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June 1 Cuts?
- Thread starter TheOgre
- Start date
I wouldn't be surprised to lose any of the following players come June 1:
Todd Wade (5.2 million)
Seth Payne (4.2 million)
Zach Wiegart (4.2 million)
Morlon Greenwood (3.9 million)
Kailee Wong (3.2 million)
Jason Babin (1.3 million)
Demarcus Faggins (1.3 million)
Mark Bruener (1.0 million)
Bennie Joppru (900k)
After that the salaries sorta drop, and so it doesn't make as much impact
PS: Im not sure what the cap hits would be for those guys granted their huge bonuses, so it may not be feasible to cut them all this year
Todd Wade (5.2 million)
Seth Payne (4.2 million)
Zach Wiegart (4.2 million)
Morlon Greenwood (3.9 million)
Kailee Wong (3.2 million)
Jason Babin (1.3 million)
Demarcus Faggins (1.3 million)
Mark Bruener (1.0 million)
Bennie Joppru (900k)
After that the salaries sorta drop, and so it doesn't make as much impact
PS: Im not sure what the cap hits would be for those guys granted their huge bonuses, so it may not be feasible to cut them all this year
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Its hard to keep your job if don't produce for a 2-14 team and make a lot of money .
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I think that Wade, Wong, Kris Brown and either Bruenner or Joppru will be the big contracts that could possibly be gone.
wrestler4life
Waterboy
I dont think that Wong will be cut unless he can't play with his injury. Too much veteran leadership.
Texans Horror
All Pro
I don't see these guys getting canned as June 1 drops. The question is who on this list is not first/second string potential because that is what Kubiak and the organization is going to be asking, and I think all these guys are good second stringers at worst.
I can't see Joppru or Babin going based on cash alone. They're just too cheap. Now, if Joppru gets re-injured, he'll be tossed. Wade is very expensive for a back-up, but if I remember correctly, his cap-hit goes down significantly after this season. Wong has given us good (not great) output, so I doubt he is gone unless the injury has an effect. Weigert is the starting RT in the line's depth chart, so he is a lock to stay at this point. Breuner might be gone, but that will depend on how well Joppru comes along.
I can't see Joppru or Babin going based on cash alone. They're just too cheap. Now, if Joppru gets re-injured, he'll be tossed. Wade is very expensive for a back-up, but if I remember correctly, his cap-hit goes down significantly after this season. Wong has given us good (not great) output, so I doubt he is gone unless the injury has an effect. Weigert is the starting RT in the line's depth chart, so he is a lock to stay at this point. Breuner might be gone, but that will depend on how well Joppru comes along.
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
gtexan02 said:
i hope wong isnt cut. i also would hate to see seth payne cut. he and robaire smith were arguably our best d-lineman last season. todd wade proly gets cut. morlon greenwood may get cut bc of the signing of cowart and drafting of demeco ryans.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I am holiding out for Morlon now that he is playing back in the 4-3. As an fyi his game at Denver in 2004 he had 7 tackles and 5 assists. Not earth shattering, but good.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235070/gamelogs/2004
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235070/gamelogs/2004
gtexan02 said:
This has been brought up by the people here and has no credibility what so ever. No one else. All 5 will probably stay providing DE and DT backup and tweeners. Babin aint going anywhere.. and unless K says it.. you can pretty much bet he will be with us for quite a while.
Scooter
Funky
until we see the results of the 4-3 switch (in which i'm sure smith will return to the dominance he had with tennessee), payne is our most productive defensive tackle. he's not going anywhere. travis johnson, while more suited for the A gap, got consistantly desicrated by right tackles and looked utterly pathetic IMO. as of right now, travis is NOT a starter. the only drop that i see is todd wade, he is not part of this system. if pittsburgh or a "mauling" run only team were looking for a right tackle, he'd be a great fit, but he has no business here. as oso eluded to though, if we can afford it, it'd probably be easier to hold onto wade for one more season as depth to ease the cap hit.
everyone in our secondary is staying. weigert will be here for atleast the transition (although it'd be a solid savings by releasing him). babin's going nowhere, i fully expect him to put on 5-10lbs and become a starter opposite williams. bruener is questionable, but i expect him to stay & retire at the end of the season (i think he'll be #3 on the chart, more as an offensive tackle who's eligable as a receiver on short yardage situations). wong & greenwood are starters. joppru's nickname should be "cat" since he apparently has 9 lives, or seemingly that many years to try to get healthy and play a down. even if joppru survives the offseason, i dont think coach will give him anything further than the practice squad.
incase i havent made it clear in previous posts, babin is 10X the DE that peek is. peek is too small and has too many holes in his game to be a consistant on any team, if we can get value by trading him, i'm all for it. shantee orr is better in his role as a tweener already. with the release of deloach & ioane, i think we'll see weaver moving inside pretty often and babin taking the starting DE role opposite mario. orr & peek are tweeners, babin's a DE ... he'll be our osi, or mathis, or kearse, or whichever lighter pass rusher you want to affiliate with. orr is going to come in on passing & blitz situations.
everyone in our secondary is staying. weigert will be here for atleast the transition (although it'd be a solid savings by releasing him). babin's going nowhere, i fully expect him to put on 5-10lbs and become a starter opposite williams. bruener is questionable, but i expect him to stay & retire at the end of the season (i think he'll be #3 on the chart, more as an offensive tackle who's eligable as a receiver on short yardage situations). wong & greenwood are starters. joppru's nickname should be "cat" since he apparently has 9 lives, or seemingly that many years to try to get healthy and play a down. even if joppru survives the offseason, i dont think coach will give him anything further than the practice squad.
incase i havent made it clear in previous posts, babin is 10X the DE that peek is. peek is too small and has too many holes in his game to be a consistant on any team, if we can get value by trading him, i'm all for it. shantee orr is better in his role as a tweener already. with the release of deloach & ioane, i think we'll see weaver moving inside pretty often and babin taking the starting DE role opposite mario. orr & peek are tweeners, babin's a DE ... he'll be our osi, or mathis, or kearse, or whichever lighter pass rusher you want to affiliate with. orr is going to come in on passing & blitz situations.
Erratic Assassin
Rookie
gtexan02 said:
It makes me sick to read this list and see what we paid for some of these guys.
wicked_wayz
all blacks
Dime said:
yeah i agree....cutting babin is damn wrong, if they cut him they mite as wel cut david carr....
wicked_wayz
all blacks
incase i havent made it clear in previous posts, babin is 10X the DE that peek is. peek is too small and has too many holes in his game to be a consistant on any team, if we can get value by trading him, i'm all for it. shantee orr is better in his role as a tweener already. with the release of deloach & ioane, i think we'll see weaver moving inside pretty often and babin taking the starting DE role opposite mario. orr & peek are tweeners, babin's a DE ... he'll be our osi, or mathis, or kearse, or whichever lighter pass rusher you want to affiliate with. orr is going to come in on passing & blitz situations.[/QUOTE]
nah i still believe PEEK got the skills and all to be our number1 LB. trading peek would be stupid, we need him in houston and no where else. but yeah if babin put a couple more pounds on he be a great DE.
nah i still believe PEEK got the skills and all to be our number1 LB. trading peek would be stupid, we need him in houston and no where else. but yeah if babin put a couple more pounds on he be a great DE.
TexansNeedRBin05
Waterboy
Wong is hurt or he could would be starting...Wade is toast and not sure about Payne yet.
BigDTexansFan
Rookie
gtexan02 said:
With 2 OT's taken in draft and Salaam being signed can see one of the 2 tackles going out door. Weigert is a good possibility due to age and injuries, Wong will open season IR so he will be kept. I don't think you cut Babin until you see what he does as DE. Joppru and Bruener could be casualties of TE drafted and fact that Matt Murphy is pretty good
Texans Horror
All Pro
BigDTexansFan said:
Wade's the
with the injury. If we keep him, it's for economical reasons. Weigert's number one on the depth charts for RT, so I don't think he'll go.
the wonger need food
All Pro
BigDTexansFan said:
Murphy is moving to Tackle. His number is now 79.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
the wonger need food said:
Really?? Wow that is an interesting career move. Is there any more information on this??
the wonger need food
All Pro
kiwitexansfan said:
Just this. And the fact that his number has changed to a lineman's.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2560§ion=N%20Latest%20News
The Texans offense will feature plenty of two-tight end sets, particularly on running downs, where Daniels could see time along with veteran Mark Bruener, free agent acquisition Jeb Putzier, former second-round pick Bennie Joppru and Matt Murphy, who also could play tackle.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Todd Wade (5.2 million)
Seth Payne (4.2 million)
Morlon Greenwood (3.9 million)
I think that these three players have the best shot at getting cut. Drafting DeMeco should be a warning to Greenwood and maybe even to Kailee. Greenwood got way more money than he deserved so I wouldn't be disappointed if he got cut.
We'd probably have DRob, PBuc, McKenzie, Sanders, and hopefully we sign someone or we will bring up Mark Estelle or Andre Torrey from NFLE on as our 5th CB.
Seth Payne (4.2 million)
Morlon Greenwood (3.9 million)
I think that these three players have the best shot at getting cut. Drafting DeMeco should be a warning to Greenwood and maybe even to Kailee. Greenwood got way more money than he deserved so I wouldn't be disappointed if he got cut.
Meloy said:
We'd probably have DRob, PBuc, McKenzie, Sanders, and hopefully we sign someone or we will bring up Mark Estelle or Andre Torrey from NFLE on as our 5th CB.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Runner said:
This is interesting and good news. Does anyone have any more info on this one.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Scout.com lists Kailee Wong as a possible June 1st cut. I can defainitely see that after drafting DeMeco I think we will be fine without him. Greenwood/Cowart/Ryans looks good to me.
http://chargers.scout.com/2/533044.html
http://chargers.scout.com/2/533044.html
GP
Go Texans!
Kaiser Toro said:
And at the player stats on nfl.com, if I sorted the LB stats for the AFC correctly, he was 14th (in the AFC only) with 112 total tackles (solo, assist, and sacks all combined) and then Polk was 22nd in the AFC.
Greenwood was perhaps our best LB last season, which is sad. And even sadder is that Polk was the NEXT best (statistically speaking). Talk about having a pretty average LB crew. Ouch.
And for all the UT homers who still have a huge man crush on Derrick Johnson, he's one notch above Polk at 21st on the AFC LB list. Not exactly the Pro Bowl caliber LB that we always hear about from the man crushers. "Oh why, oh why did we pass up Derrick Johnson?!"
link: http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/AFC/LB-TACKLES/2005/regular?&_3:col_1=14&_3:col_2=15
S
SESupergenius
Guest
And our selection of TJ was better? See where TJ ranked last year and I'll take DJ over that any day.
Big name probable cuts:
* Wade- not fast enough and may not make it back from the injury anyway
* Bruener- veteran leadership but more of a Capers than Kubes TE and he is one of the few bubble moves we have that saves us ($1M I recall) vs costing us cap money
Possible cuts:
* Joppru- wild card...hope he stays plus he is cheap actually to keep
* Wong- depends on his knee, if he can't compete his probably gone
* Payne- least likely IMO of this group but could be trade material
"No way" cuts from your list IMO:
* Wiegert- possibly our starting RT
* Faggins- already one of our weakest spots depth/competition wise
* Wade- not fast enough and may not make it back from the injury anyway
* Bruener- veteran leadership but more of a Capers than Kubes TE and he is one of the few bubble moves we have that saves us ($1M I recall) vs costing us cap money
Possible cuts:
* Joppru- wild card...hope he stays plus he is cheap actually to keep
* Wong- depends on his knee, if he can't compete his probably gone
* Payne- least likely IMO of this group but could be trade material
"No way" cuts from your list IMO:
* Wiegert- possibly our starting RT
* Faggins- already one of our weakest spots depth/competition wise
TheOgre
All Pro
SESupergenius said:
I didn't like the choice to trade down and take TJ instead of DJ last year. However, now that I know we got Winston as a result of that 3rd round selection, I think we came out better. Neither TJ nor DJ has shown much yet, but I think Winston will be our starting RT for the next 10+ years.
titan hater
Waterboy
TheOgre said:
How do we know that TJ is not going to be good? Dude was in a D that was not really suited for his talents. Now that we are going to the 4-3 we will see significant improvement in his play...With that said, I did want DJ last year but with the advent of Winston this may turn out to be a terriffic move by CC...
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Supergenius did'nt you take Max Jean Gilles with the 14th pick in this years mock draft ? I believe Max was taken right behind Owen Daniels in the real draft .
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I think we all can relax and just in enjoy the ride for a change no more of this :brickwall what was done is done all Kubiak can do now is clean house and bring in his type of player who fit his style of football. Players brought in specificly to fit the 3-4 and unathleitic linemen/anyone are all in danger of losing a roster spot, those names have already been well documented on this thread, that being said it would be sad to lose Babin. I think he could be a really fine strongside DE while Peek could spell the weakside DE position as Mario moves around the field causing havoc for offenses to account for 
no more of this :brickwall what was done is done all Kubiak can do now is clean house and bring in his type of player who fit his style of football. Players brought in specificly to fit the 3-4 and unathleitic linemen/anyone are all in danger of losing a roster spot, those names have already been well documented on this thread, that being said it would be sad to lose Babin. I think he could be a really fine strongside DE while Peek could spell the weakside DE position as Mario moves around the field causing havoc for offenses to account for 