Kevin Hogan, Stanford

[IDEXAN]

STRENGTHS: Hogan passes the eye test with a broad-shouldered, well-built frame for the position. Instincts, accuracy and velocity are enough to overcome the quirky delivery.



Hogan has good (but not great) accuracy to all levels with especially impressive touch on deep passes when he has the room to step into his throw. While accuracy is a concern, arm strength is not. Hogan has a rifle.



Hogan has been well protected by the elite talent blocking in front of him but when pressure does force him off his spot, he is willing to step up in the pocket, exhibiting poise, toughness and quick decision-making to either throw or run. Hogan intrigued with his accuracy when on the move as a senior, including the ability to roll out and throwing back against the grain. Like Andrew Luck before him, Hogan is faster (and stronger) than he looks, making him a formidable threat on the run.



Stanford's scheme calls for lots of play-action, boots and throwing on the move and deep shots - staples of a pro-style offense that suit Hogan's athleticism and strong arm well.



WEAKNESSES: Elongated delivery. Struggles with accuracy on deep passes. Lacks great mobility that is increasingly valued in the NFL.



Hogan can hit the open man consistently but too often his passes force receivers to adjust their routes slightly, limiting run-after-the-catch opportunities and occasionally leaving pass-catchers vulnerable to big hits. Worse, Hogan will simply air-mail a pass now and then, missing his receiver by a few yards.



IN OUR VIEW: One could argue that no senior quarterback prospect has helped himself more this season than Hogan, who has forced NFL scouts to take second and third looks at him. Although his elongated delivery and inconsistent passing vision are concerns, he's built for the NFL game with the toughness, heart and intangibles that teams covet at the next level.
Does he have the arm talent to consistently make plays at the NFL level? That's the debate and the key to whether or not he will receive draftable grades from teams.



COMPARES TO: Philip Rivers, Chargers - Hogan's longated wind-up will earn plenty of criticism in the pre-draft process but like Rivers, Hogan's instincts, accuracy and velocity are enough to overcome the quirky delivery.

--Rob Rang (11/29/15)http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1851143/kevin-hogan
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This CBS Sports Draft site rates the Stanford QB only a sixth round prospect, but who knows
how he'll end up in this draft in April ?
He's got good size and a strong arm and we'd expect him to be intelligent given his school, so those are all elements that are highly valued by Billy.

 

[bah007]

I can't imagine how someone could possibly compare a player to Philip Rivers and then give that same player a 6th round grade. How does that make sense?

For the record, I'm not sold on Hogan. He has one of the worst throwing motions I've ever seen and I think it's actually gotten even slower over the past few years. He also locks on to receivers way too much and isn't very accurate in the intermediate or deep areas of the field.

He carries a deceptively high completion percentage, but it's not because he is super accurate. He throws a ton of short passes to the RB and TE. Stanford also throws a ton of screens. And Stanford also has huge WRs that win contested balls at a very high rate.

I like that he went to Stanford. He's obviously intelligent. I like that he minimizes turnovers, only 29 INTs over 51 games. I like that he's won a lot of games. But I just don't like the way his skills and tools translate to the next level.

 

[thunderkyss]

I like Hogan. Just like I liked McCarron. IMO, & I may very well be wrong, in a different time, guys like Hogan & Brandon Allen would get more attention than guys like Paxton Lynch.

I've got nothing against Lynch, but he's more of a project than a guy like Hogan, Allen, Savage (yeah, had to throw that in there)... but alas, it's a new day & the NFL likes these more athletic passers.

What little I've been able to uncover, I think Hogan is going to score high in intangibles, especially leadership.

I wouldn't have a problem if we were able to get him in the 5th. I'd be extremely happy. Saying he's a 5th Rd QB means about as much to me as saying Johnny Manziel is a 1st Rd QB.

 

[eriadoc]

I think he's a genuine developmental prospect, in contrast to someone like Tom Savage. I'd have a ton of optimism if the Texans drafted him in the 4th (maybe even 3rd, pending continued scouting). He has some things to work on, but I think he has the mind for NFL pro offenses, which is the most important piece IMO. NFL QBs are made between the ears more than at the shoulder. He's got a great arm and is mobile enough. The only question is his release. So can that be overcome and/or worked on? That's why he falls to the 4th round, in my estimation. But I think he has enough of the other elements present to investigate that one shortcoming.

 

[thunderkyss]

& I'd love to see him whip Andrew Luck ' s ass twice a year.

 

[panamamyers]

Saying he doesn't have the athleticism that the NFL looks for now is completely incorrect to me. That's one of his best traits. He is quick and fast for a qb.

 

[WolverineFan]

Rang is really riding the fence on that evaluation. How can a guy consistently hit open guys yet it's still notable enough to mention that his throws force receivers to adjust, limit after the catch opportunities, and that he occasionally air mails throws and misses entirely?

That doesn't sound very consistent to me.

 

[infantrycak]

Rang is really riding the fence on that evaluation. How can a guy consistently hit open guys yet it's still notable enough to mention that his throws force receivers to adjust, limit after the catch opportunities, and that he occasionally air mails throws and misses entirely?

That doesn't sound very consistent to me.

Sounds like Schaub to me.

Really high percentage of catchable balls, not ideally placed.

 

[steelbtexan]

I can't imagine how someone could possibly compare a player to Philip Rivers and then give that same player a 6th round grade. How does that make sense?

For the record, I'm not sold on Hogan. He has one of the worst throwing motions I've ever seen and I think it's actually gotten even slower over the past few years. He also locks on to receivers way too much and isn't very accurate in the intermediate or deep areas of the field.

He carries a deceptively high completion percentage, but it's not because he is super accurate. He throws a ton of short passes to the RB and TE. Stanford also throws a ton of screens. And Stanford also has huge WRs that win contested balls at a very high rate.

I like that he went to Stanford. He's obviously intelligent. I like that he minimizes turnovers, only 29 INTs over 51 games. I like that he's won a lot of games. But I just don't like the way his skills and tools translate to the next level.

Yep, I'm more interested in Hooper or Cajuste, These guys plus Rector made Hogan lok better than he really is. IMHO

Cajuste reminds me of Jordan reed or Niles Paul. The Texans offense is missing a guy like this. Put 10-15 lbs on him and this is the TE the Texans have been looking for since OD left.

 

[thunderkyss]

Bills GM: Kevin Hogan is draft's most pro-ready QB for our team

Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley saw Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan and Cal quarterback Jared Goff on back-to-back days last week for their respective pro-day workouts.

Goff is considered a potential top-10 pick, while Hogan's draft party might drag into Day 3 (Rounds 4-7). That speaks more to overall talent than the learning curve each faces at the pro level, though. Where the latter is concerned, Whaley gives the nod to Hogan, not only over Goff, but over any quarterback in the draft -- at least as it pertains to the Bills.

"Is Hogan the most pro ready?" Whaley said on Monday at the NFL Annual Meeting in Boca Raton, Fla., according to The Post-Standard. "I would say for us probably because he runs the same system we run. For everybody else, I can't say that."

Hogan is my 2nd favorite QB in this draft. I'd love to see him & Luck go head to head twice a year

 

[Wolf6151]

Bills GM: Kevin Hogan is draft's most pro-ready QB for our team



Hogan is my 2nd favorite QB in this draft. I'd love to see him & Luck go head to head twice a year

Then let the Bills have him. After watching film on Hogan last year I took him off my list, the dude has a funky throwing motion and to me is not even close to being "pro ready". Also this time of year you can't believe anything a team says, there's so much false/BS info. out there this time of year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Right. I'm pretty sure this is like O'b saying there isn't much separation between Savage & Bridgewater. Or maybe he meant Savage & McCarron.

Still I like Hogan. Wierd throwing motion, yes. But nothing like patting the ball, or a big wind up that might lead to interceptions.

I think he shows a very good understanding of the game. Mentally, he's ready to take it to another level. Which is where I want my prospects to be coming into the NFL.

He's got all the physicals, he's already playing at a high level mentally. Time to see if he can ratchet it up.

 

[WolverineFan]

Right. I'm pretty sure this is like O'b saying there isn't much separation between Savage & Bridgewater. Or maybe he meant Savage & McCarron.

Still I like Hogan. Wierd throwing motion, yes. But nothing like patting the ball, or a big wind up that might lead to interceptions.

I think he shows a very good understanding of the game. Mentally, he's ready to take it to another level. Which is where I want my prospects to be coming into the NFL.

He's got all the physicals, he's already playing at a high level mentally. Time to see if he can ratchet it up.

Big wind up isn't about accuracy it's about release. When you get a free rusher in your face you need to be able to get the ball out fast. A guy with a long windup takes more time to get the ball out which means more sacks or batted passes.

FWIW, it was noted at his Pro Day that he has shortened his release some and his throwing motion looked more natural.

 

[Shishkabob]

Big wind up isn't about accuracy it's about release. When you get a free rusher in your face you need to be able to get the ball out fast. A guy with a long windup takes more time to get the ball out which means more sacks or batted passes.

FWIW, it was noted at his Pro Day that he has shortened his release some and his throwing motion looked more natural.

Also an elongated wind up can give a hint to DBs just as much as patting the ball.