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Jabar Gaffney's parting words....

"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
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Isn't Gaffney right on the money with this? I mean there was a very good reason we cleaned house and brought in Kubiak. Gaffney just nailed it -- except I don't get the 'top of the line facility' part though - as I imagine Reliant and the training areas are at the very least above average.
 
Tale Gator said:
-- except I don't get the 'top of the line facility' part though - as I imagine Reliant and the training areas are at the very least above average.
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I see this as Gaffney realizing that the Texans don't have anything that the other mega-billion dollars organizations don't already have…..as in, whew - I was always told how above average it was in Houston - glad to see it’s pretty much the same.
 
Tale Gator said:
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
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Isn't Gaffney right on the money with this? I mean there was a very good reason we cleaned house and brought in Kubiak. Gaffney just nailed it -- except I don't get the 'top of the line facility' part though - as I imagine Reliant and the training areas are at the very least above average.
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I don't know what he is talking about with the facilities (unless perhaps he was referring to the infamous Pittsburgh game. If people in their seats were having a difficult time of it, I can't imagine it being terribly fun getting whooped in the dead heat with no breeze down on the field).

As for the close knit team part, that is a growing pains thing and hard to avoid. If you get coaches from all over the place and players from all over the place, it is really hard to grow a team if most everyone is The New Guy and your team has little tradition. Yeah, I know people are sick of the expansion label, but 5 years is nothing in this league--they got rats at Texas Stadium older than our franchise.

Getting a close knit team is more than just taking the team to see a movie. It takes time, and trust and a sense of The Way The Team Does Things. Organizations that have been around a while just do things in their team's way--organizations like ours are still trying to find their way some--roof policies, etc.
 
Vinny said:
I see this as Gaffney realizing that the Texans don't have anything that the other mega-billion dollars organizations don't already have…..as in, whew - I was always told how above average it was in Houston - glad to see it’s pretty much the same.
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No doubt. With the Eagles getting a new facility, I have little doubt that it is as nice (or nicer) than the Reliant digs.

I didn't think anything of his comment with regards to the facilities. We know what we have is great, but not necessarily unique.
 
The Eagles built a state of the art training facility and head office a couple of years ago that is called the Nova Care Building. I have no way of knowing if that is what Gaffney is talking about but I find it hard to say our beautiful open Lincoln Financial Stadium is any nicer then your retractable roofed, climate controlled statium.:homer:
 
Vinny said:
And he would catch 9 passes as the first option instead of getting lost in the shuffle. He wasn't the problem here.
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I don't think he was part of the solution either. He caught 4 balls the next week and 5 after that, but nothing earth shattering because when he was named the starting WR he only had 1 td in a 3 game span. His yards per catch were pretty bad. Blame whomever, but he does share in the reason we went 2-14.
 
If Gaffney had those feelings, what is Andre Johnson thinking? I am sure those two talked around the water cooler.

Kubiak better figure that one out or he might be without a #1 WR in a year or so.

Don't tell me they can franchise him, that is a last ditch effort and horrbile planning for guy that wants to play somewhere else.

Maybe AJ totally believes in the organization and it is not an issue, but Kubiak better figure it out and not leave it to chance.
 
I do have to follow up on my post. I had only read this story at first but now I have seen the press conference that this came from. If you could hear the tone of his voice you, like I do now, would know that he was not ripping on Houston. This is just another case of a media hack trying to stir up a story from nothing.:brickwall
 
HARRYJ!!!! Send me your new e-mail!! I've been trying to check up on you for months!! Been worried about you!!

Sorry mods!! Just trying to reach our old Eagle/Texan fan!!
 
Daunta's last words to Gaffney

"How hard is it to see out your earhole?"

Result: Texans 24....A Professional Franchise 9
 
southtexan said:
I wouldn't call Jabar Gaffney a loser....just classless.
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REally? How? I don't think he said anything to warrant "classless". Most of the guys have been all class (bar P Buc).
 
From what he was quoted as saying, I didnt hear anything classless about it...he said that he and the other WR's didnt even have time to get into the route and they could hear the crowd and hed know that David would be down...How is that classless....he is a WR, not an O-Lineman...For all we know he was never offered a contract from Houston and if he was he has all the rights in the world to go and play for whoever he wants...and playing on a Super Bowl team from 2 years ago and the chance to play with a cousin is a once in a lifetime offer for him so I wish him all the luck in the world in Philly(unless they are playing the Texans)...but to call him classless is more like being a sore loser
 
el toro said:
That article shows that the Texans have already pulled off the most significant and most needed move of the offseason with the coaching change. Free agency isn't over, the draft is a month away, and already peeps want to throw the new staff under the bus. If this was Detroit, I could understand.
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The most significant and most needed move certainly was NOT the coaching change. It would be a better line and defense. Unfortunately, Kubiak has yet to really deal with that situation and walks around talking like he knows all the answers when he hasn't been head coach during an NFL game yet.
 
Hulk75 said:
How do you know knowbody spoke up.

Guess you did not here about the 6 hour meeting Carr had with Capers before the last year, were he told him everything we needed. And none of it got done. Probably missed that one right.

If you want a leader you can pick pieces of him off of Reliants field.

I guess the leader your looking for is a big mouth cocky guy and goes and drinks beer with his teamates. If your looking for that out of our QB you aint getting it.

Carr leads by example on and off the field, he is not a raw raw guy sorry.
Trust me as soon as we start winning he be the "leader" again.:rolleyes:
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I know not many spoke up because did you see anyone on offense get deactivated ?

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Gaffney IMO spoke the truth... and that is what it was. nothing classless about it . we struggled as a team and if he is accused or thought of classless then McNair should be thought of as classless for firing Capers and much of the whole staff.
 
SESupergenius said:
I don't think he was part of the solution either. He caught 4 balls the next week and 5 after that, but nothing earth shattering because when he was named the starting WR he only had 1 td in a 3 game span.
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and that comes out to nearly 100 catches a year (18 catches in 3 games). Also, you say he only had one td but Andre Johnson had 2 TD's the entire year (best year has been 6), and that's a bit longer than a 3 game span. I think that we are looking at the wrong people in the QB-WR equation when we point to the failure in this offense.
 
SheTexan said:
HARRYJ!!!! Send me your new e-mail!! I've been trying to check up on you for months!! Been worried about you!!

Sorry mods!! Just trying to reach our old Eagle/Texan fan!!
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Maybe Vinny still remembers me. I sent you an e-mail earlier today. I smell football in the air!:redtowel:
 
Thanks for saying something, Gaffney. Our players (current and former) are too quiet.

I hope Gaffney has better success in the future than he did here. Given our track record with the FAs we let slip away - it wouldn't be surprising if he does.
 
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
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Apparently, Jabar just got to Philadelphia. Because he is living the life of the honeymoon. Philadelphia close knit? You think the folks in Houston are tough on David Carr? This city booed Donovan McNabb on the day of the draft (depite the fact that he is the only player picked in the top five picks who is still with the same team). The entire team bailed on McNabb for losing it in the huddle, for not standing up to T.O. They whine constantly about the playcalling.

The fans? Please. Let's see what Jabar says when he is locked down at the line of scrimmage in a preseason game and he gets booed.

The organization? $22 million under the cap, cut the premier wide receiver in the NFL for sniping at coaches and management. Despite that, Jabar gets a one year, getting acquainted deal and he lauds the franchise? He is a disposable body for the Eagles this year. It is a wait and see attitude for them and very low risk.

I am not going to rip Jabar and I don't mean to. But his comments about painting this rosey picture of bliss in the City of Brotherly Love is a bit overdone. I live outside this city... believe me! It ain't Shangra La!
 
coachdent said:
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
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Apparently, Jabar just got to Philadelphia. Because he is living the life of the honeymoon. Philadelphia close knit? You think the folks in Houston are tough on David Carr? This city booed Donovan McNabb on the day of the draft (depite the fact that he is the only player picked in the top five picks who is still with the same team). The entire team bailed on McNabb for losing it in the huddle, for not standing up to T.O. They whine constantly about the playcalling.

The fans? Please. Let's see what Jabar says when he is locked down at the line of scrimmage in a preseason game and he gets booed.

The organization? $22 million under the cap, cut the premier wide receiver in the NFL for sniping at coaches and management. Despite that, Jabar gets a one year, getting acquainted deal and he lauds the franchise? He is a disposable body for the Eagles this year. It is a wait and see attitude for them and very low risk.

I am not going to rip Jabar and I don't mean to. But his comments about painting this rosey picture of bliss in the City of Brotherly Love is a bit overdone. I live outside this city... believe me! It ain't Shangra La!
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Well what do you expect, for him to just get signed and start immediately ripping on the team/city/fans? It's protocol for an athlete to praise his new team because they want to be accepted into the organization.
 
Bamboo said:
i expect more. that will not happen when a QB like Vince Young is at the helm. they won't say things like this.

i pray the Texans step up.
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Bamboo...you need to stay on topic please. Not every thread is a VY thread.

Fredo was off-topic all the time and he got a boat ride.
 
big homey said:
Well what do you expect, for him to just get signed and start immediately ripping on the team/city/fans? It's protocol for an athlete to praise his new team because they want to be accepted into the organization.
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Obviously I don't think anyone is going to start ripping on his new city. But Jabar was fairly well liked in Houston despite less than sterling production. I would have expected him to carry himself a little higher and not speak so critically of the Houston locker room. It is hypocritical to compare the Eagles locker room to the Texans after having just signed on the dotted line. He looks at the years he was in Houston and compares them to the afternoon he had in the locker room of the Eagles in March? That's a bit overboard.

My point was that there is a thing called class and you don't take shots at your former employer if you are a clasy guy. It was gratuitous and not needed. My point to Jabar is that he has not seen the dark side of Philly. When he does, he will be changing his tune quite quickly. Perhaps in 2007 will be picking him up as free agent when Philly does not offer him another deal.
 
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/ after viewing this interview tape, titled 'one on one with Jabar Gaffney', I have to say this is cheap jounalism at its finest form of slime. The interview left it wide open for Gaffney to slam the Texans and Gaffney's reply was "I ain't going to bust on teammates". Watch it yourself or take the short version and fast forward it to the time of about 2:40 and just listen. Gaffney showed class in taking the wide open opportunity in direct questioning by the interviewer and airing out what exactly he was frustrated at with the Texans. He didn't.

But hey, Sensationalism sells right? Who cares if it is truthfull or just a vicious slant by a journalist, right?
 
Gr8 find, thegr8fan. Gaffney has class and I hope he does well. Jabar's previous comments were overblown.
 
coachdent said:
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
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Apparently, Jabar just got to Philadelphia. Because he is living the life of the honeymoon. Philadelphia close knit? You think the folks in Houston are tough on David Carr? This city booed Donovan McNabb on the day of the draft (depite the fact that he is the only player picked in the top five picks who is still with the same team). The entire team bailed on McNabb for losing it in the huddle, for not standing up to T.O. They whine constantly about the playcalling.

The fans? Please. Let's see what Jabar says when he is locked down at the line of scrimmage in a preseason game and he gets booed.

The organization? $22 million under the cap, cut the premier wide receiver in the NFL for sniping at coaches and management. Despite that, Jabar gets a one year, getting acquainted deal and he lauds the franchise? He is a disposable body for the Eagles this year. It is a wait and see attitude for them and very low risk.

I am not going to rip Jabar and I don't mean to. But his comments about painting this rosey picture of bliss in the City of Brotherly Love is a bit overdone. I live outside this city... believe me! It ain't Shangra La!
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You're barking up the wrong tree. I am nothing like your representation and I will be the first to admit that the fans of the Philadelphia Eagles are the most passionate fans in the NFL. Never believe that the booing you hear has anything to do with a lack of loyalty to OUR Eagles. You might live outside this city but you should look around and see what's going on.:ok:
 
Vinny said:
Bamboo...you need to stay on topic please. Not every thread is a VY thread.

Fredo was off-topic all the time and he got a boat ride.
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Good find, thegr8fan! :thumbup

It definitely puts this whole thing in perspective. I didn't read anything into his comments, and my instincts were right to just take it in stride. Gaff had no desire to fling mud, and I respect him for it. Hope he has a great career in Philly, and has his best games against the Cowpokes.
 
SESupergenius said:
REally? How? I don't think he said anything to warrant "classless". Most of the guys have been all class (bar P Buc).
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If you don't have anything good to say, it's best not to say anything.
 
We're always wanting these guys to avoid the cliches' but when they speak their minds we ripp 'em.
Can't have it both ways.

The guy's excited, probably got a lil' more $$, and he's reunited with a family member, and he's with a team that has been to the playoffs/Conference Champioship/Super Bowl several times in the past 5 years. I'd/you'd probably say something a little off cuff too.
 
HARRYJ said:
You're barking up the wrong tree. I am nothing like your representation and I will be the first to admit that the fans of the Philadelphia Eagles are the most passionate fans in the NFL. Never believe that the booing you hear has anything to do with a lack of loyalty to OUR Eagles. You might live outside this city but you should look around and see what's going on.:ok:
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My thread has never been about disparaging Gaffney. My beef is the analogy that Jabar made between Philly and Houston. I was just pointing out that he needs to exercise a bit of caution into what he is getting into.

I see what's going on in Philadelphia quite well. The "loyalty" you speak of manifests itself in less savory forms of expression that some... many... might view as being slightly irreverant, slightly over-the-top, slightly prone to overexaggerate.

I hope they treat Jabar well. I hope he does well. I know how Philly treats those who do not live up to expectations. Candy coat it any way you wish, Philly is a reactionary town that often reacts and overeacts to this that and the other thing!
 
Obviously Gaffney's quotes in question didn't come from the interview in the Eagles media vault. Journalists may make up stories but they can't make up such specific quotes and get away with it. What Jabar said about facilites, real organization, his frustraton, etc., were very specific quotes attributed to him, (and again, obviously from a different interview) and are included in another part of the Eagles website:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eaglesQuotesDetail.jsp?id=46095
 
aj. said:
Obviously Gaffney's quotes in question didn't come from the interview in the Eagles media vault. Journalists may make up stories but they can't make up such specific quotes and get away with it. What Jabar said about facilites, real organization, his frustraton, etc., were very specific quotes attributed to him, (and again, obviously from a different interview) and are included in another part of the Eagles website:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eaglesQuotesDetail.jsp?id=46095
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I've not seen a finer facility than reliant...... I guess it's subjective. I'm not holding that against him. We all know our organization was a joke.... Coaching, I think we can all agree on, and CC & company has his little "fan" section.... so... idon't see what the big deal is.
 
Vinny said:
and that comes out to nearly 100 catches a year (18 catches in 3 games). Also, you say he only had one td but Andre Johnson had 2 TD's the entire year (best year has been 6), and that's a bit longer than a 3 game span. I think that we are looking at the wrong people in the QB-WR equation when we point to the failure in this offense.
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You can add yards per catch to those less than par numbers as well. You may be right that maybe Gaffney is not the one to turn to for fault, I fault everyone on this offense however. Not just last season, but seasons before that, Gaffney never made me go "oooooh" on too many particular plays. He was more of a technique guy that when he had to create plays just couldn't do it.
 
Gaffney was a perfect number 2 guy. He was solid, went over the middle, could work deep enough, and get you first downs. He was a guy that if you threw at him 80 times a year he is likely to have 65-70 catches. Vinny is right look for Gaff all things considered to have a big year and be a favorite target of McNabb.
 
SESupergenius said:
He signed for squat. We must really not think a lot of him to get him go for that. I wonder if the Texans gave him a lesser offer or Gaffney gave them a chance to match or better it.
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More like he was so feedup with the Texans and wanted to play for Philly. There was some indication of that. Money may not have been the issue within reason.
 
Gaffney left? What did he have to say about his experience with the Texans?:deadhorse

That happens to be the first time I had to bring the horse out.
 
If Gaffney had the same numbers(especially those first downs) on a different team, a team with a winning record, He'd have been rated as high as Givens.. I can't believe he went for less than $1mill, and I can't believe he took less than $1mil for only one year........ he must have really wanted to get out of Houston.

I can understand some of the attitudes of some fans who are less than thrilled with how the FO has a dressed the OL, I wouldn't think it was too far of a stretch, if Gaff felt the same way.
 
thegr8fan said:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/ after viewing this interview tape, titled 'one on one with Jabar Gaffney', I have to say this is cheap jounalism at its finest form of slime. The interview left it wide open for Gaffney to slam the Texans and Gaffney's reply was "I ain't going to bust on teammates". Watch it yourself or take the short version and fast forward it to the time of about 2:40 and just listen. Gaffney showed class in taking the wide open opportunity in direct questioning by the interviewer and airing out what exactly he was frustrated at with the Texans. He didn't.

But hey, Sensationalism sells right? Who cares if it is truthfull or just a vicious slant by a journalist, right?
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gr8fan:

I have listened to the interview that you referenced. That is not the interview I was referring to. You are correct that Jabar is right on and fine in the interview. Nothing blown out of proportion and the interviewer wasn't sensationalizing anything... No problem.

This is the quote I was referring to:

"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."


I was merely trying to point out that the idea of the Eagles being "close knit" is a bit of a stretch. I was hastening a word of caution to Jabar to be careful about what you think to be the case. I would also say that there aren't too many close knit 2-14 teams anywhere in the country! So he was really comparing apples and oranges. That's all. Didn't wish ill on him. Don't want him burned at the stake. Just poiting out a bit of an exaggeration on his part that he may have jumped the gun on. Ok? Go Texans!:redtowel:
 
coachdent said:
My thread has never been about disparaging Gaffney. My beef is the analogy that Jabar made between Philly and Houston. I was just pointing out that he needs to exercise a bit of caution into what he is getting into.

I see what's going on in Philadelphia quite well. The "loyalty" you speak of manifests itself in less savory forms of expression that some... many... might view as being slightly irreverant, slightly over-the-top, slightly prone to overexaggerate.

I hope they treat Jabar well. I hope he does well. I know how Philly treats those who do not live up to expectations. Candy coat it any way you wish, Philly is a reactionary town that often reacts and overeacts to this that and the other thing!
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OK, joker, you win, just keep cheering for the Texans, we don't need ya!:homer:
 
thunderkyss said:
If Gaffney had the same numbers(especially those first downs) on a different team, a team with a winning record, He'd have been rated as high as Givens.. I can't believe he went for less than $1mill, and I can't believe he took less than $1mil for only one year........
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Gaffney is another example of the organization's incompetence with regards to picking and developing talent. Givens was picked 220 spots after Gaffney in 2002 and now they're not even in the same class.
 
Lol, you guys should look up some quotes that a Linebacker named Antonio Pierce has said since hes left the Redskins....Its almost gotten to the point where I wanna beat the Giants just becuase of him than the actuall record or division win.
 
actually coachdent, my remarks were targeted more at John McLame and his choice to take Gaffney's remarks and view them in a pessimistic, negative inflection tone of voice. I am pretty sure McLame wasn't sitting there for Gaffney's interview that he quoted from. I read aj's link and I still don't see the negative slamming of Houston so much as I see Gaffney rah-rah-rah-ing the Eagles and his new team. In listening to a net recording of what appears to be a different interview and Gaffney's tone of voice, choice of words, during that interview, it makes it even harder to believe McLame's slant of Gaffney tearing apart Houston's team/organization.

and just some FYI, I have lived in Philly back in the early 90's for a short time. I still remember the Philly's making a run at the World Series and their closer pitcher Mitch Williams messing up and giving away a couple of games by not being to close them out and walking the winning runners on base. The local sports fanatics threatened the guy with a couple of broken legs for it, and those were the mild threats. :shocked I have no illusions of 'the city of brotherly love' passion for their sports teams and their equal passion for tearing a player apart :dangit: who flops in his choosen sport. On that point I fully understand your post and agree with it.
 
ClintonPortis26 said:
Lol, you guys should look up some quotes that a Linebacker named Antonio Pierce has said since hes left the Redskins....Its almost gotten to the point where I wanna beat the Giants just becuase of him than the actuall record or division win.
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I know, I can't believe this thread is 6 pages long, What gaffney said wasn't spiteful at all, he was just telling the truth.
 
thunderkyss said:
David didn't have a chance to throw the ball, and when he did they didn't have time to run their routes..
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It all starts with the line. The QB can't do his job without the line and neither can the receivers. You can run a sub 4.2 forty and it wouldn't do you any good because the QB is lying on his back before you get a chance to run your route.
 
thegr8fan said:
actually coachdent, my remarks were targeted more at John McLame and his choice to take Gaffney's remarks and view them in a pessimistic, negative inflection tone of voice. I am pretty sure McLame wasn't sitting there for Gaffney's interview that he quoted from. I read aj's link and I still don't see the negative slamming of Houston so much as I see Gaffney rah-rah-rah-ing the Eagles and his new team. In listening to a net recording of what appears to be a different interview and Gaffney's tone of voice, choice of words, during that interview, it makes it even harder to believe McLame's slant of Gaffney tearing apart Houston's team/organization.

and just some FYI, I have lived in Philly back in the early 90's for a short time. I still remember the Philly's making a run at the World Series and their closer pitcher Mitch Williams messing up and giving away a couple of games by not being to close them out and walking the winning runners on base. The local sports fanatics threatened the guy with a couple of broken legs for it, and those were the mild threats. :shocked I have no illusions of 'the city of brotherly love' passion for their sports teams and their equal passion for tearing a player apart :dangit: who flops in his choosen sport. On that point I fully understand your post and agree with it.
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I know people that know where you live.:boxing:
 
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