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Jamie Sharper Comments

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does anyone have quotes of what jamie sharper said last season that got him in hot water? i seem to remember he was blaming the coaches for a "trying not to lose" mentallity and generally upset with how things were being ran. i'm a bit curious as to what exactly what was said and how it applies to where we are right now.
 
I remember him saying they needed someone to lead the team. It was speculated that he might be talking about coaching and I also remember some people saying that HE should try doing a little leading (by example, I assume) himself. When I first heard that quote, I didn't think anything of it myself, but that's probably because I'm so used to hearing all the politically correct stuff that's so meaningless.
 
"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."
 
"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Does Sharper mean a player? Different coaches? Who?

"I don't know," he said.


You know after re-reading those comments, he is dead on! No wonder they let him go. He passed the buck up, instead of down. That is not allowed. He was talking directly to the Coaching staff, just like we are now. That is kinda funny actually. I think Mr. McNair needs to read those comments again.
 
"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

thanks wonger, that was the quote i was looking for (taken from his second link being from the chronicle). i took it then, and take it now as a finger pointed at the coaching staff. it still applies i think. we need direction for this team that we're not getting. you saw jamie leading the defense in nearly every statistic possible, and you see dunta on fire each game both on and off the field. the leadership has to come from the coaches to get everyone on the same page and give them a firm direction, isnt that what coaches are paid for? i hope we see more players this season saying exactly the same things as jamie & gary did. they're playing their hardest, but are they playing to the potential that they would if they were under a different staff such as belichick's or cowher's?

i know it's just another post added to the blame the coaches stack, but until things are done to remedy the situation, it's the top priority.
 
oh, and as a preemptive strike ... that "i dont know" at the end, i firmly believe that he decided to bite his tongue rather than bite the hand that feeds. at his age, he'd have zero value if he tacked on names there at the end.
 
Well, Sharper was right. If I remember right, he was the only member of the team that had won a Superbowl. :hmmm Let me know if there is anyone else.

I think it may have been the coaches he was talking about.
 
Sharper was talking about every individual in the organization from the owner to the timeclock guy. He meant it as a way of saying we need to be accountable and step up and lead our team out of damnation. He was right, but you dont say it publicly if you want to stay with a team. Aaron Glenn was still a mistake to let go, but cudos to THe Tuna for wooing him away from us.
 
I always thought and still believe Sharper was talking about the coaching staff. A whole lot of people on this bb jumped out and said he shouldn't be saying what he said and be a leader himself. I think we can see in Sharpers absence that he truly was a leader and is missed along with Glenn.
 
bckey said:
I think we can see in Sharpers absence that he truly was a leader and is missed along with Glenn.
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i dont know about that. weve had a slight case of growing pains but i still believe we will be just fine, if not better, without both of the defensive "leaders"
 
HJam72 said:
Anybody know how Sharper's doing with Seattle (I think it's Seattle)?
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He's #30 to date in the NFC (gets knocked out of the list NFL wide) 16 tackles, 5 assists.

Wong has 17 tackles, 9 assists for reference. and is 21st in the AFC, 30th overall.
 
"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Does Sharper mean a player? Different coaches? Who?

"I don't know," he said.

Jamie is not a soothsayer. He knew there was a problem. Well, a year later, we still have a problem. Guess Jamie knew what he was talking about.

Please bring Jamie back------I have 3 of his jerseys---LOL!

bobby 119C :texflag:
 
bckey said:
I think we can see in Sharpers absence that he truly was a leader and is missed along with Glenn.
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Really? How is that so obvious other than it is what you thought prior to the season?

Total D
2004 341.1 ypg 19 1st downs pg 43.4% 3rd down conv. 30:01 TOP 4.4 ypc
2005 358.3 ypg 20 1st downs pg 31.4 3rd down conv. 33:58 TOP 4.1 ypc

Looks like they are doing better against the run and a lot better on 3rd down with a blip on total yards and 1st downs because the offense can't stay on the field.

Glenn you could see with emotion on the field and helping out the other DB's on the sidelines. What could you ever see from Sharper? When did you ever see him on the field firing up the team or on the sideline working with Peek, Babin, Orr, Polk, Foley or even Foreman? I just don't understand the assumption that every veteran is a leader. Sharper was a great LB the 1st two years and an above average one the 3rd year based on his play. That doesn't mean he was a leader.
 
HJam72 said:
Anybody know how Sharper's doing with Seattle (I think it's Seattle)?
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Individual Defense
Total Tackles Assists Sacks Fum Rec
Lofa Tatupu 24 18.0 6 2 0
Jamie Sharper 21 16.0 5 0 0
D.D. Lewis 21 17.0 4 0 0
Michael Boulware 19 15.0 4 2 0

bobby 119C :texflag:
 
Just because Sharper doesn't get all overhyped up doesn't mean he's not a leader. Our administration of personnel has been pretty bad whether it be through the draft, acquiring free agents...etc. This is no different. There is a reason both Glenn and Sharper were picked up relatively quickly....they were good.
 
SESupergenius said:
Just because Sharper doesn't get all overhyped up doesn't mean he's not a leader. Our administration of personnel has been pretty bad whether it be through the draft, acquiring free agents...etc. This is no different. There is a reason both Glenn and Sharper were picked up relatively quickly....they were good.
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I agree both were good players still. And I agree getting overhyped isn't the only sign of leadership. That is why I mentioned sideline demeanor. I happen to sit on the Texans sideline very low and was surprised by how little different players interacted in between series. I particularly noticed (because he was one of my favorite D players by the way) that Jamie came off the field and either stood around with his gatorade or sat down and didn't talk much with anyone particularly not with the younger LBs. In contrast, you could often see a big group of DB's standing together talking. None of us knows what happens in the lockerroom, but from what we could see on the field and at the sideline IMO Sharper was a great player with no significant leadership role.
 
infantrycak said:
I agree both were good players still. And I agree getting overhyped isn't the only sign of leadership. That is why I mentioned sideline demeanor. I happen to sit on the Texans sideline very low and was surprised by how little different players interacted in between series. I particularly noticed (because he was one of my favorite D players by the way) that Jamie came off the field and either stood around with his gatorade or sat down and didn't talk much with anyone particularly not with the younger LBs. In contrast, you could often see a big group of DB's standing together talking. None of us knows what happens in the lockerroom, but from what we could see on the field and at the sideline IMO Sharper was a great player with no significant leadership role.
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Good observation, this is a granular issue that needs to be resolved immediately. Just not sure if we have that type of leader(s) on the team or on the staff.
 
Jamie Sharper: "We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Dom Capers this week: "our goal was to get the game into the fourth quarter and find a way to make plays to finish the game off."


I'll let this speak for itself. Some things are just self-evident. :texflag:
 
Porky said:
Jamie Sharper: "We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Dom Capers this week: "our goal was to get the game into the fourth quarter and find a way to make plays to finish the game off."


I'll let this speak for itself. Some things are just self-evident. :texflag:
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He may very well have been right, but does that make him a leader? Not in my book anymore than the twenty five people that have complained and second guessed around the kitchen of every business I have been around--they are right sometimes as well, but they aren't leaders.
 
infantrycak said:
He may very well have been right, but does that make him a leader? Not in my book anymore than the twenty five people that have complained and second guessed around the kitchen of every business I have been around--they are right sometimes as well, but they aren't leaders.
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I wasn't neccesarily commenting on his leadership, I was commenting on the correctness of his comments. IMO, it's pretty clear, that Dom plays not to lose, rather than to win. That kind of BS has got to go. :texans:
 
infantrycak said:
Really? How is that so obvious other than it is what you thought prior to the season?

Total D
2004 341.1 ypg 19 1st downs pg 43.4% 3rd down conv. 30:01 TOP 4.4 ypc
2005 358.3 ypg 20 1st downs pg 31.4 3rd down conv. 33:58 TOP 4.1 ypc

Looks like they are doing better against the run and a lot better on 3rd down with a blip on total yards and 1st downs because the offense can't stay on the field.
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Let's file that under Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics shall we? Our first two games the dogs were obviously called off; it's obvious those stats could have been worse. Did the Steelers even attempt a pass in the 4th quarter? The Bills offense has also gone in the toliet after facing us. These aren't coincidences, we DESERVE to be ranked #32.

Sharper definitely hasn't been "lighting up the charts" in Seattle, but he's not done yet either. I still would've like he & Glenn along for this years ride as Mentors, but it wasn't gonna happen. As for his comments, he an experienced enough Veteran to now when things are broken. Most people chalked up his comments to 'sour grapes'; perhaps he was trying to send a signal to the front office?
 
Yeah, but if you cannot AFFECT change, it doesn't matter how hard you try on the field, how vocal you are on the sideline, in the lockeroom, in the media, with other guys after hours, etc., etc., etc.

You can have the right answers. You can have the support of your teammates and the trust and the accountability--ALL OF IT--and in the end it won;t do squat if the people in charge (the coaches) go about THEIR jobs in such a way that undercuts your ability and talents.

You're just spinning your wheels as a player on this team, and that's probably what Sharper meant. And that's probably why Sharper just sat and drank Gatorade and didn't make the effort to be the leader that we expect a guy like him to be. It makes me respect Dunta more.

It gets to be very discouraging when you're the one on the front lines and the generals are calling the strategy in such a way that just doesn't produce an outcome the soldiers know is possible.

WWII was won on the beaches of Normandy, and Eisenhower was given the incredible responsibility of coordinating the Allied assault on the beaches. What a weight to carry! But he did it right, and it worked. Those kind of leaders are out there, in terms of caoches, but it just seems like Capers is more of a Big Brother-Big Sister mentor who was hired for his knack of being a solid character guy who would get this team built with class and integrity.

And that was fine a few years ago, but he doesn't have what it takes in today's NFL. Nobody can spin it in such a way that shows Capers is definitely a guy who knows today's NFL. Gibbs' Redskins are undefeated by LUCK, and Parcells' team is showing itself to be not as big a deal as we thought in the first two weeks. It always comes full circle. Always. And it's come full circle for Capers, IMO. Great job on laying a foundation of character, Dom Capers. Thank you for getting us started in the right direction. But...it's time for the level of playcalling and philosopohy to get updated to today's standard.

Coaching and players have to be matched together. Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl with great player-coaching matching. Then, Keyshawn happened. They cut him. They didn't re-sign Lynch. They got rid of Sapp. And look at them now, the chemistry is back. The defense is back. Gruden didn't just stop being a good coach after he won the Super Bowl, only to magically reappear this season. He re-vamped his players to fit that same mentaility he had in the SUper Bowl season, and it's working because HIS SYSTEM and HIS PLAYERS are matched. I just don;t think Carr, DD, and AJ match capers' philosophy. They are explosive, flammable, exciting. Capers is a FB dive kind of guy, and that era is just over. It's over. Even the Steelers know that Bettis can't be expected to grind out 200 yards and run-run-run-run-run-run all game long. They got 'em a guy in Cheeseburger who is capable of throwing the ball, and they mix it up to where the other team's defense doesn;t know what's coming next: Run or Pass? And when you do that, you win games.

But there's no guessing against this Houston team. It's "Play a safety along with the CB over AJ, and plant your LBs in the middle of the field for either a pass rush or key on DD," and you've basically stopped our offense.

There is a ceiling on this team with regards to the coaching, the players, and the system ran by the coaches. The players cannot overcome Capers' "let''s pound out field goals and just keep it close to the end" philosophy.

You play the game to win, according to one head coach. And we're not playing it to win right now. We're playing it to POSSIBLY win if we can keep it close. His philospohy and him stating it publicly should be all that an owner needs to realize that there's a head coach (Capers) who is basically trying to minimize RISK OF FAILURE for the sake of either keeping it close and winning it in the end, or at least not getting blown out for making risky and failing playcalling.

My goodness.

Beat up the other team from the opening kickoff and make THEM keep it close to the end. Why does he do this to us? No wonder players like Sharper make those comments. I would, too.
 
infantrycak said:
He may very well have been right, but does that make him a leader? Not in my book anymore than the twenty five people that have complained and second guessed around the kitchen of every business I have been around--they are right sometimes as well, but they aren't leaders.
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ok you've won me over on the leadership thing, Sharper was not a great leader. But he was a solid veteran that gave good commands on the field, that in indeniable. What I thought the problem was, was that we didn't bring in a player that was better then him to compliment him or take the lead. Instead we let him go and replaced him with lesser talent. If we would have brought in Hartwell or Bell or Boulware or Haggans or Trotter or etc... then we would have had a good upgrade of our linebackers. Same goes for the CB situation.

Oh, and by the way are AJ and Walker considered not leaders, they basically said the same thing as Sharper did?
 
disaacks3 said:
Let's file that under Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics shall we? Our first two games the dogs were obviously called off; it's obvious those stats could have been worse. Did the Steelers even attempt a pass in the 4th quarter? The Bills offense has also gone in the toliet after facing us. These aren't coincidences, we DESERVE to be ranked #32.
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We got blown out of games and coasted on last year as well. What I was basically pointing out were rushing average--that isn't something teams coast on--and 3rd down %--also something teams don't coast on much if any since they are trying to burn out the clock. In any event, the original statement was it is obvious we are missing Sharper's leadership. While I see plenty of things to complain about on D, I don't see where Sharper's leadership is obviously missing. What exactly would be different?
 
Heck of a post gp...

Coaching and players have to be matched together. Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl with great player-coaching matching. Then, Keyshawn happened. They cut him. They didn't re-sign Lynch. They got rid of Sapp. And look at them now, the chemistry is back. The defense is back. Gruden didn't just stop being a good coach after he won the Super Bowl, only to magically reappear this season. He re-vamped his players to fit that same mentaility he had in the SUper Bowl season, and it's working because HIS SYSTEM and HIS PLAYERS are matched. I just don;t think Carr, DD, and AJ match capers' philosophy. They are explosive, flammable, exciting. Capers is a FB dive kind of guy, and that era is just over. It's over. Even the Steelers know that Bettis can't be expected to grind out 200 yards and run-run-run-run-run-run all game long. They got 'em a guy in Cheeseburger who is capable of throwing the ball, and they mix it up to where the other team's defense doesn;t know what's coming next: Run or Pass? And when you do that, you win games.
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Alas, so we have come full circle it seems with the issue. Question for my sake is - Is Capers not communicating to CC his needs for the system to work? (I think so, as Capers has said that he and CC discuss players to go get during the draft, FA, etc.)

So if they ARE communicating... who really doesn't know what the team needs... Capers or Casserly... or both?
 
SESupergenius said:
What I thought the problem was, was that we didn't bring in a player that was better then him to compliment him or take the lead. Instead we let him go and replaced him with lesser talent. If we would have brought in Hartwell or Bell or Boulware or Haggans or Trotter or etc... then we would have had a good upgrade of our linebackers.
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I agree on this. I still haven't seen enough of Greenwood to conclude he can't be a solid player and I understood the money reasons on the Sharper decision. That said, a more proven commodity to replace a proven commodity, especially at the new car price, would have been a better idea.

Oh, and by the way are AJ and Walker considered not leaders, they basically said the same thing as Sharper did?
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When I am commenting about Sharper it is basically on in game observations not his comments. Same thing applies to other players. I haven't focused as much on Walker, but generally I don't notice as much interaction with players and their units on the sidelines as I would like. I would like to see one of the DL talking to the DL, one of the LB's talking to the LB's, etc. Pretty much have only seen that consistantly from the DB's. I'd also like to see the WR's talking to Carr more in between series as well.
 
QB's more or less talk to the lineman, whereas the WR usually bunch up. They try and pump each other within their own units. I'd love to see more mentoring too (Glenn comes to mind when was doing that with Dunta), but I just don't get that vibe. Wong should be mentoring Babin, does that happen? Wong played on the left side and did a fantastic job, he should be guiding Babin now that he is(was) there. Who is the leader on the defense, I have no idea?
 
I guess some of the DL are leaders? G-Funk is pretty emotional during the games. (When he isn't hurt)

Most of our D leaders seem like the reserved vets (at most) like Wong, Coleman, etc. Strangely the most vocal leader we seem to have right now is a 2nd year pro, nothing against Robinson but that usually isn't a good thing. We need more players on defense to take control.
 
Some of this is leadership, some is just excitement, involvement whatever. TO and Moss are prima donnas, but they are over talking to their QB's about what routes they think they can get open on, moves they are going to pull, etc. Of course maybe in the 15" Palmer notebook there wasn't a page for do what the QB and WR see is a weakness in the D. Same thing with other teams and positions. It isn't constant between every series but watch the sidelines for pro-bowlers and they are prowling, talking to their units, other players on D, etc.. More involvement than "well the coaches decided on Monday and Tuesday what we are going to do so let's sit around and wait for our next chance to try to do it." On the other hand, I wonder about coaching that doesn't appear to encourage that kind of thing.
 
Dunta is the leader.

it's not just his talent, which we know he has loads of.

It's the fire. The passion. The open-field tackles. The look in his eyes. The getting up in P-Buch's grill and not caring what the response might be.

TJ is supposedly the same kind of guy, but I just see him trailing into the TV screen at the end of most plays...gradually slowing down to a walk by the time the pile forms.

I am seriously concerned that TJ might be a weird Ricky Williams-type of player that has social disorders and thinks he's some sort of modern-day warrior but can't produce on the field when needed. If not, then he's just half-timing it and playing a rope-a-dope for some big-time explosion when he's palnning to take over full time for Walker or someone else.

But right now, the guy is a puzzle to me. Maybe I drank the kool-aid on draft day. He needs to show up and be a first-rounder for goodness sakes.
 
infantrycak said:
In any event, the original statement was it is obvious we are missing Sharper's leadership. While I see plenty of things to complain about on D, I don't see where Sharper's leadership is obviously missing. What exactly would be different?
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Perhaps nothing would be different, but we'll never know for sure. We are definitely missing leadership ITSELF on Defense, especially as regards our LB corps. When you bench a OLB starter due to non-performance and mistakes, it doesn't bode well, especially when your other OLB has a hard time going a game w/o a bonehead penalty.

I've reached the point where you can't really blame it on the players any more. If you brought in players w/o potential, it's the GM's fault. If you can't make them perform to their potential, it's the Head Coach's fault.
 
This has been my biggest thing from the beginning, we don't make adjustments. It's cruial in battle to make adjustments. (page 34 Sun Tzu -Art of War) But really, are we making on the field adjustements??
 
disaacks3 said:
I've reached the point where you can't really blame it on the players any more. If you brought in players w/o potential, it's the GM's fault. If you can't make them perform to their potential, it's the Head Coach's fault.
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This is where I am at. We may not have average NFL talent (I think we actually do)--if we don't it is on Casserly's head--if we do it is on the coaches heads. One thing is certain IMO--these coaches are not getting the best out of the players they do have.

As for adjustments, heck in game adjustments seem like a tall order when the coaching staff can't react over an entire season or several seasons.

I'll give you an adjustment a blind hog could make:

AJ's 7 most successful games, where he went for over 100 yds--what WR's were a factor?

AJ 47 rec. 849 yds

Bradford 8 rec. 63 yds
Armstrong 10 rec. 144 yds
Gaffney 17 rec. 151 yds

I don't care if Armstrong and Gaffney are turtles either they are just plain boring the DB's into getting open, they actually have some moves and understanding of zones and/or Carr is comfortable with them, but they are getting receptions when they are in the game or lord forbid actually on the active roster. Coaching conclusion?--let's keep trotting Bradford out there to draw coverage away. Great adjustment there coach.
 
ccdude730 said:
i dont know about that. weve had a slight case of growing pains but i still believe we will be just fine, if not better, without both of the defensive "leaders"
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my god! we're 0 and 3 and will finish with less than 4 wins. Are you capers OR casserley? get rid of all the leaders and keep the scrubs mentality!!!

people like you scare me because you probably have offspring, vote, drive a car and owna firearm... :brickwall
 
Sharper won a superbowl with the Ravens. I think that in itself causes younger players to respect you and look up to you regardless if you ever utter a word.

Glenn was a probowl player that had plenty of knowledge to pass on. I think things would have been different if the Texans would have drafted a rookie cb for him to mentor like he did with Dunta.
 
touttail said:
"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Does Sharper mean a player? Different coaches? Who?

"I don't know," he said.

Jamie is not a soothsayer. He knew there was a problem. Well, a year later, we still have a problem. Guess Jamie knew what he was talking about.

Please bring Jamie back------I have 3 of his jerseys---LOL!

bobby 119C :texflag:
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LOL I do, too. And I'm reminded EVERYTIME I wear them: *um, Shell? You KNOW he's in Seattle now, right?*

DUH.

And, for the record...when they traded him, our defensive ranking dropped from 23rd to 28th.

BAD MOVE, people!!!
 
texan_fan said:
LOL I do, too. And I'm reminded EVERYTIME I wear them: *um, Shell? You KNOW he's in Seattle now, right?*

DUH.

And, for the record...when they traded him, our defensive ranking dropped from 23rd to 28th.

BAD MOVE, people!!!
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Texan Fan, I bought a customized jersey with my personal name on it. The Texans can't cut me from the team, so I'm a lifetime player.

bobby 119C :texflag:
 
Short Story....I was in Academy two days ago checking out some newer caps I hadn't seen for the Texans and the guy next to me says,

"You may want to wait till Monday, because after this Sunday they'll probably be 50% off."

I couldn't help myself, I laughed. A situation I normally would've come up with an excuse for why they are playing so badly.

I love my Texans more than anything, and I may at times be overcritical, negative, dramatic, etc. but they are still my team. If I didn't care I wouldn't be here. This may not be the thread to have posted on but I just wanted to put it out there to see if I'm the only one who found it humurous even if it was at the expense of my team.
 
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