, was Donald vs Mack discussion, and early to almost the end was addressing OL (Greg Robinson). That lesson learned, has influenced my personal draft process and boards since. Mack & Donald have both won NFL Defensive Player of the year.

We saw impact and importance Donald had for the Rams winning Super Bowl. Still supreme player, and Mack basically had year off for surgery and rehab so he has every opportunity to return to form. His contract, has Lucky mentioned, has no guarantees. The Bears are on the hook for 24 million dead money. Staley OLB coach for Chicago in 2017-18 instrumental turning that Bear defense into #1 defense after bringing over Mack. This reunion will be of epic proportions, a big piece helping turn a bottom 5 defense into a top 5 defense in one year.

If that isn’t elevating I don’t know what is or how you rationalize otherwise.
Team Defense
Tot Yds & TOPassingRushingPenalties
RkTmGPAYdsPlyY/PTOFL1stDCmpAttYdsTDIntNY/A1stDAttYdsTDY/A1stDPenYds1stPySc%TO%EXP
1Chicago Bears16283479510044.8369278377615351522275.3186339128053.86711410222528.619.595.50
2Baltimore Ravens1628746879744.8175286337577336021125.41743541327113.78211310173029.19.539.88
3Tennessee Titans16303533410015.3176298337533347121116.1182429186394.3981209841833.19.9-22.13
4Houston Texans16316549010225.42914298385594416728156.5200385132383.4761179452231.613.9-10.29
5Jacksonville Jaguars1631649839705.1176288312499311317115.81624341870164.389927353733.18.34.66
6Dallas Cowboys1632452689815.4201130936754237552296.51934001513123.889896812736.512.0-52.66
7New England Patriots16325574610025.72810322370605394329186.2208367180374.993918382132.615.0-32.66
8Los Angeles Chargers1632953399815.4207311351548364623136.21783951693114.31011038283233.711.8-38.61
9Minnesota Vikings1634149559935.0208303315503314015125.71604401815134.11071068343633.710.523.15
10Indianapolis Colts1634454359975.52611315384542380521156.62034171630123.98713111152535.514.5-37.23
11Seattle Seahawks1634756539555.92614323355546384226126.5201366181194.9911089813135.214.2-61.32
12Philadelphia Eagles16348585910025.8177308417626430822106.42153321551144.7711159952238.69.1-90.19
13Denver Broncos16349584210225.72811318353549392926176.61974291913114.58512310063634.114.1-39.47
14New Orleans Saints1635355859785.72412333384573430230126.92243561283123.672858143736.014.6-83.80
15Washington Redskins1635956549965.72611330362537379427156.51974131860124.51091027912435.114.6-87.52
16Detroit Lions1636053609425.714731532349635992976.71914031761114.488948863634.57.0-100.68
17Pittsburgh Steelers1636052359875.315731736256636972786.02003691538134.28413611703333.78.2-52.40
18Buffalo Bills1637447069684.92711293313492286722165.41574401839174.2111999762533.314.320.12
19Carolina Panthers1638256519486.02310315353529384732136.81853841804134.7110918052038.012.9-112.34
20Los Angeles Rams1638457379606.03012322347533378031186.61853861957125.1101998523638.216.9-74.04
21Cleveland Browns16392628811225.63114377393626412521176.22164592163204.71301199903135.315.4-46.08
22Green Bay Packers16400567010175.615833133652737523076.61994461918154.3100977923237.98.2-105.40
23New York Giants16412594210345.7215346362560404424166.92054441898184.31031109193840.911.6-107.20
24Kansas City Chiefs16421648811095.92712419406632437430156.42474252114195.01291078814340.814.9-163.28
25Atlanta Falcons16423615210316.0194375398585415333156.72264091999164.911510810013441.510.5-159.71
26Arizona Cardinals16425574110655.416935734250632622175.91865102479254.91391007903238.08.6-85.72
27Miami Dolphins16433625710246.1287350335508393231217.31954852325174.81161078563939.914.2-124.79
28San Francisco 49ers16435554610235.47533734454237323526.41954441814134.110411710113839.83.9-126.92
29New York Jets16441608610615.7207343367582406529136.52014402021164.6104958173839.19.9-73.31
30Cincinnati Bengals16455661810846.1186372389584441432127.12214662204174.71251139442646.310.2-164.84
31Tampa Bay Buccaneers1646461349986.117835638753441513497.32094261983194.712212711562540.78.2-152.18
32Oakland Raiders1646761029736.3173317299480385336147.81784802249164.71081179913144.39.8-172.07
Avg Team373.55635.61007.05.621.88.7326.9358.2552.23804.326.513.16.4196.1414.81831.313.74.4100.2107.7919.530.636.511.8-68.5
League Total11952180338322245.66962771046211462176711217378474196.4627613272586014394.4320634452942398036.511.8
Avg Tm/G23.3352.262.95.61.40
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
There was a bigger gap to respectable when Mario was here.

of course he had more help. Demeco & Cush.
Deeper dive warranted and how events impacted this franchise moving forward.

say all that to say this, not anyone player other than a true franchise QB can elevate a team. Great as an individual player maybe, you shouldn’t knock him down. There are too many factors to consider. Obviously Donald had a huge impact for the Rams, but even with Floyd, it didn’t all come together as unstoppable force until they added Von Miller. It’s a copycat league, Chargers are just following suit.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Just one important piece to roster construction. Staley’s vision is much closer to becoming a reality. After 1st season now second offseason it’s nearly complete. Franchise QB still on his rookie deal is huge, should give Texans hope as well. If Mills proves he is the franchise Caserio and Lovie can go all in.

This is first time I’ve seen it happen so strategically & quickly (2 years) from beginning. Stunning really how they were able to turn it around, weakness into strength, balance and depth with players who fit their scheme.

Early 53 man projected Charger roster and yes, in this scenario, Khalil Mack will put them over the top and beyond divisional match-up. (Bold-6 Rookies Red-13 Free Agents Blue Former Texans)

Quarterback (3): Justin Herbert, Chase Daniel, Easton Stick

Running back (4): Austin Ekeler, RB Isaiah Spiller[D-4], Joshua Kelley, Leddie Brown

Fullback (1): Zander Horvath [D-7B]

Offensive line (9): T Rashawn Slater, G Matt Feiler, C Corey Linsley, G Zion Johnson [D-1], T Storm Norton, G Brenden Jaimes, T Trey Pipkins, G/T Jamaree Salyer [D-6A], C/G Will Clapp

Wide receiver (5): Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Joshua Palmer, Jalen Guyton, DeAndre Carter

Tight end (3): Gerald Everett, Donald Parham, Tre' McKitty


Defensive line (6): NT Austin Johnson, DE Sebastian Joseph-Day, DE Jerry Tillery, Otito Ogbonnia [D-5], Christian Covington, DE Morgan Fox

Edge rusher (5): Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Kyle Van Noy, Chris Rumph II, Emeke Egbule

Linebacker (4): Drue Tranquill, Kenneth Murray, LB Troy Reeder, Nick Niemann

Cornerback (5): J.C. Jackson, Asante Samuel Jr., Michael Davis, Bryce Callahan, Ja'Sir Taylor [D-6B]

Safety (5): Derwin James, Nasir Adderley, Alohi Gilman, JT Woods [D-3], Mark Webb

Specialists (3):

K Dustin Hopkins

LS Josh Harris

P JK Scott
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Just one important piece to roster construction. Staley’s vision is much closer to becoming a reality. After 1st season now second offseason it’s nearly complete. Franchise QB still on his rookie deal is huge, should give Texans hope as well. If Mills proves he is the franchise Caserio and Lovie can go all in.

This is first time I’ve seen it happen so strategically & quickly (2 years) from beginning. Stunning really how they were able to turn it around, weakness into strength, balance and depth with players who fit their scheme.

Early 53 man projected Charger roster and yes, in this scenario, Khalil Mack will put them over the top and beyond divisional match-up. (Bold-6 Rookies Red-13 Free Agents Blue Former Texans)

Quarterback (3): Justin Herbert, Chase Daniel, Easton Stick

Running back (4): Austin Ekeler, RB Isaiah Spiller[D-4], Joshua Kelley, Leddie Brown

Fullback (1): Zander Horvath [D-7B]

Offensive line (9): T Rashawn Slater, G Matt Feiler, C Corey Linsley, G Zion Johnson [D-1], T Storm Norton, G Brenden Jaimes, T Trey Pipkins, G/T Jamaree Salyer [D-6A], C/G Will Clapp

Wide receiver (5): Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Joshua Palmer, Jalen Guyton, DeAndre Carter

Tight end (3): Gerald Everett, Donald Parham, Tre' McKitty


Defensive line (6): NT Austin Johnson, DE Sebastian Joseph-Day, DE Jerry Tillery, Otito Ogbonnia [D-5], Christian Covington, DE Morgan Fox

Edge rusher (5): Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Kyle Van Noy, Chris Rumph II, Emeke Egbule

Linebacker (4): Drue Tranquill, Kenneth Murray, LB Troy Reeder, Nick Niemann

Cornerback (5): J.C. Jackson, Asante Samuel Jr., Michael Davis, Bryce Callahan, Ja'Sir Taylor [D-6B]

Safety (5): Derwin James, Nasir Adderley, Alohi Gilman, JT Woods [D-3], Mark Webb

Specialists (3):

K Dustin Hopkins

LS Josh Harris

P JK Scott
Really good stuff.

Salyer starts at RT over Norton/Pipkins. Or do you think they move Feiler out to RT and start Zion at LG and Salyer at RG?

Signed some very under the radar upgrades in DL. Tillery needs to step up.

Worried about the LB corps

Everrett was a great pickup at TE.

Love how they fixed the secondary and added Mack. If Mack stays healthy this is a SB caliber defense.
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
Just one important piece to roster construction. Staley’s vision is much closer to becoming a reality. After 1st season now second offseason it’s nearly complete. Franchise QB still on his rookie deal is huge, should give Texans hope as well. If Mills proves he is the franchise Caserio and Lovie can go all in.

This is first time I’ve seen it happen so strategically & quickly (2 years) from beginning. Stunning really how they were able to turn it around, weakness into strength, balance and depth with players who fit their scheme.

Early 53 man projected Charger roster and yes, in this scenario, Khalil Mack will put them over the top and beyond divisional match-up. (Bold-6 Rookies Red-13 Free Agents Blue Former Texans)

Quarterback (3): Justin Herbert, Chase Daniel, Easton Stick

Running back (4): Austin Ekeler, RB Isaiah Spiller[D-4], Joshua Kelley, Leddie Brown

Fullback (1): Zander Horvath [D-7B]

Offensive line (9): T Rashawn Slater, G Matt Feiler, C Corey Linsley, G Zion Johnson [D-1], T Storm Norton, G Brenden Jaimes, T Trey Pipkins, G/T Jamaree Salyer [D-6A], C/G Will Clapp

Wide receiver (5): Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Joshua Palmer, Jalen Guyton, DeAndre Carter

Tight end (3): Gerald Everett, Donald Parham, Tre' McKitty


Defensive line (6): NT Austin Johnson, DE Sebastian Joseph-Day, DE Jerry Tillery, Otito Ogbonnia [D-5], Christian Covington, DE Morgan Fox

Edge rusher (5): Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Kyle Van Noy, Chris Rumph II, Emeke Egbule

Linebacker (4): Drue Tranquill, Kenneth Murray, LB Troy Reeder, Nick Niemann

Cornerback (5): J.C. Jackson, Asante Samuel Jr., Michael Davis, Bryce Callahan, Ja'Sir Taylor [D-6B]

Safety (5): Derwin James, Nasir Adderley, Alohi Gilman, JT Woods [D-3], Mark Webb

Specialists (3):

K Dustin Hopkins

LS Josh Harris

P JK Scott
In the top 5 most talented rosters in the league imo.
 
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beerlover

Hall of Fame
Really good stuff.

Salyer starts at RT over Norton/Pipkins. Or do you think they move Feiler out to RT and start Zion at LG and Salyer at RG?
This is the biggest question/hole of the offseason. Nobody knows for sure. 13 free agents and not one RT and none drafted.

Signed some very under the radar upgrades in DL. Tillery needs to step up.
Writing on the wall for Tillery. He’s been a bust first round Telesco pick who doesn’t fit Staley’s defense. Rotational inside pass rusher who could get traded for RT early in the season would be my guess.

Worried about the LB corps
Agreed. Murrary another Telesco first round bust.

Everrett was a great pickup at TE.
Agreed. Slashing 2nd effort, highly productive, not pretty TE.

Love how they fixed the secondary and added Mack. If Mack stays healthy this is a SB caliber defense.
Texans drafted the Baylor Money Safety Chargers drafted the Baylor Dime Safety. Both excellent, rare players, of course Derwin James is the Chargers Money Safety. Bosa has needed opposite edge rusher since Melvin Ingram got hurt, then released. Teams will no longer be able to double/triple team him with Mack. JC Jackson gives them a true #1 outside CB.
Callahan, if healthy or rotates in the slot. Lot of proven Staley defenders picked up cheap @ LB, DE, DT where they needed to stop the run. Pointing to the Texan game where Rex Burkhead ran through and over them as we both witnessed.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
I could see Salyer winning the RT position, or Feiler playing RT and Salyer playing RG.

Even if Norton stays at RT the OL will be much better after adding Zion to play next to Norton. They can shift protection and chip etc... to help Norton out.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
I could see Salyer winning the RT position, or Feiler playing RT and Salyer playing RG.

Even if Norton stays at RT the OL will be much better after adding Zion to play next to Norton. They can shift protection and chip etc... to help Norton out.

He would need to change his last name to Slayer, Opposite Slater.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Seriously your probably right him or Pipkins will fight it out in camp to least start season @ RT just not real comfortable feeding Norton to Max Crosby in season opener. So maybe for just this one special match-up they let Feiler maul Crosby instead of other way around?
 
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