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Josh Norman now an UNRESTRICTED free agent

CloakNNNdagger said:
With this suddeness, wonder if the next thing you hear is that he likes weed (first day of testing) or some other substance better than football...........ie, suspension around the corner????????
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My first thought is that players who are elite at their position (and granted, it's only been a year of that for Norman) don't get cut for failing a drug test (PED or the other kind). And I know he wasn't technically cut, but effectively he was.

My other thought is that if he really thought that might happen - and was concerned about it - he would have been in the Eagles offices the day after he took the test that he failed to sign the franchise tender.

I find it curious that with the apparent suddenness of this, the Eagles go from having control of an elite player at market value with no commitment/risk beyond a year, and they let him go and get absolutely zero in return.
 
My guess is Carolina thinks he's being unreasonable in contract negotiations. Maybe they are so far apart that they feel the best option is for him to test the market and bring a realistic number back to the table.

Better to do it now, since most teams have tied up their cap space, than to wait till FA next year when everyone can bid.
 
ChampionTexan said:
My first thought is that players who are elite at their position (and granted, it's only been a year of that for Norman) don't get cut for failing a drug test (PED or the other kind). And I know he wasn't technically cut, but effectively he was.
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Just a thought. If he was already in the Drug Protocol (which is not publicized) and he has been found to fail a second time (but under appeal, which will not be revealed publicly before the final appeal decision)........anticipating already a 4 game suspension for beaucoup money for a "short season" 1 year deal?..........
 
Rick Smith could get a 6th for Schaub but the Panthers cannot get anything for Norman?

I hope he ends up on the Giants. Just so him and Odell can finally spoon.
 
PapaL said:
Rick Smith could get a 6th for Schaub but the Panthers cannot get anything for Norman?

I hope he ends up on the Giants. Just so him and Odell can finally spoon.
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They can't trade him if he doesn't sign the franchise tender. He refused to sign it and said he would sit out. They talked to him and apparently came away thinking he would be a huge distraction during offseason and even into the season so they're cutting him loose. They will get a 3rd round comp pick for him next year this way.
 
wow he's an important part of the defense. Tough decision by Carolina and a gamble on Normans part. I can't blame him for wanting to make the most money possible.
 
WolverineFan said:
They can't trade him if he doesn't sign the franchise tender. He refused to sign it and said he would sit out. They talked to him and apparently came away thinking he would be a huge distraction during offseason and even into the season so they're cutting him loose. They will get a 3rd round comp pick for him next year this way.
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That really doesn't make much sense either.

Five reasons the Panthers screwed up in dumping Josh Norman
By Frank Schwab 1 hour ago
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WolverineFan said:
They can't trade him if he doesn't sign the franchise tender. He refused to sign it and said he would sit out. They talked to him and apparently came away thinking he would be a huge distraction during offseason and even into the season so they're cutting him loose. They will get a 3rd round comp pick for him next year this way.
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He either signed or didn't get paid. I wood have called his bluff and put him on the trading block. Free to negotiate with teams. Someone would have bitten. The team held all the cards and folded.
 
PapaL said:
He either signed or didn't get paid. I wood have called his bluff and put him on the trading block. Free to negotiate with teams. Someone would have bitten. The team held all the cards and folded.
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In retrospect, you wonder if they'd have put the transition tag on him instead of the franchise tag if they might have avoided this whole thing and either kept him for a couple million less than the franchise tag salary, or gotten something for him in return.
 
PapaL said:
At his age and salary demands? Nope. I prefer to run with our guys. Our KJs will be a very good duo.
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His age doesn't bother me a bit. He's 28 years old (turning 29 this December). His salary - that's another matter. The fact he's only really done it for one year would bother me too. As good as he has the potential to be for his next team, CB isn't where the Texans need to be putting another $14 Million-plus per year.
 
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PapaL said:
At his age and salary demands? Nope. I prefer to run with our guys. Our KJs will be a very good duo.
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He's just a few months older than Kareem. If (and I know it's a big IF) his salary demands were reasonable and we had the room, it would be an awesome secondary with his addition. We could move one of the KJ's to safety and finally take care of that position
 
JB said:
He's just a few months older than Kareem. If (and I know it's a big IF) his salary demands were reasonable and we had the room, it would be an awesome secondary with his addition. We could move one of the KJ's to safety and finally take care of that position
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This is an interesting idea. Kareem is very like Glover Quinn in his versatility, as well as his ability to diagnose and close. The biggest question would be whether or not he could physically handle the role of safety. Unlike other smaller safeties like Earl Thomas, Kareem has shown that he simply doesn't have the build to withstand high impact situations, and might be in trouble trying to take on runningbacks inside the box.

I don't see it happening because of Norman's cost, but today's passing game being what it is, we'd go straight to #1 pass coverage defense with that move. As has been proven time and again (the top 2 defenses just faced off in the Superbowl), defense does most certainly win championships. BUT ... the defensive game is won at the linebacker position, and that's something that we're far (FAR) from being near the top at.
 
ChampionTexan said:
His age doesn't bother me a bit. He's 28 years old (turning 29 this December). His salary - that's another matter. The fact he's only really done it for one year would bother me too. As good as he has the potential to be for his next team, CB isn't where the Texans need to be putting another $14 Million-plus per year.
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Too many "one hit wonders" want to be paid like they had already earned a Hall of Fame seat.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Too many "one hit wonders" want to be paid like they had already earned a Hall of Fame seat.
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A bit more rare for an elite corner. Recent memory suggests that a top corner is at most risk of going to a contrary scheme. Nnamdi Asomugha and Darrelle Revis come to mind. Nnamdi went from #1 to total failure. Revis nearly lost everything as well to the Buccs, but was able to get back to better coaching and a ring.

Peaking at 28 years old and a contract season is worth an extra level of scrutiny, and is NOT worth the price tag he wants. Edit: which I'm hearing he's asking for 14+ a year and to be the highest paid corner.
 
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Ian Rapopor has reported that Norman will sign a five-year deal worth $75 million that includes a $50 million guaranteed. And by whom? That "well-run" franchise called the Redskins. I believe that before it's over, there is a good chance that while Norman is making out like a bandit, the Redskins may just look like they took a haircut by a blind barber.

Norman suffered a concussion both in 2014 and in 2015..............and it looks like Snyder has suffered one in 2016.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Ian Rapopor has reported that Norman will sign a five-year deal worth $75 million that includes a $50 million guaranteed. And by whom? That "well-run" franchise called the Redskins. I believe that before it's over, there is a good chance that while Norman is making out like a bandit, the Redskins may just look like they took a haircut by a blind barber.

Norman suffered a concussion both in 2014 and in 2015..............and it looks like Snyder has suffered one in 2016.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Ian Rapopor has reported that Norman will sign a five-year deal worth $75 million that includes a $50 million guaranteed. And by whom? That "well-run" franchise called the Redskins. I believe that before it's over, there is a good chance that while Norman is making out like a bandit, the Redskins may just look like they took a haircut by a blind barber.

Norman suffered a concussion both in 2014 and in 2015..............and it looks like Snyder has suffered one in 2016.
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This isn't surprising in the least bit. Remember Haynesworth's contract?
 
Josh Norman offered to sign Panthers tender, but was too late
Darin Gantt on April 25, 2016, 5:42 AM EDT


Josh Norman fired an agent after he was unable to get a deal with the Panthers for more than a year.

And if he’d have trusted his own counsel, he’d have taken a much smaller deal.

According to a blow-by-blow account of Norman’s signing in Washington by Mike Jones and Master Tesfatsion of the Washington Post, Norman went back to the Panthers after firing agent Michael George and tried to sign the one-year, $13.95 million tender himself, only to find out he was too late.

Thus, with new representation Ryan Williams, he had to settle for a five-year, $75 million deal with $36.5 million (not $50 million) in guarantees.

The fact Norman was willing to crawl back to the Panthers after what had been a contentious process behind the scenes was telling.

Panthers General Manager Dave Gettleman had a air of exasperation when he announced the move, saying it was obvious they were never going to agree on a long-term deal (especially not after Norman had declared himself one of the top five corners of all time and they responded with an $11 million a year offer).

But Norman apparently wasn’t lying all last season when he insisted he wanted to stay with the Panthers, not if he was willing to forego a chance at an open and lucrative market for one more ride with what amounted to his hometown team.

The story also suggests Panthers coaches were unaware of what was going on, and suspected there was more to Gettleman’s move than financial reasons. Coach Ron Rivera offered a tepid “I trust Dave,” last Thursday, but the news that he could have gone into this season without a gaping hole in his secondary has to be galling to a guy who helped develop Norman into one of the league’s top corners.
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It will be interesting to see which team screwed themselves.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It will be interesting to see which team screwed themselves.
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As far as the team, it'll be the panthers. For 1 they're coming off a SB appearance & those teams always fall back to the pack in general b/c like the SB winner, everyone's gunning for them. Gonna be hard to make up for the talent gap that the Norman departure is gonna create. The other reason is, Norman allowed them to do some things on defense that they'll have trouble doing now that he's gone.

But Norman also screwed himself too. He'll be asked to be a shutdown guy without the defensive talent around him that he had in Carolina.
 
I missed most of this thread. However, I've been listening to the NFL station on XM & in their opinion, sounds like Norman was asking for too much... got too much. Of course, according to NFLNetwork, he got what he deserved. But that station is being overrun by players.

I don't have a strong opinion either way, but from what little I did watch him this season, I tend to lean towards the XMRadio guys. He's getting paid like a shut down corner, which I don't think he is. There aren't many of them out there to begin with. But he appears to play mainly zone coverages, on his side of the field... & maybe he shuts down his side, but it's easy enough to play away from him.

Is there value there, sure. How much, I don't know. But to think we just paid $72M for a QB (albeit with 7 starts), I would think a zone CB would come in much cheaper.

Maybe he can play more man coverage. Maybe he can play both sides of the field. There's four years of tape on him I'm sure the Redskins watched to determine his value. That Carolina let him walk... I'm leaning towards not.
 
As TK pointed out, Norman is cover 3 zone guy, as that's how the Panthers played their DBs. He's not a man cover corner. No way I'd pay that kind of money for a one year wonder who primarily played cover 3 zone.

Nnamdi was a guy who played press but more of a trail zone afterward. When he got to Philly, they just assumed he could man guys up and put him in off man coverage a lot. That was a failure as he didn't excel at that in Oakland.

I think this deal is probably worse than the Nnamdi deal, as Nnamdi could actually bump guys at the line and hold up in man for atleast the first few seconds of a route.

It'll be interesting to see how the Redskins use him.
 
Mr teX said:
As far as the team, it'll be the panthers. For 1 they're coming off a SB appearance & those teams always fall back to the pack in general b/c like the SB winner, everyone's gunning for them. Gonna be hard to make up for the talent gap that the Norman departure is gonna create. The other reason is, Norman allowed them to do some things on defense that they'll have trouble doing now that he's gone.

But Norman also screwed himself too. He'll be asked to be a shutdown guy without the defensive talent around him that he had in Carolina.
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It is yet to be determined if the Redskins have given away the farm for a player that ends up being a one hit wonder.
 
There has not be a true "shutdown corner" since Deion Sanders. Wasn't he the reason the term was created in the first place? He is the standard for it, and there has yet to be a CB since him that truly epitomizes the term where QBs refuse to even look at his part of the field. Darrelle Revis has been close, but he's still just a shadow of what Sanders was all about.

Norman has a big mouth and has glossed himself into this contract. When he is expected to live up to the "shutdown corner" tag, he will be exposed.
 
Double Barrel said:
There has not be a true "shutdown corner" since Deion Sanders. Wasn't he the reason the term was created in the first place? He is the standard for it, and there has yet to be a CB since him that truly epitomizes the term where QBs refuse to even look at his part of the field. Darrelle Revis has been close, but he's still just a shadow of what Sanders was all about.

Norman has a big mouth and has glossed himself into this contract. When he is expected to live up to the "shutdown corner" tag, he will be exposed.
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that was my point earlier. The light is very bright on cb's that get branded & paid as a "shutdown" corners & more than likely he won't come close to being considered worth what Washington paid him. Very good yes, but teams won't be afraid to go at him like they were & have been for guys like Deion, Revis and Sherman.
 
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