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Jimbo Fisher bans Florida State players from bars

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Jim Henry ‏@JimHenryTALLY
Word is FSU coach Jimbo Fisher met with his team earlier today. Laid down the law; bars off limits to players. Moving forward with...

bringing in professionals, as President Thrasher indicated in statement yesterday, to meet with players. Proactive as promised.​


Clark: An embarrassing week for Florida State

When I first heard on Friday that Dalvin Cook had been accused of punching a woman outside a Tallahassee bar I immediately said, "Are you kidding me?"

Like you, I might have even thrown an expletive in there somewhere. Because it just never seems to end with this program. The same week that backup quarterback De'Andre Johnson gets dismissed for punching a young woman in the face, Cook gets charged with essentially doing the same thing.

And to make matters worse, Cook's alleged altercation took place one night before Johnson's. It defies belief.

Florida State head coach Jimbo Fisher said in a statement: "We will do better. I will not tolerate anything less."

Florida State president John Thrasher said in his statement: "I am extremely disappointed to learn of this allegation against Dalvin Cook. I fully support the immediate and indefinite suspension of Cook from the football team while we look into this matter further and due process runs its course"

These are the right things to say. Their statements were seriousand were worded strongly.

And they needed to be.

Not because Florida State needs to protect its image with the national media. Because let's face it, that ship has sailed.

No, Florida State needs to protect its image with its own fans. Because they're embarrassed right now.

And that's what the powers that be at FSU need to be concerned about.

I've written on it a few (too many) times in the last year, but this fan base has been through the ringer the last 21 months. They've been besieged with accusations that they cheer for a renegade program, with a win-at-all-costs mentality, that has essentially unleashed violent offenders into this community. Simply because they can help the football team score touchdowns.

Those fans have fought back. Said it's untrue. And unfair. That it's just a narrative the national media is pushing, that the reality on the ground is far less nefarious (and those claims have certainly been valid in certain instances, in my opinion).

But then those same fans, the ones that have been defending the program for the last two years, find out two of their football players allegedly punched women in the face. On consecutive nights in late June.

How do you defend that?

The overwhelming sentiment among the FSU fan base has to be: "enough is enough." It is tired of the negative headlines. Beyond tired, actually. Exhausted. And you truly wonder how much more the Florida State faithful can take of this.

That's why Fisher and Thrasher released those statements.

To tell the FSU fan base and the Tallahassee community that they are fed up with it, too. That they are not going to put up with these (alleged) assaults.

Well, with Johnson it's not just alleged. We saw the video. It was awful. And he was rightly kicked off the team.


With Cook, though, it's a different situation. And not just because he's one of the best running backs in the country. There is no video, first and foremost. There are statements. From the alleged victim that says Cook punched her multiple times. And from Cook, who said he didn't get into a physical altercation at all.

So it's certainly not fair, at this point, to lump Cook in with Johnson. Even with the state attorney feeling there was sufficient evidence to charge the sophomore running back with misdemeanor battery.

He has not been convicted. And Cook says he did nothing wrong. So take that into consideration. This isn't nearly as open and shut as the Johnson case was.

But either way, with two different players being charged with misdemeanor battery within days of each other, this last week has been nothing short of embarrassing for Jimbo Fisher and his football program.

It's been embarrassing for the university as a whole. Obviously.

And it's left an entire fan base wondering if - and when - the bad news will ever stop.​
 
Fisher standing up to it won't make a difference. He's let the inmates run the asylum for too long. It's too late to send a message. The players know that if they are good enough on the field they will be protected off of it. This is the kind of culture Fisher has created. Football is all that matters. Win on the field. That's it.

The backups and scrubs will stay out of trouble. The third string QBs of the world now know they only get one strike. But the studs? Nope. Guarantee they can hit the bar this weekend with no problems.

For years Fisher has recruited the best athletes possible with absolutely no regard for their academic situation or character. The only way they can turn this thing around is if they start targeting different kids. If Fisher does that, then we'll really know he cares about it. Until then, this is just a PR move to keep people off his back.
 
Let's back up a little. I agree it will make no difference but it isn't because of the coach or "culture." Add any other label you want but these are young men hunting (with a very good chance of success) vajayjay.

Unless we have any Catholic priests here, telling them to stop is pissing up a rope.

Worst kind of order - telling your men to not do something you know they are going to do anyway. All you accomplish is a loss of respect on both sides.

I guess you can set up some French "ambulances."
 
Jim Henry ‏@JimHenryTALLY
Word is FSU coach Jimbo Fisher met with his team earlier today. Laid down the law; bars off limits to players. Moving forward with...

bringing in professionals, as President Thrasher indicated in statement yesterday, to meet with players. Proactive as promised.​


Clark: An embarrassing week for Florida State

When I first heard on Friday that Dalvin Cook had been accused of punching a woman outside a Tallahassee bar I immediately said, "Are you kidding me?"

Like you, I might have even thrown an expletive in there somewhere. Because it just never seems to end with this program. The same week that backup quarterback De'Andre Johnson gets dismissed for punching a young woman in the face, Cook gets charged with essentially doing the same thing.

And to make matters worse, Cook's alleged altercation took place one night before Johnson's. It defies belief.

Florida State head coach Jimbo Fisher said in a statement: "We will do better. I will not tolerate anything less."

Florida State president John Thrasher said in his statement: "I am extremely disappointed to learn of this allegation against Dalvin Cook. I fully support the immediate and indefinite suspension of Cook from the football team while we look into this matter further and due process runs its course"

These are the right things to say. Their statements were seriousand were worded strongly.

And they needed to be.

Not because Florida State needs to protect its image with the national media. Because let's face it, that ship has sailed.

No, Florida State needs to protect its image with its own fans. Because they're embarrassed right now.

And that's what the powers that be at FSU need to be concerned about.

I've written on it a few (too many) times in the last year, but this fan base has been through the ringer the last 21 months. They've been besieged with accusations that they cheer for a renegade program, with a win-at-all-costs mentality, that has essentially unleashed violent offenders into this community. Simply because they can help the football team score touchdowns.

Those fans have fought back. Said it's untrue. And unfair. That it's just a narrative the national media is pushing, that the reality on the ground is far less nefarious (and those claims have certainly been valid in certain instances, in my opinion).

But then those same fans, the ones that have been defending the program for the last two years, find out two of their football players allegedly punched women in the face. On consecutive nights in late June.

How do you defend that?

The overwhelming sentiment among the FSU fan base has to be: "enough is enough." It is tired of the negative headlines. Beyond tired, actually. Exhausted. And you truly wonder how much more the Florida State faithful can take of this.

That's why Fisher and Thrasher released those statements.

To tell the FSU fan base and the Tallahassee community that they are fed up with it, too. That they are not going to put up with these (alleged) assaults.

Well, with Johnson it's not just alleged. We saw the video. It was awful. And he was rightly kicked off the team.


With Cook, though, it's a different situation. And not just because he's one of the best running backs in the country. There is no video, first and foremost. There are statements. From the alleged victim that says Cook punched her multiple times. And from Cook, who said he didn't get into a physical altercation at all.

So it's certainly not fair, at this point, to lump Cook in with Johnson. Even with the state attorney feeling there was sufficient evidence to charge the sophomore running back with misdemeanor battery.

He has not been convicted. And Cook says he did nothing wrong. So take that into consideration. This isn't nearly as open and shut as the Johnson case was.

But either way, with two different players being charged with misdemeanor battery within days of each other, this last week has been nothing short of embarrassing for Jimbo Fisher and his football program.

It's been embarrassing for the university as a whole. Obviously.

And it's left an entire fan base wondering if - and when - the bad news will ever stop.​
I'm in absolute agreement in banning players from bars, particularly since most are underage anyway. But the video shows the slap was in response to the girl slapping him first. Why should we tolerate a woman's slap any more than the slap of a guy? Is this sexism at work?

But seriously, the promotion of physical altercations by women toward men as some sort of liberating experience is detrimental to those same women.
 
I'm in absolute agreement in banning players from bars, particularly since most are underage anyway. But the video shows the slap was in response to the girl slapping him first. Why should we tolerate a woman's slap any more than the slap of a guy? Is this sexism at work?

But seriously, the promotion of physical altercations by women toward men as some sort of liberating experience is detrimental to those same women.

I don't think anyone is saying she's ok for taking a swing at the kid.
 
I don't think anyone is saying she's ok for taking a swing at the kid.
I am not exactly impartial on the subject of intoxication. The only thing I see for recreational (as opposed to medical) alcohol consumption is a choice between meanness and stupidity, neither of which is a virtue.

Let's really be honest about it. It is just an excuse for behaving badly.

But the promotion of physical altercations by women is an ongoing theme which has gone too far. I understand it's roots are in overcoming the passiveness and helplessness expected of women under attack in previous generations, but the distinction between offensive and defensive physicality is blurred. This concern was the source for my comment.
 
I think it's a knee jerk reaction & pretty soon, if not already, he's going to wish he hadn't said anything.

These kids don't need to go to a bar to get into this kind of trouble. This can easily happen, & most likely has, at a frat party, a concert, a basketball game, or a steakhouse.

It wasn't the bar that made Johnson punch that woman anymore than it was the elevator that set Ray Rice off.
 
I think it's a knee jerk reaction & pretty soon, if not already, he's going to wish he hadn't said anything.

These kids don't need to go to a bar to get into this kind of trouble. This can easily happen, & most likely has, at a frat party, a concert, a basketball game, or a steakhouse.

It wasn't the bar that made Johnson punch that woman anymore than it was the elevator that set Ray Rice off.

What he said.

Or as DB is fond of, this was a symbol for the simple minded.
 
I am not exactly impartial on the subject of intoxication. The only thing I see for recreational (as opposed to medical) alcohol consumption is a choice between meanness and stupidity, neither of which is a virtue.

Let's really be honest about it. It is just an excuse for behaving badly.

But the promotion of physical altercations by women is an ongoing theme which has gone too far. I understand it's roots are in overcoming the passiveness and helplessness expected of women under attack in previous generations, but the distinction between offensive and defensive physicality is blurred. This concern was the source for my comment.

Do you post while typing from in front of a mirror?
 
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