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Jaguars D Just Got Stronger

jagualex said:
And i guess that means Payton owns the texans.....say have you ever beat them/
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And Brady owns Peyton, Brady works for Belichick, who works for Kraft. My god, Kraft owns the entire league.
 
jagualex said:
And i guess that means Payton owns the texans.....say have you ever beat them/
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that one.

Pay-me-a-ton has his career games against them.

I'm still seeing a Dallas Clark taking 30 seconds to score a touchdown.

And um, the Colts own the Texans. :)
 
he is approaching 30 after a knee surgery... it is a well known fact that most backs, tend to drop off around that age, sure there are some exceptions, im not saying taylor is going to be horrible next year, im not saying he is going to be avg like 3 yards a carry and only gain like 900 yards, but i think now is the time where you will see the wear and tear of the nfl make its impact on Taylor, and his numbers will start to fall off... like i said earlier, DD might not be better than Taylor now, but he has more upside for the future, and thats why I'd rather have DD
 
THEFUTURE said:
he is approaching 30 after a knee surgery... it is a well known fact that most backs, tend to drop off around that age, sure there are some exceptions, im not saying taylor is going to be horrible next year, im not saying he is going to be avg like 3 yards a carry and only gain like 900 yards, but i think now is the time where you will see the wear and tear of the nfl make its impact on Taylor, and his numbers will start to fall off... like i said earlier, DD might not be better than Taylor now, but he has more upside for the future, and thats why I'd rather have DD
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Man boy listen Fred Taylor still throwed though and plus he gettin old and bad while DAVIS is still young and gettin better he gonna run thru jaguars again plus jaguars never beat COLTS and we kept them under 30 points HAVOC and plus we shut yall down
 
H-townTexan said:
Man boy listen Fred Taylor still throwed though and plus he gettin old and bad while DAVIS is still young and gettin better he gonna run thru jaguars again plus jaguars never beat COLTS and we kept them under 30 points HAVOC and plus we shut yall down
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is this directed at me??? cuz i didnt say anything bout the colts, but the jags have beat the colts, plus im a texan fan, so you didnt shut me down....and im saying id rather have davis, you should read what i am saying... im confused, maybe your not talking to me, but you cited my previous article, so im not sure
 
THEFUTURE said:
is this directed at me??? cuz i didnt say anything bout the colts, but the jags have beat the colts, plus im a texan fan, so you didnt shut me down....and im saying id rather have davis, you should read what i am saying... im confused, maybe your not talking to me, but you cited my previous article, so im not sure
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It took me a while to decipher what he said, but he is a Texan (go figure) and is trying to say that DD is better than Taylor. Christ, yes, DD is younger and so the future is brighter, but he still is nothing compared to Taylor.

And, yes, we've beat the Colts, and we held them to 24 points both times we played them last year. And we would have beat them the first game if it wasn't for some phantom holding call.

And there's not much I can say to the one that mentioned "Owned" again. Our team fell apart and we lost, horribly, both times. Congratulations. Hopefully this year it won't happen the same way.
 
Just a side note. We almost beat the Colts a couple of times. I believe they have blown us out 3 times, but we have been at 11 points or less difference 3 times. The Jags really don't get blown out by Indy during the same timespan.

This would lead me to believe the Texans have a greater hill to climb when compared to Indy. I think the upside is that our secondary is getting younger and Indy is getting older.

If we managed to draft Pac-man then I believe with Drob as #1, Pac-man #2, and Faggins as the NB we will be in good shape for the future.

BTW Jags fans Our LB's are only getting better. The big question mark on defense is wether or not Payne and Walker can play to previous form.
 
Anyone that thinks that DD is in the same class as Fred Taylor is delusional. Taylor is the most underrated RB in the NFL. My only knock against him was that he was injured a lot early in his career. It seems like that has gone away. Look at his career YPC and he blows away DD.

Take off your Homer glasses and be objective.
 
TheOgre said:
Taylor is the most underrated RB in the NFL.
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Removing DD from the equation, Taylor is a great RB. One problem with calling him underrated though is he has a career track record of not getting the ball in the end-zone, or not being trusted enough by the coaching staff to let him even try.
 
infantrycak said:
Removing DD from the equation, Taylor is a great RB. One problem with calling him underrated though is he has a career track record of not getting the ball in the end-zone, or not being trusted enough by the coaching staff to let him even try.
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Was Barry Sanders a great back? He often had guys like Cory Schlesinger getting carries near the goalline.
 
TheOgre said:
Was Barry Sanders a great back? He often had guys like Cory Schlesinger getting carries near the goalline.
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Barry Sanders was a good back. The definition of great rb is player with speed and power, ranging from a 30 yard run td to a goal line situation rb.

Jim Brown, Earl Cambell, Eric Dickerson and currently Jamaal Lewis(Ravens) fits that mold.
 
TheOgre said:
Was Barry Sanders a great back? He often had guys like Cory Schlesinger getting carries near the goalline.
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Well now since I identified Fred Taylor as a great back despite what I see as a flaw in his game then seems clear Sanders would be as well. Having said that Sanders has upsides and downsides like every back--two downsides were getting stuffed a lot and having guys like Cory come in which is related to getting stuffed. People dis Emmitt because he wasn't as flashy as Barry or as likely to bust off a long TD, but if the game comes down to the final drive with 5 minutes on the clock and you were only going to put one HB in the game who would it be Emmitt or Barry? Both great backs, but different.
 
Like i said, Taylor is the better running back, but only for now... his production will start to drop in the next few years of his career
 
THEFUTURE said:
Like i said, Taylor is the better running back, but only for now... his production will start to drop in the next few years of his career
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Well, duh! He's getting older. If Taylor was still able to outproduce DD when he is 33 or 34, then you would have a serious RB situation. Don't compare Taylor in a couple years to DD. Compare Taylor's early career with DD.
 
Koruptified said:
Compare Taylor's early career with DD.
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Well for the 1st two years of their careers:

ypc Taylor wins 4.6 ypc v. 4.1
yards DD wins 2219 v. 1955
TD's DD wins 21 v. 20
20+ runs Taylor wins 14 v. 10
 
I would stick with your argument that Taylor is better than DD right now. Becuase if you look at their first few year stats they are about the same.
 
Havoc said:
Barry Sanders was a good back. The definition of great rb is player with speed and power, ranging from a 30 yard run td to a goal line situation rb.
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Havoc,

You lost the little bit of credibility you had with me. That is absurd! Barry Sanders is one of the top 2-3 backs ever.
 
infantrycak is that purely rushing TD's or is it the total (rushing and receiving) ... either way it looks like its pretty even between the two, and i would have to give it to DD especially with the line he plays behind
 
THEFUTURE said:
infantrycak is that purely rushing TD's or is it the total (rushing and receiving) ... either way it looks like its pretty even between the two, and i would have to give it to DD especially with the line he plays behind
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Those were rushing TD's. Taylor had 3 receiving TD's and DD 1 so on overall TD's Taylor has 23 and DD 22.

Now to stir the pot a little--what is worse having TD's that some don't count because they are from 1 or 2 yards or not being able to make TD's from 1 or 2 yards?

PS--I didn't put the stats up to prove DD is the better back or even as good--someone asked for the comparison. Taylor is the more proven and better back. Having said that, Taylor has run behind better OL's and it would (hopefully will) be interesting to see what DD would do if the OL came together and he shed his Dingable Davis image as Fragile Fred did his to complete a season with the good OL.
 
*Off topic, more like "Jaguars O could get stronger"*

Looks like the Jags are looking at one of our own:

10. Corey Bradford, WR, Houston Texans (6-1, 201)
Bradford is capable of having huge games but never can seem to turn the corner and become a consistent player. It looked like he was ready to make that leap after a strong 2002, but he has strung together back-to-back disappointing seasons. He has great speed and still could develop into a very good No. 2 receiver at the tail end of his career and become a poor man's Muhsin Muhammad.

Interested teams: Dallas Cowboys, Jacksonville Jaguars and San Diego Chargers.
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Bradford is a good guy, but he's got stone hands. Good luck to him if he goes to the Jags, but I don't think he'd be that much of an improvement to the Jags O.
 
texasguy346 said:
Bradford is a good guy, but he's got stone hands. Good luck to him if he goes to the Jags, but I don't think he'd be that much of an improvement to the Jags O.
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He cant do much worse than the ninth overall pick last year:
Reggie Williams
27 catches for 268 yards (9.9 yards per catch) and 1 TD. :heh:
 
Fiddy said:
He cant do much worse than the ninth overall pick last year:
Reggie Williams
27 catches for 268 yards (9.9 yards per catch) and 1 TD. :heh:
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Is it just me or is there a "Bust" echo reverberating around the room whenever Reggie Williams is mentioned.

I know it takes some time to judge a player, but if they are going after Bradford they must not have much faith in Reggie as a #2 (atleast not for next season) which is pretty ironic considering how deep the WR group was last season.
 
why go after bradford, they could find a better WR in the draft... bradford will be lucky to be a teams #3... he could go to the niners and be a star tho, haha
 
I wouldn't call Reggie Williams a bust yet. I think he just got outplayed by Ernest Wilford. Maybe he was just overwhelmed going from the college game to the pro game, but I guess we'll start seeing as he gets more time to get comfortable in the Jags' system. He certainly seems to be a top 10 draft pick who didn't have much of an impact on his team last year though.
 
I forgot if it was Williams that the article was referring to, but there may have been some little disagreement between the two because Leftwich didn't look in Williams direction very often.
 
Believe me There was a trust problem there. I went to every game and saw every away game. Williams is open a lot, it just seems that B-L doesnt have faith in him yet or something....
 
jagualex said:
Believe me There was a trust problem there. I went to every game and saw every away game. Williams is open a lot, it just seems that B-L doesnt have faith in him yet or something....
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Which goes to show that if Byron were to throw more to Reggie, he may have been able to get more done,
 
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